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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe DEMOCRATS are Lucy continually yanking the football away
"Democrats started endorsing a progressive economic platform just as soon as they lost Congress."
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/pat-garofalo/2015/01/15/are-dems-trolling-the-left-with-paid-sick-leave-transactions-tax-push
Now, a charitable reading of the situation is that the Democrats have acknowledged their shortcomings when it comes to economic policy and messaging. The travesty of the 2014 election was that, while electing Republicans almost across the board, voters endorsed economic policies, such as increasing the minimum wage, that are much more closely associated with the Democrats. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren is ably showing that there's a hunger for economic populism, and that it can translate into a message that's broadly appealing...
A less charitable reading, though, is that the Democrats are seizing on the opportunity to be progressive at a moment when it's cheap and easy; being out of power (or in Obama's case, term-limited) they won't have to pay the price in campaign dollars or blowback that would come from pursuing these policies in an environment in which they could actually become law. After all, when Democrats controlled all of Congress and the presidency, it's not like they made a move on paid sick leave or a financial transactions tax or any of a host of other ideas that would have helped out the middle class. (Which isn't to diminish the very real accomplishments of that Congress.) Now they can stoke the fire and garner the goodwill of the left, without having to deal with the downside.
on point
(2,506 posts)Can't act when in power, but all talk when they can't actually do anything
Nothing but a con
Munificence
(493 posts)The minimum wage thing is beat like a dead horse when we are not in power and we've been doing it since the 70's....gets old after awhile.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)That's just super, Scoobie.
I can't imagine how proud you must feel about yourself.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)Fantastic Scooter!!!11
Scuba
(53,475 posts)But, heres a key piece of information: the Kochs havent just given to right-wingers. Back in April of 2001, The American Prospects Bob Dreyfuss reported that the Kochs also funded the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC):
And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLCs executive council, including Aetna, AT&T;, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLCs executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectivelymeaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.
The DLC board of trustees is an elite body whose membership is reserved for major donors, and many of the trustees are financial wheeler-dealers who run investment companies and capital management firmsthough senior executives from a handful of corporations, such as Koch, Aetna, and Coca-Cola, are included.
And the latest incarnation ...
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)the now utterly predictable corporate propaganda denials notwithstanding.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)That we have united, bipartisan corporate oligarchy now, and our democracy has been stolen from us. That our problem is not merely Republicans, but a deep, pervasive, corporate, monied corruption infesting both parties and all three branches of government. And that we need deep, fundamental change - corporate money and power out of Washington - in order to fix it.
Now that the R's hold the majority, corporate-purchased neoliberal Democrats can again ostentatiously lie to our faces and pretend to support all the policies they insulted Americans for wanting for the past six years, dismissing them as as fringe, extremist, pony dreams.
But make no mistake what the plan really is. The same predatory agenda as before is headed right toward us, orchestrated and approved by both corporate parties: Predatory, antidemocratic, job-strangling "trade" agreements, endless MIC war for profit, police/surveillance state.
Bipartisan.
All wrapped up in pretty progressive-sounding words that are finally safe for our neoliberal president to say out loud, now that Republicans hold a majority. The DCCC campaign of "Accept Doom" for midterms went exactly as the oligarchy planned.
Neoliberals and neoconservatives are going to shove this "free trade" garbage into every American orifice, laughing all the way to the bank. And they'll use that money siphoned from our pockets to hire more mocking propagandists to lie to us and tell us our democracy is still functional, corporate Democrats have our back, and the chocolate ration will increased yet again if we just support corporate Democrats hard enough.
They want us to forget that we finally saw the truth with our own eyes: that we have United Oligarchy, not gridlocked democracy.
They want us to forget the need for radical, fundamental change to address the deep, systemic, bipartisan corporate corruption of our democracy - the need for corporate money and power out of Washington - and instead sink back into the delusional world of propaganda they have constructed for us, in which our only real problem is that Republicans are in power again...
...and we just have to vote a little harder to get the corporate Democrats back in.
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Munificence
(493 posts)response deserves it's own thread and part of me wishes you'd do it. Yet another part of me does not want to see you banned for doing it!
I'm at the point where I have no place to really turn politically, guess I could re-label myself an independent and ride the fence and vote for the ones that actually wanted to represent some human interests....this "pretend" shit for vote getting is in itself getting old.
I guess I could say that I am going through a "Forced political evolution". "We the people" mean very little to the politicians.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Some of them probably fall under each possible choice.
Sadly, my cynical side says that a large number of them will fall silent again on such issues if they do regain control of either chamber, or simply as they get closer to their own next election.
We can see on DU that such a lesson is never learned. Shellacking after shellacking, those who blame 'the left' continue to do so afterwards, rather than acknowledging that the ever rightward drift is what loses elections for Democrats.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)How could pursuing this tact NOT effect corporate campaign dollars, whether in power or not?
Secondly, what recent environment could any of President Obama Obama's initiative have actually become law?
No ... What is occurring here is the table being set for the 2016 election cycle ... that began earlier this month.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)And it's a damn good one.
Not sure how some are too dense to realize this.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)And it wasn't Einstein who said it, despite the most common iteration of the meme.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)In practical terms and outcomes it works out the same though so who cares?
Or are you here today to argue the merits of doing the same thing over and over with the (supposed) expectations of different outcomes?
Orrex
(63,213 posts)If it's "Obama keeps expecting Republicans to compromise," then that's a mighty broad range of possibilities with myriad variables affecting the outcome.
If it's "Obama keeps trying to pass a specific bill that he knows Republicans won't pass," then it would have fewer variables and would be stupid expectation, but I'd want to know which bill we're talking about.
In short, if we're willing to cast a vague and wide net in hope of catching a gotcha moment, then we can indeed tout that tired old observation as if it's insightful. Otherwise, it's simply a trite and overused meme with little real value in practice.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)The expectation of those greedy and wicked warmongering, bigoted fucks substantially "compromising" on anything beneficial is fucking stupid.
Proof is in the pudding not rhetorical games. The pudding tastes like dogshit.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Those magical ponies they scolded us for expecting in 2009 are now acceptable topics for discussion among the Very Serious People.
All we have to do is make sure we get the house and senate back in Democratic hands and they'll be like a pit bull on the leg of the oligarchy THIS time!
No, our current leadership has lost their credibility. If they really want an agenda that includes economic populism they'll step aside and let new leaders take their places.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)... When the other guys are in power, and nothing you propose to gin up the base is in any danger of becoming law.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Pretty populist lies masking a corporate agenda. Oligarchy Theater for the masses.
Mass spying on Americans? Both parties support it.
Handing the internet to corporations? Both parties support it.
Austerity for the masses? Both parties support it.
Cutting social safety nets? Both parties support it.
Corporatists in the cabinet? Both parties support it.
Tolling our interstate highways? Both parties support it.
Corporate education policy? Both parties support it.
Bank bailouts? Both parties support it.
Ignoring the trillions stashed overseas? Both parties support it.
Trans-Pacific Job/Wage Killing Secret Agreement? Both parties support it.
TISA corporate overlord agreement? Both parties support it.
Drilling and fracking? Both parties support it.
Wars on medical marijuana instead of corrupt banks? Both parties support it.
Deregulation of the food industry? Both parties support it.
GMO's? Both parties support it.
Privatization of the TVA? Both parties support it.
Immunity for telecoms? Both parties support it.
"Looking forward" and letting war criminals off the hook? Both parties support it.
Deciding torturers are patriots? Both parties support it.
Militarized police and assaults on protesters? Both parties support it.
Indefinite detention? Both parties support it.
Drone wars and kill lists? Both parties support it.
Targeting of journalists and whistleblowers? Both parties support it.
Private prisons replacing public prisons? Both parties support it.
Unions? Both parties view them with contempt.
Trillion dollar increase in nuclear weapons. Both parties support it.
New war in Iraq. Both parties support it.
New war in Syria. Both parties support it.
Carpet bombing of captive population in Gaza. Both parties support it.