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hatrack

(59,587 posts)
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 02:14 PM Jan 2015

Hillary Clinton, 1/21/15: "We Have Differences And You Won't Get Me To Talk About Keystone . . ."

So, Hillary Clinton was in Winnipeg and continued her commitment to non-commitment regarding Keystone Pipeline. She is definitely not a climate hawk; witness her thorough support and influence in implementing fracking globally.

Guardian UK

Clinton, a potential 2016 Democratic presidential candidate, was asked on Wednesday about US-Canadian relations during a wide-ranging question-and-answer session in Winnipeg as Congress considers approving construction of the contentious, Canada-backed project. Making her first public remarks in a month, Clinton also touched upon the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris, President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address and the debate in Congress over Iran.

“We have differences and you won’t get me to talk about Keystone because I have steadily made clear that I’m not going to express an opinion,” she said. “It is in our process and that’s where it belongs.”

If/when she is presidential nominee, what can we expect? The world needs the US to become a climate leader, there is no one else. Civilization is dependent on the next US presidential election.

EDIT

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/24/1359896/-Hillary-Clinton-You-won-t-get-me-to-talk-about-Keystone-Pipeline

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Hillary Clinton, 1/21/15: "We Have Differences And You Won't Get Me To Talk About Keystone . . ." (Original Post) hatrack Jan 2015 OP
That brand of courage is so inspiring. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #1
She thinks if she keeps her head down and doesn't do anything stupid, she can waltz rhett o rick Jan 2015 #14
The Deep State will be fine with her, or Bush, or Romney--any establishment TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #15
And when push comes to shove, the presidential candidates will be selected by the Deep State IMO. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #16
Increasingly, I believe this. We really don't get a choice. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #17
But those living in deep denial are happy as long as they can vote. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #19
If she becomes a candidate she will have to express her view on the pipeline still_one Jan 2015 #2
Yeah, but it doesn't mean she has to tell the truth about it. hedda_foil Jan 2015 #13
If "Civilization is dependent on the next US presidential election" is true, then Nay Jan 2015 #3
Exactly what I expected from HRC Phlem Jan 2015 #4
Hubby doesn't have a problem nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #5
"Vote For Me Because I'm Hillary" just doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence. nt Buns_of_Fire Jan 2015 #6
I agree. A Little Weird Jan 2015 #11
Translation: I only answer questions that I can answer with platitudes. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #7
Oh Hillary, we already know where you stand. Quit the pretend thing already, it's undignified. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #8
More evidence of the corrupting effect of money in politics and CU... Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #12
most liberal and environmentalist leader EVER. IN. HUMAN. EXISTENCE MisterP Jan 2015 #9
We know what that means PAProgressive28 Jan 2015 #10
I personally think this whole election thingy is Kabuki Theater. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #18
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. She thinks if she keeps her head down and doesn't do anything stupid, she can waltz
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jan 2015

into the WH. And with Goldman-Sachs sponsoring her it will be an uphill battle for her challengers. I wonder whose side the NSA/CIA Deep State are on. That can make a big difference.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
15. The Deep State will be fine with her, or Bush, or Romney--any establishment
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jan 2015

figure. None of them threaten the status quo in any area. Obama made gestures, but in the end, he didn't either.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
3. If "Civilization is dependent on the next US presidential election" is true, then
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jan 2015

we're totally fucked. IMO, no candidate can stop the severe dislocations and population dieoffs to come, but a truly extraordinary candidate could possibly get us ready for it by crash programs to ready our population for the problems. I don't have any expectations that that will happen, though. There's certainly no will to do what, for example, Cuba did after the Soviet Union collapsed and they were set adrift. There are too many people who think their right to drive to the grocery for a bag of Cheetos trumps the survival of human life on the planet.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
5. Hubby doesn't have a problem
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jan 2015


Bill Clinton: 'We should embrace' Keystone pipeline

"You mean all we have to do is call ourselves Democrats and we can pass Republican legislation like the Heritage Foundation insurance scam?"

"Sign me UP!"

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
11. I agree.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jan 2015

Neither does "Vote for Hillary because at least she's better than Romney/Cruz/Paul/et. al." She is better than any of them, but that doesn't mean she's the person that should lead this country. We really need some better options!

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
8. Oh Hillary, we already know where you stand. Quit the pretend thing already, it's undignified.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jan 2015



and for those who are poised to say: But That's Bill, not HIllary! Sexist!
Please.
When has she Ever publicly disagreed with hubby on an important issue that involves war or money?

and then there is this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/hillary-clintons-keystone_b_997523.html
Hillary Clinton's Keystone XL Crony Lobbyists Problem

Hillary Clinton and the State Department have the final word on whether to approve the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, unless President Obama intervenes. The influence of tar sands industry lobbyists connected to Hillary Clinton is finally getting some media attention, but there is still more to this story.

Clinton's State Department is finally complying with a FOIA request for documents, after a lawsuit filed in May by three watchdog groups over an alleged lack of transparency regarding contacts with TransCanada lobbyist Paul Elliott, a former staffer on Hillary Clinton's presidential run. Elliott has earned at least $310,000 as TransCanada Pipelines' in-house lobbyist to influence Congress and several federal agencies, including the State Department, on the Keystone XL pipeline.

However, the tar sands industry's use of former Clinton associates to lobby on the controversial project extends beyond Mr. Elliott. DeSmogBlog has uncovered seven other influencers or lobbyists with ties to Clinton and Obama who have lobbied on behalf of tar sands interests for approval of the Keystone XL pipeline.

These lobbyists are spread out over three firms, including one that was the largest single source of funds of any corporate entity to Clinton's 2008 presidential run. Included in their midst is a lobbyist with close ties to top Obama adviser David Plouffe, and a former Koch Industries operative now lobbying for the Koch-friendly Keystone XL project.


Avoid sounding like a fool and just come out and say it already. What a coward.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. More evidence of the corrupting effect of money in politics and CU...
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jan 2015

At the time Clinton was Secretary of State:

"Other sources have reported conflicts of interest between State Department officials and TransCanada, finding an unusual degree of support inside the department for the Keystone pipeline project. Some of these findings are related to people like Paul Elliott, now working at TransCanada. Elliott was a former campaign official with the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton, the current Secretary of State who is intimately involved in the approval of the Keystone XL pipeline."

http://greenliving.about.com/od/scienceandtechnology/a/Keystone-Pipeline.html

Clinton needs to take a stand.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
9. most liberal and environmentalist leader EVER. IN. HUMAN. EXISTENCE
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jan 2015

(whoops, looks like a frontpage headline from 2018 made it through the time rift above the computer)

PAProgressive28

(270 posts)
10. We know what that means
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jan 2015

Come on. If you don't know that means she backs it, you don't know politics. The climate fight is gaining momentum among the top political issues. By 2016 it will be near the top. You'll have Bernie up there with a track record of fighting climate change and then this. Don't get me wrong, I think Hillary will win, so I want her to get her act together. I'm not confident.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. I personally think this whole election thingy is Kabuki Theater.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jan 2015

The NSA/CIA Deep State have enough power to ruin anyone. I think they determine who the candidates are.

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