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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 12:17 PM Jan 2015

American Sniper makes Tarantino’s over-the-top movie our sad reality

I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed this about American Sniper, which is breaking box office records as wingnut America wallows in their violent fantasies.

Seth Rogan:
American Sniper kind of reminds me of the movie that's showing in the third act of Inglorious Basterds.


American Sniper is about Chris Kyle, who has been deemed a hero because he’s really efficient at killing, claiming 255 kills of other human beings, 160 of which the Department of Defense has confirmed. This movie is about how being so great at killing makes him a hero.

Stolz der Nation (The Nation’s Pride) is about Fredrick Zoller, who is deemed by the Nazi government a hero because he’s really efficient at killing, claiming 250 kills, mostly of American and British soldiers on the Western front. This movie is about how being so great at killing makes him a hero.
Unlike Chris Kyle, however, Fredrick Zoller is a fictional character. He is, however, loosely based on Matthias Hetzenauer, an Austrian sniper whose kill count dwarfs Kyle’s at a whopping 345 kills, mostly of Russian soldiers, all before his 21st birthday. Hetzenauer was awarded the Iron Cross for his killing spree, deemed heroic by his nation, just as Kyle’s is deemed heroic by ours.

Unlike American Sniper, you can watch the entirety of Stolz der Nation online, if you wish. It’s only about 6 minutes long, making it a lot easier to take than American Sniper.

...conservatives are such babies in our modern era that they feel entitled to denounce you for stating the obvious. Country musician Craig Morgan complained that Rogen’s tweet was “inaccurate and insensitive”, even though he did not explain how it was inaccurate nor did he explain why the sensitivities of American conservatives need special protection from stating the obvious. Kid Rock, furious at even a whiff of a suggestion that perhaps there’s untoward urges underlining the popularity of this movie, said he hopes Rogen “catches a fist in the face soon”. That’ll show those people who are worried that conservatives just love thoughtless violence! The Daily Caller denounced Rogen’s tweet as “offensive” without detailing exactly what they feel Rogen got wrong. Breitbart, unwilling to explain how American Sniper is different from Stolz der Nation, called Rogen “grossly overweight” and said he wasn’t “familiar with the grueling regimen Cooper endured. It is worth pointing out that Rogen is equally unfamiliar with sitting in a tower sniping Allied forces. If Rogen’s unfamiliarity with something is proof that it is awesome, then I feel that Breitbart should really be consistent about this.

It’s just really interesting how zero conservatives I’ve seen can really explain why they think there’s this big difference. I mean, if you believe it, you should be able to explain it. It’s not necessarily self-evident. The point of the short film in Tarantino’s movie wasn’t just “Nazis bad”. He was actually calling into question the way that films that celebrate war as inherently glorious and heroic encourage, no duh, nations to go to war. The fact that it’s hard to tell fascist propaganda from American nationalist propaganda shouldn’t offend you. It should concern you. If we are going to say we’re better than that, we should actually start fucking acting like it, I’d say.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/american-sniper-makes-tarantinos-over-the-top-movie-our-sad-reality/

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American Sniper makes Tarantino’s over-the-top movie our sad reality (Original Post) phantom power Jan 2015 OP
A ton more then Tea Partiers are seeing this movie yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #1
Oh but dont you hate the arts? Long Drive Jan 2015 #5
Conservative art is great, don't you know. Kingofalldems Jan 2015 #10
Of course it is Long Drive Jan 2015 #12
So you are not fooled I see. Good. Kingofalldems Jan 2015 #13
Two different subjects. yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #15
Expert on the arts? Long Drive Jan 2015 #16
I'll wait until you have a 100 posts first at least yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #17
That would be you're not your Long Drive Jan 2015 #18
Why thank you. yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #19
Already do Long Drive Jan 2015 #20
Yes, it is very popular phantom power Jan 2015 #6
They couldn't pay me to see American Sniper. sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #2
Pulp free reality seveneyes Jan 2015 #3
My friends are paying to see it. I'm waiting on Netflix. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #4
Seth's on the money, as usual. It is interesting to see his right wing detractors use the same Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #7
Yeah "lulz ur fat" is like "I'm not even pretending to have an argument" phantom power Jan 2015 #8
Wow, I would have never made that connection but it's dead on. Initech Jan 2015 #9
Republican coward chicken hawks are loving this movie. Kingofalldems Jan 2015 #11
It is War-Porn written by a lying psychopath, directed by a guy who talks to empty chairs... AzDar Jan 2015 #14
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. A ton more then Tea Partiers are seeing this movie
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jan 2015

It has made 110 million in 4 days. Please don't say we have that many crazies in the United States. We don't. Everyone is flocking to the film.

 

Long Drive

(105 posts)
5. Oh but dont you hate the arts?
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jan 2015

You know your post where your drawer was full of funky unnecessary art projects from your kids. Now you are an expert on art? HILARIOUS.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
17. I'll wait until you have a 100 posts first at least
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jan 2015

Your too new. Not sure if you are even a liberal yet by your posts.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
6. Yes, it is very popular
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jan 2015

Which brings us back around to the point from the OP:

The fact that it’s hard to tell fascist propaganda from American nationalist propaganda shouldn’t offend you. It should concern you.


Should we be happy, upset, or indifferent that a film having lots in common with authoritarian war propaganda films is doing so splendidly at the box office?


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. Seth's on the money, as usual. It is interesting to see his right wing detractors use the same
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jan 2015

insults so many DUers hurled at him during the period of time in which The Interview was the most offensive film ever re: some on DU. Everyone goes after his weight. Good stuff.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
8. Yeah "lulz ur fat" is like "I'm not even pretending to have an argument"
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jan 2015

Do their mothers know they're here?

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
14. It is War-Porn written by a lying psychopath, directed by a guy who talks to empty chairs...
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:27 PM
Jan 2015

Sure to be an American cinema classic!

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