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whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:47 PM Jan 2015

"...and with TPP, you can keep your job if you like your job..." the middle class is probably just

numb to it all because TPP is a riot worthy plan to move the last bit of wealth from the middle class to corporate CEOs.

Every last penny we earn will be taken from us and given to Asia.

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"...and with TPP, you can keep your job if you like your job..." the middle class is probably just (Original Post) whereisjustice Jan 2015 OP
Yeah...that's Presiden't Obama's diabolical plan.....this speech just screams that out at ya! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #1
I must have missed that part... NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #2
Yeah, I must have missed it, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #5
He addressed it before a couple of years ago....but, his position hasn't changed. KoKo Jan 2015 #8
Yes, I noticed this too... TheProgressive Jan 2015 #3
Obama is telling us how great it will feel having corporations slit our throats like livestock whereisjustice Jan 2015 #4
It's time to look at the world the way it is and not like it was in 1920. CK_John Jan 2015 #13
As Bernie Sanders has said: dflprincess Jan 2015 #7
+1... KoKo Jan 2015 #10
""Free trade' is disastrous to Americans ..." Why is it not 'disastrous' for Germans, Swedes, etc.? pampango Jan 2015 #15
If we all hate the TPP, then do something about it, and call your reps and senators tomorrow. StopTheTPP Jan 2015 #6
Have already done so....and thanks for encouraging others.... KoKo Jan 2015 #9
At the very least... Oilwellian Jan 2015 #11
Isolationists will never run this nation. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #12
Riiiiggghht! Neither will erectors of strawmen that use cliches to push right wing 3rd-way BS Populist_Prole Jan 2015 #14
RW group: “Now essentially, with Obamatrade, he’s saying, if you like your job, you can keep it.” pampango Jan 2015 #16

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
8. He addressed it before a couple of years ago....but, his position hasn't changed.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:37 PM
Jan 2015

SOTU, TPP, TAFTA -- WTF?

This is from the last SOTU ....but, even more relevant since Obama wants to set up FAST TRACK to ram through the TPP as soon as he finishes tonight's speech.
Note the Date....imagine some trade numbers have changed...but, not by much since Business News Sites are concerned about our trade deficit going up last year...but nothing has changed about TPP that he is supposedly going to immediately push for "Fast Track Authority" with this new Congress.
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SOTU, TPP, TAFTA -- WTF?
Posted: 02/13/2013 1:52 pm EST Updated: 04/15/2013 5:12 am EDT


"Public Citizen" Lori Wallach Explains.....

Did you notice the two rabid skunks President Obama unleashed at the State of the Union picnic?

Creating American jobs! Rebuilding American manufacturing! Boosting American exports! Promoting innovation! Ensuring strong health and environmental protections! Completing an 11-nation NAFTA-style "free trade" agreement (FTA) called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) - aka NAFTA with Vietnam? Launch of "free trade" negotiations with Europe long-demanded by multinational corporations to eliminate vital consumer protections - the Trans-Atlantic Free Trade Agreement (TAFTA)?

Two of these things are not like the others. Indeed, TPP and TAFTA would gut many of the most worthy goals included in Obama's SOTU address if the American public and Congress let them come to fruition.

Says who? Well, the official U.S. government trade and employment data, to start with. Since the implementation of our existing FTAs, more than 60,000 U.S. manufacturing facilities have been shuttered and we have lost five million manufacturing jobs - fully one quarter of America's manufacturing jobs prior to the agreements' implementation. Like TPP, these past pacts include investment rules that actually incentivize the offshoring of American jobs.

And, U.S. export growth to countries that are not FTA partners has exceeded U.S. export growth to countries that are FTA partners by 38 percent over the last decade. The aggregate U.S. trade deficit with FTA partners has increased by more than $144 billion (inflation-adjusted) since the FTAs were implemented. In contrast, the aggregate deficit with all non-FTA countries has decreased by more than $55 billion since 2006 (the median entry date of existing FTAs). Even using the Obama administration's net exports-to-jobs ratio and excluding China trade, the FTA trade deficit surge alone implies the loss of nearly one million American jobs. So, let's do more of the same NAFTA-style pacts, but this time with Vietnam, the low-wage offshoring alternative to China.


Maybe the TPP and TAFTA touting is just pure cynicism. For instance, note that the president did not reiterate his 2010 State of the Union goal of doubling U.S. exports in five years by passing more "free trade" agreements. With two years left, the United States should be 60 percent of the way toward achieving this goal. Instead, the U.S. International Trade Commission annual 2012 trade data released this weekend show that under the sluggish 2012 export growth rate of two percent, we will not achieve the president's goal until 2032.

And, the FTAs that Obama touted in last year's State of the Union address have not created the promised industrial jobs. Rather, U.S. government trade flow data tracking the initial outcomes of FTAs with Korea, Colombia and Panama, which took effect in 2012, show that combined U.S. exports to the three countries during the months of FTA implementation fell four percent relative to the same months of 2011. U.S. goods exports to Korea plummeted by 10 percent and the U.S. trade deficit with Korea grew 26 percent. That equates to thousands of lost U.S. jobs just in the first year of that latest batch of more-of-the-same NAFTA-style deals.

Indeed, the annual U.S. trade deficit in goods excluding oil rose six percent in 2012 to $628 billion, the largest non-oil U.S. trade deficit in the last five years. The U.S. trade deficit with China (even with oil included) broke all past records, topping $321 billion. That Obama more-of-the-same trade agenda is working so well, why not more of the same...

But there's more!

While TPP negotiations have been conducted in extreme secrecy for three years, some texts have leaked, including the intellectual property chapter. It contains extreme SOPA-style copyright enforcement terms that would undermine Internet freedom and innovation. Says who? The Electronic Frontier Foundation and some of Congress' most reliable pro-"free-trade" voters from House Oversight Committee Chair Darrell Issa (R-Cal.) to Senate Trade Subcommittee Chair Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) to Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Cal.).

And, that Trans-Atlantic FTA? That's the pet project of the Trans-Atlantic Business Dialogue a club of financial, agribusiness, pharmaceutical, chemical and other U.S. and European multinationals. TAFTA's focus would not be trade per se - border taxes (tariffs) are already low. Rather, these talks are aimed at eliminating a list of what multinational corporations call "trade irritants" but the rest of us know as strong food safety, environmental and health safeguards.

The target list? The strongest consumer and environmental policies on either side of the Atlantic. U.S. firms want Europe to gut their superior chemical regulation regime, their tougher food safety rules and labeling of genetically modified foods and their tougher climate policies. European firms are targeting aspects of the U.S. financial reregulation regime, our stronger drug and medical device safety and testing standards and more.ger drug and medical device safety and testing standards and more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/sotu-tpp-tafta-wtf_b_2678523.html

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
3. Yes, I noticed this too...
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:52 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:26 PM - Edit history (1)

And, everyone clapped.

"Free trade' is disastrous to Americans - but wonderful to Wall Street and corporations.

Our government is not 'for the people' - they could care less about us.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
4. Obama is telling us how great it will feel having corporations slit our throats like livestock
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jan 2015

at the butcher shop.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
7. As Bernie Sanders has said:
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jan 2015

"It is incomprehensible to me that the leaders of major corporate interests who stand to gain enormous financial benefits from this agreement are actively involved in the writing of the TPP while, at the same time, the elected officials of this country, representing the American people, have little or no knowledge as to what is in it"

pampango

(24,692 posts)
15. ""Free trade' is disastrous to Americans ..." Why is it not 'disastrous' for Germans, Swedes, etc.?
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jan 2015

Is it because the 'free trade' part is different? Or because there is something more fundamental about American society compared to German or Swedish society?

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
11. At the very least...
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:04 AM
Jan 2015

call your congressman and ask that he not give Obama Fast Track authority. I know my republican congressman will be getting calls from both sides of the aisle. This is one issue both republicans and democrats agree on. I find it hard to believe a republican congress will give him fast track authority. If they do, it will be a clear indication of how much control the PTB have.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
14. Riiiiggghht! Neither will erectors of strawmen that use cliches to push right wing 3rd-way BS
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:41 AM
Jan 2015

Get over that.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
16. RW group: “Now essentially, with Obamatrade, he’s saying, if you like your job, you can keep it.”
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jan 2015
“The President said, if you like your health insurance, you can keep it,” says Curtis Ellis of the American Jobs Alliance, a small conservative group based in Virginia that opposes the outsourcing of U.S. jobs overseas. “Now essentially, with Obamatrade, he’s saying, if you like your job, you can keep it.”

If “Obamatrade” catches on as a right-wing rallying cry against the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)—a trade agreement covering the Pacific Rim economies of Australia, Japan, Malaysia, among others—it will probably have something to do with a sparsely attended press conference on Tuesday in the House Science Committee hearing room. That’s where the American Jobs Alliance and the United States Business and Industry Council—pro-business groups wary of trade’s impact on America’s national interests—joined with Tea Party Nation and the socially conservative Eagle Forum to rail against the TPP and President Obama’s support for “fast-tracking” the measure. The legislative procedure would prevent Congress from amending the agreement once it’s completed by international negotiators. Without fast-track, Congress is considered unlikely to approve the deal in its current form.

The complete piece is at: http://inthesetimes.com/article/16196/rightwing_coalition_opposes_tpp_calling_it_obamatrade/
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