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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:08 PM Jan 2015

Forget SOTU Speech. Nothing Is Going To Happen. Workers Will Still Be Flushed Down Toilet.

The next two years will result in nothing happening to help workers. With TPP and higher caps on H1b Visas you have a better chance at a job overseas than US. Our wages will continue to drop.

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Forget SOTU Speech. Nothing Is Going To Happen. Workers Will Still Be Flushed Down Toilet. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Jan 2015 OP
... BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #1
Got up on the wrong side of the bed, huh? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #2
I Am Comfortably Retired And Shouldn't Care But I Do. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2015 #6
Amen! markpkessinger Jan 2015 #14
I did not mean to offend ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #19
Do you think you could be a little more condescending? n/t markpkessinger Jan 2015 #15
. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #3
IMO the speech was intended to set the limit to what we could dare ask for. He didn't say he would Vincardog Jan 2015 #4
Cool prophecy... Exidor would be satisfied. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #5
Yes He Would. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2015 #7
Geeze dude. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #8
That's the spirit! AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #9
Refusing to cling to false hope . . . markpkessinger Jan 2015 #16
fair enough AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #21
Trade does not lower wages. FDR expanded trade. Germany has 3 times our level of trade. pampango Jan 2015 #10
So what trade deals do you see that will be helpful for average Americans? truedelphi Jan 2015 #13
Pardon me. I momentarily forgot that Obama's goal in life is "to bring nothing but misery pampango Jan 2015 #22
I liked the speech, but I agree. progressoid Jan 2015 #11
With robots stacking the shelves at Amazon and at truedelphi Jan 2015 #12
... Number23 Jan 2015 #17
The SOTU was a manifesto. Everyone knows GOP will cockblock. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #18
Little in that speech will be passed. bigwillq Jan 2015 #20
I disagree. Much of what Obama proposed will come to pass ... Scuba Jan 2015 #23
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. Got up on the wrong side of the bed, huh? ...
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jan 2015

give it time ... the sun will shine, the birds will sing, that special person will smile at you from across the room, someone will rec your OP ... something will happen to lift your mood.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
6. I Am Comfortably Retired And Shouldn't Care But I Do.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jan 2015

No kids no debt and no regret. And I have been comfortably retired since 1998. And I am tired of seeing working people screwed. It has only generally gotten worse since I left DOL. With my background it is more than obvious what is going on and where things are going.

And I became disabled last March losing a foot to a severe staph infection. Thank God we had resources and the ability to soften a life changing blow. I met so many people who did not have resources. And I was cared for by a lot of dedicated but overworked medical personnel.

I know the code and I hear the bullshit. Obama is doing what he can but he is very wrong on education & TPP. And seeing a bill raising caps on H1B visas is infuriating. The media won't report on it but Americans are being replace en masse by insourcing, outsourcing and contracting. The job market looks good on paper and is better then 2008.

From my perspective the work force is no now better off than 1900 when there were no labor laws. And deregulation is aimed at gutting virtually all labor protections gained since 1900. Trade agreements as they have been designed are meant to flatten virtually all workers to the level of working conditions in Africa.

Democrats have been on the run because they have to kind of go along because they will be buried in money. The rich like the Kochs probably spent over $1 billion to buy Congressional control if you uncovered all the secret money.

Yes I pissed because Americans are walking blindly into their own long term disaster.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
4. IMO the speech was intended to set the limit to what we could dare ask for. He didn't say he would
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jan 2015

Do anything. He could:
1) Sign an  EO requiring any Government contractors to disclose all political donations.
2) Reschedule MJ and allow research into its' real potential.
3) Announce his Justice Department will begin prosecuting Banksters and War Criminals.

He could also begin to denounce the democracy killing TTP.

Words are easy. By their actions shall you know them.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
10. Trade does not lower wages. FDR expanded trade. Germany has 3 times our level of trade.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jan 2015

Canada twice as much trade as us.

If trade was bad for workers and their wages, FDR would have restricted it, not expanded it. If trade was bad for workers, unions and the middle classes in Germany and Canada would be much worse off than ours are. That is not reality.

The next two years will result in nothing happening to help workers.

On that we agree. What progressive societies do for their workers - legal/popular support for unions, strong safety nets, high/progressive taxes and effective corporate regulation - are not even under serious discussion here.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
13. So what trade deals do you see that will be helpful for average Americans?
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jan 2015

The TPP will be bringing nothing but misery to other nations, as they find that they are forced to utilize the crappola pharmaceutical products at inflated prices, or else their governments will be sued. And at the same time, the ecological advancements, both here and abroad, will be undermined.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
22. Pardon me. I momentarily forgot that Obama's goal in life is "to bring nothing but misery
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jan 2015

to other nations, as they find that they are forced to utilize the crappola pharmaceutical products at inflated prices, or else their governments will be sued. And at the same time, the ecological advancements, both here and abroad, will be undermined."

Thanks for bringing me back to reality.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
12. With robots stacking the shelves at Amazon and at
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jan 2015

Other corporate giants, with drones replacing delivery drivers, the speech will be remembered as some pretty frosting on a shit filled cake.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Other nations have strategies in place to see to it that only so many workers can be laid off.

Nothing like that here. It would be called socialism.

And I find it interesting that the President became so filled with tremendous courage and leadership at precisely the point in time when not much can be done. The "R" majority in the House makes any ideas of any innovtion on his part rather pointless.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
20. Little in that speech will be passed.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jan 2015

And little will be done to help the starving class in the next 2 years. Government is broken. They all need to be impeached.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
23. I disagree. Much of what Obama proposed will come to pass ...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:49 AM
Jan 2015

We'll get the TPP and the ensuing harm to our workers and environment.

And we'll get the endless war. Lots and lots of it.

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