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Seth Rogan:
American Sniper kind of reminds me of the movie that's showing in the third act of Inglorious Basterds.
American Sniper is about Chris Kyle, who has been deemed a hero because hes really efficient at killing, claiming 255 kills of other human beings, 160 of which the Department of Defense has confirmed. This movie is about how being so great at killing makes him a hero.
Stolz der Nation (The Nations Pride) is about Fredrick Zoller, who is deemed by the Nazi government a hero because hes really efficient at killing, claiming 250 kills, mostly of American and British soldiers on the Western front. This movie is about how being so great at killing makes him a hero. Unlike Chris Kyle, however, Fredrick Zoller is a fictional character. He is, however, loosely based on Matthias Hetzenauer, an Austrian sniper whose kill count dwarfs Kyles at a whopping 345 kills, mostly of Russian soldiers, all before his 21st birthday. Hetzenauer was awarded the Iron Cross for his killing spree, deemed heroic by his nation, just as Kyles is deemed heroic by ours.
Unlike American Sniper, you can watch the entirety of Stolz der Nation online, if you wish. Its only about 6 minutes long, making it a lot easier to take than American Sniper.
...conservatives are such babies in our modern era that they feel entitled to denounce you for stating the obvious. Country musician Craig Morgan complained that Rogens tweet was inaccurate and insensitive, even though he did not explain how it was inaccurate nor did he explain why the sensitivities of American conservatives need special protection from stating the obvious. Kid Rock, furious at even a whiff of a suggestion that perhaps theres untoward urges underlining the popularity of this movie, said he hopes Rogen catches a fist in the face soon. Thatll show those people who are worried that conservatives just love thoughtless violence! The Daily Caller denounced Rogens tweet as offensive without detailing exactly what they feel Rogen got wrong. Breitbart, unwilling to explain how American Sniper is different from Stolz der Nation, called Rogen grossly overweight and said he wasnt familiar with the grueling regimen Cooper endured. It is worth pointing out that Rogen is equally unfamiliar with sitting in a tower sniping Allied forces. If Rogens unfamiliarity with something is proof that it is awesome, then I feel that Breitbart should really be consistent about this.
Its just really interesting how zero conservatives Ive seen can really explain why they think theres this big difference. I mean, if you believe it, you should be able to explain it. Its not necessarily self-evident. The point of the short film in Tarantinos movie wasnt just Nazis bad. He was actually calling into question the way that films that celebrate war as inherently glorious and heroic encourage, no duh, nations to go to war. The fact that its hard to tell fascist propaganda from American nationalist propaganda shouldnt offend you. It should concern you. If we are going to say were better than that, we should actually start fucking acting like it, Id say.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/american-sniper-makes-tarantinos-over-the-top-movie-our-sad-reality/
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It has made 110 million in 4 days. Please don't say we have that many crazies in the United States. We don't. Everyone is flocking to the film.
Long Drive
(105 posts)You know your post where your drawer was full of funky unnecessary art projects from your kids. Now you are an expert on art? HILARIOUS.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Long Drive
(105 posts)Liberal shit is for the junk drawer.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)And yes I am an expert on the arts. Thanks for asking.
Long Drive
(105 posts)I am not asking anything, just pointing out your words. Try again.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Your too new. Not sure if you are even a liberal yet by your posts.
Long Drive
(105 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)And welcome to DU!!!! You really will love it here.
Long Drive
(105 posts)I'm sure you will be my BFF.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Which brings us back around to the point from the OP:
The fact that its hard to tell fascist propaganda from American nationalist propaganda shouldnt offend you. It should concern you.
Should we be happy, upset, or indifferent that a film having lots in common with authoritarian war propaganda films is doing so splendidly at the box office?
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)It's the friction that torments fiction.
benz380
(534 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)insults so many DUers hurled at him during the period of time in which The Interview was the most offensive film ever re: some on DU. Everyone goes after his weight. Good stuff.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Do their mothers know they're here?
Initech
(100,079 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Sure to be an American cinema classic!