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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 01:23 PM Jan 2015

Trans-Pacific Partnership Deal Isn’t Secret-Says US Official-But Access To Text Is Highly Restricted

Trans-Pacific Partnership Deal Isn’t Secret, Says US Official, But Access To Text Is Highly Restricted

The trade rules of the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) between the U.S. and 11 Asian nations would cover nearly 40 percent of the world economy — but don’t ask what they are. Access to the text of the proposed deal is highly restricted. Nevertheless, U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman defended the Obama administration Friday at the World Economic Forum from intensifying criticism of its refusal to release the full text of the proposed TPP. …

Yet the actual text of the agreement remains under lock and key. That represents a significant break from the Bush administration, which in 2001 published the text of a proposed multinational trade agreement with Latin American nations. …

Sen. Bernie Sander’s office confirmed to International Business Times that congressional lawmakers are permitted to view the text of the agreement only in the Trade Representative’s office, without their own staff members or experts present. They are not allowed to take copies of the agreement back to Capitol Hill for deeper, independent evaluation.


http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-partnership-deal-isnt-secret-says-us-official-access-text-highly-1793274

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Trans-Pacific Partnership Deal Isn’t Secret-Says US Official-But Access To Text Is Highly Restricted (Original Post) kpete Jan 2015 OP
Supported by President Obama and Hillary Clinton. 99Forever Jan 2015 #1
un-democratic and un-American. K & R. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #2
Most international negotiations are restricted - Iran, Cuba, China, etc. n/t pampango Jan 2015 #3
Most don't have the purpose of sneaking through a corporate coup in the form of massive... Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #5
Others are about nuclear war, climate change, etc. Importance is in the eye of the beholder. n/t pampango Jan 2015 #6
That those issues are of paramount importance is not disputed. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #9
What's your point? That it's ok and we should not worry? rhett o rick Jan 2015 #13
We should worry about all these negotiations - trade, nuclear weapons, climate change, embargoes. pampango Jan 2015 #14
I could live with the secrecy, but NOT with the secrecy plus fast track. Jim Lane Jan 2015 #15
K & R &... AzDar Jan 2015 #4
It requires the highest level of corporate clearance. bluedigger Jan 2015 #7
The third way Phlem Jan 2015 #8
it's obama's treaty. he is responsible for the secrecy and content to be approved nt msongs Jan 2015 #12
yes Phlem Jan 2015 #17
Obama TPP Trade Officials Received Hefty Bonuses from Big Banks Octafish Jan 2015 #10
"Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #11
The truth of that observation is quite obvious to DUers when Republicans are in power. (n/t) Jim Lane Jan 2015 #16
"It is one of the genuine marks of servitude to have the law either concealed or precarious." bemildred Jan 2015 #18
If it was good, they'd WANT us to read it. grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #19
Does that apply to the Iranian negotiations, too? Would it have applied to the China and Cuba pampango Jan 2015 #21
Yes. It applies to all negotiations with We the People. Secrecy, ambiguity, and complexity are tools grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #22
Time for someone to leak it Hekate Jan 2015 #20
wiki's leaked bits and pieces. what's been leaked has been really, really bad. magical thyme Jan 2015 #23

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
5. Most don't have the purpose of sneaking through a corporate coup in the form of massive...
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jan 2015



.... extensions of monopoly powers in the form of intellectual property law and sovereign investor-state tribunals exempt from appeal which allow corporations to run roughshod over any pesky little governmental entity that has the audacity to attempt to fulfill constitutional duties to promote the general welfare, protect the environment, enact labor law, protect citizen safety, pass food labeling regulations, or anything else which corporations deem to negatively impact their inalienable profits.


When the founders wrote in Article 1, Section 8, "The Congress shall have Power To...promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries....", and in 1790 authorized patent protection for 14 years.


Krugman, a free trade advocate, hits the nail on the head when he observes that the TPP is NOT ABOUT TRADE but about enhancing "monopoly rents".


In the case of the TPP, the restriction of access serves to hide the nefarious provisions that proponents want to sneak through under the guise of a "trade agreement".










Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
9. That those issues are of paramount importance is not disputed.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jan 2015


The non-transparency issues with the current generation of "trade agreements" becomes of increasing importance when the negotiations are primarily about non-trade economic policy changes conferring particular benefits to the corporate interests pushing the deal.


Certainly the military-industrial complex and other special interests are a problem as well when dealing with the issues you mentioned (nuclear war, climate change, etc), and solving the problem of conflicts between special interests & the public interest will not be easy.


Yet rarely have we had a situation in which policy that would be defeated if openly debated on the merits (massive copyright/patent extensions, sovereign "investor-state tribunals" overturning environmental, labor, safety laws) is being pushed under the guise of an executive trade negotiation, which Congress is expected to pass without input or amendment.


This breaks new ground, and is a threat to what's left of democratic governance.



















 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. What's your point? That it's ok and we should not worry?
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jan 2015

We have a lot of experts explaining how dangerous this Agreement is and no one disputing those facts. Our elected representatives can't even see it.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. We should worry about all these negotiations - trade, nuclear weapons, climate change, embargoes.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jan 2015

Our elected representatives could not see the other agreements while they were being negotiated either. (It seems that Boehner would very much like to be involved in the Iranian negotiations.)

Unfortunately that is how international negotiations are conducted despite the fact that we may agree with some negotiations and disagree with others.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
15. I could live with the secrecy, but NOT with the secrecy plus fast track.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 09:28 PM
Jan 2015

First, of course, we should note that it's just the riffraff who are excluded. Big multinational corporations are not only allowed to see the drafts, they're invited to participate in the negotiations.

More to the point, though, is that a huge, complex agreement like this can't be evaluated quickly. If the administration that's proposing the agreement chooses to negotiate it in secrecy, then it must accept the consequence: Once the final proposal is released, the NGOs, academic experts, and others to whom it is new will need time to review and analyze it. They'll be starting from scratch. It's therefore unacceptable for the administration to try to ram it through on fast track.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
8. The third way
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jan 2015

running the show.

It's incredible people on DU literally want Hillary cause it's going to be more of this shit guaranteed.

the conservative Third Way fighting liberal Progressives in Democratic Party.

I say if the Third Way wins we rename the Democratic to something more appropriate like the Republican Party.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
17. yes
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 10:40 PM
Jan 2015

Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary = Third Way

All Wall Street Endorsed, why do you think bankers got off with a slap on the wrist and zero jail time. Hillary will be the same.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Obama TPP Trade Officials Received Hefty Bonuses from Big Banks
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jan 2015

BY LEE FANG
Republic Report

Officials tapped by the Obama administration to lead the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade negotiations have received multimillion dollar bonuses from CitiGroup and Bank of America, financial disclosures obtained by Republic Report show.

Stefan Selig, a Bank of America investment banker nominated to become the Under Secretary for International Trade at the Department of Commerce, received more than $9 million in bonus pay as he was nominated to join the administration in November. The bonus pay came in addition to the $5.1 million in incentive pay awarded to Selig last year.

Michael Froman, the current U.S. Trade Representative, received over $4 million as part of multiple exit payments when he left CitiGroup to join the Obama administration. Froman told Senate Finance Committee members last summer that he donated approximately 75 percent of the $2.25 million bonus he received for his work in 2008 to charity. CitiGroup also gave Froman a $2 million payment in connection to his holdings in two investment funds, which was awarded “in recognition of (Froman's) service to Citi in various capacities since 1999.”

Many large corporations with a strong incentive to influence public policy award bonuses and other incentive pay to executives if they take jobs within the government. CitiGroup, for instance, provides an executive contract that awards additional retirement pay upon leaving to take a “full time high level position with the U.S. government or regulatory body.” Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase, the Blackstone Group, Fannie Mae, Northern Trust, and Northrop Grumman are among the other firms that offer financial rewards upon retirement for government service.

CONTINUED w/Links...

http://www.republicreport.org/2014/big-banks-tpp/

Froman did donate his payday to charity. Perhaps there's pPlenty more where that came from.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. "Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jan 2015

"Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity." Lord Acton

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
18. "It is one of the genuine marks of servitude to have the law either concealed or precarious."
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 10:55 PM
Jan 2015

-- Sir Edward Coke

pampango

(24,692 posts)
21. Does that apply to the Iranian negotiations, too? Would it have applied to the China and Cuba
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:49 AM
Jan 2015

negotiations if we had been aware of them?

Is this a matter of trust rather than to open vs closed negotiations? Republicans campaigned against FDR accusing him of secret trade negotiations. I suspect most of us would have trusted him to handle them well.

Most liberals would support open negotiations all the time. If the world is not ready for that (let's say the Iranian government would not negotiate publicly) do we stop all international negotiations?

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
22. Yes. It applies to all negotiations with We the People. Secrecy, ambiguity, and complexity are tools
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:31 AM
Jan 2015

used by scumbags to rip us off, IMHO.

"The American people want to trust in our government again – we just need a government that will trust in us. And making government accountable to the people isn't just a cause of this campaign – it's been a cause of my life for two decades." - Obama
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
23. wiki's leaked bits and pieces. what's been leaked has been really, really bad.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jan 2015
https://wikileaks.org/tpp-enviro/pressrelease.html

Press release: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) - Environment Chapter

Today, 15 January 2014, WikiLeaks released the secret draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Environment Chapter and the corresponding Chairs' Report. The TPP transnational legal regime would cover 12 countries initially and encompass 40 per cent of global GDP and one-third of world trade. The Environment Chapter has long been sought by journalists and environmental groups. The released text dates from the Chief Negotiators' summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013.


https://wikileaks.org/tpp-ip2/
Updated Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) - IP Chapter (second publication)

Today, Thursday 16 October 2014, WikiLeaks released a second updated version of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the world's largest economic trade agreement that will, if it comes into force, encompass more than 40 per cent of the world's GDP. The IP Chapter covers topics from pharmaceuticals, patent registrations and copyright issues to digital rights. Experts say it will affect freedom of information, civil liberties and access to medicines globally.


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