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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:46 AM Jan 2015

Hay fever and sleeping tablets 'can increase risk of Alzheimer's and dementia'

Over-the-counter hay fever pills and sleeping tablets can increase the risk of Alzheimer’s, a study warned today.

The findings have “public health implications” about “potential safety risks”, according to scientists.

Other drugs for depression and bladder control were also linked to dementia .

The drugs have an ­“anticholinergic” effect, which blocks a chemical transmitter that people with Alzheimer’s lack.

Experts tracked the health of 3,434 over-65 and their use of anticholinergic drugs, like antihistamine diphenhydramine, for seven years.

During the study, 637 developed Alzheimer’s and 160 got other forms of dementia.

For people on high doses the risk of dementia was 54% higher compared to no use.

Read More: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hay-fever-sleeping-tablets-can-5048128

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150126124721.htm

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Hay fever and sleeping tablets 'can increase risk of Alzheimer's and dementia' (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 OP
Um...which over the counter allergy meds? Benadryl? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #1
If it says PM or sleep it is diphenhydramine. LiberalArkie Jan 2015 #3
which is Benadryl. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #4
Claritin is on that list. Look it up. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #19
It's been know about benadryl for a long time. mucifer Jan 2015 #15
Now I need to find something else to put me to sleep. LiberalArkie Jan 2015 #2
Melatonin... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #5
Take that also. I usually wake up after 4 hours LiberalArkie Jan 2015 #7
then take it with Kava Kava... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #10
There's tryptophan, too.. as a possibility. Cha Jan 2015 #12
GABA. Tryptophan needs to be taken in large amounts and the pills are huge. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #24
Thanks I will look into it. I was just doing some research on lights and found out LiberalArkie Jan 2015 #29
Regular exercise generally helps a lot. Quantess Jan 2015 #6
Yep 2 hours of hard cardio every morning. LiberalArkie Jan 2015 #8
Wow.. that is ambitious! Cha Jan 2015 #13
I really enjoy it.. As someone with asthma and mistrial valve problems LiberalArkie Jan 2015 #14
Good on you, LA! Retirement is a whole new ballgame.. I've had four years to adjust. I just stay Cha Jan 2015 #17
I have trouble falling asleep MissDeeds Jan 2015 #9
Please try something else Sanity Claws Jan 2015 #11
So what's the effect of chronic sleep deprivation? clayton72 Jan 2015 #16
That is how I felt when I tried getting off the sleep meds before. But now that I am retired and LiberalArkie Jan 2015 #18
The article says the causal chain is not clear. freedom fighter jh Jan 2015 #22
You speak the truth...I have a serious sleep disorder Boxerfan Jan 2015 #27
See this link for a list of these meds. Daemonaquila Jan 2015 #20
Crap! Benedryl has been one of my "go-to" drugs for years. Coventina Jan 2015 #21
Melatonin has been a help to some, and so far I can find nothing which says it jtuck004 Jan 2015 #23
Not long ago SLEEP DEPRIVATION was found a very large indicator to dementia. So it's more likely KittyWampus Jan 2015 #25
Nope. Daemonaquila Jan 2015 #26
Thanks for the info Thespian2 Jan 2015 #28
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
19. Claritin is on that list. Look it up.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jan 2015

This OP says 'anticholinergic drugs, like antihistamine diphenhydramine' diphenhydramine is an example of the class, not the only drug in that class.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leo-galland-md/memory-loss-drugs-_b_822245.html

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
29. Thanks I will look into it. I was just doing some research on lights and found out
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jan 2015

that the blue leds in my clock and in the directv box above my tv in the bedroom will keep a person awake. Have to go and find some black tape and toss my alarm clock. Red makes your brain produce melatonin and blue stops it. Who would have thunk.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
14. I really enjoy it.. As someone with asthma and mistrial valve problems
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 09:19 AM
Jan 2015

I decided to see what I could do. At 67, my resting heart rate is now 54 and max heart rate is now 180. Stats say I am between 45 and 50 years old. I have my bad days when I only get in 45 minutes but I try to get at least 90 minutes of elyptical in 5 days a week. I work in some strength training in the afternoons. I am healthier now than I have even been, just sleep real lightly. I may have to start trying to stay up later at night. I do hate late night TV. I got in the habit of going to bed around 8PM because I had to get ready for work at 5AM. And being on call 24/7/365 meant I had to sleep light which meant sleeping longer. Retirement has been hell to figure out.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
17. Good on you, LA! Retirement is a whole new ballgame.. I've had four years to adjust. I just stay
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 09:27 AM
Jan 2015

up all night and watch Netflix or hang out on DU and FB. lol I think it's just a phase.

I do get out and run every other day.. a few miles.. I'd like to do a longer workout.. I think the more we do sensibly the better it is for us.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
9. I have trouble falling asleep
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:30 AM
Jan 2015

and staying asleep, but found a little brandy right before bed works wonders.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
11. Please try something else
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jan 2015

Have you tried:
Chamomile tea
Tart cherry juice
Herbal teas with combinations aimed at sleep
Certain yoga exercises (I can give you more info if you'd like)

I thought this article was so interesting that I sent it to my friend who is taking care of his father with dementia.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
18. That is how I felt when I tried getting off the sleep meds before. But now that I am retired and
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jan 2015

don't have have to get up before the chickens, I am going to try it again. I think I will go with audio books as I tend to fall asleep listening to them.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
22. The article says the causal chain is not clear.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jan 2015

I imagine the dementia could be caused by the insomnia that led to the pill use in the first place. Possibly.

Still, this is enough to make me give up Benadryl.

Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
27. You speak the truth...I have a serious sleep disorder
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jan 2015

And I use OTC sleep meds & I exercise every morning as long as I can manage.

And that has allowed me to keep semi sane.

I wake 20+ times a night Because I have to quench my mouth. I had a saliva gland tumor removed years ago & there is a plumbing problem that makes my saliva production very poor.

I use soda water to quench & that is why I wake so many times. The saliva helper products do not work for me at all.

And no way am I stopping the OTC meds.

Before I started the exercise/sleep pills I had zero REM sleep. That will make you bonkers very quick.

Now I get my dreams in tiny bits-enough to keep me sane.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
20. See this link for a list of these meds.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:01 AM
Jan 2015

It's extremely wide-ranging, from commonly used psychiatric drugs (Xanax, amitriptylline, Wellbutrin, Valium) to meds for over active bladder to common anti-asthma drugs to muscle relaxants (soma, Baclofen, Flexeril) to stuff used for cardiac conditions including hypertension (furosemide, warfarin, Metoprolol), anti-epileptics, GI drugs (ranitidine, Promethazine, hyoscyamine), and many more. The table isn't exhaustive, but it gives a really good idea of the biggest culprits.

They knew these drugs were contraindicated for people with dementia because they could change mental acuity, but this is the first study that shows that long term use of certain very common meds creates a likely non-reversible risk for later dementia. When I look at my clients' med lists, many are on multiples of these for decades. So, maybe big pharma and over-prescription of certain meds might just be causing the rising rate of Alzheimer's... Definitely something to keep looking at.

http://prescribersletter.therapeuticresearch.com/pl/ArticleDD.aspx?nidchk=1&cs=&s=PRL&pt=2&segment=3860&dd=271223&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
23. Melatonin has been a help to some, and so far I can find nothing which says it
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jan 2015

is part of this.

Also

http://www.insomnialand.com/

Just reading through the site, it has some of the same info as in the OP. It is a community of people looking for a solution.

Sleep well.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
25. Not long ago SLEEP DEPRIVATION was found a very large indicator to dementia. So it's more likely
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jan 2015

that it's sleep loss leading to the pills that is the problem.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
26. Nope.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jan 2015

Read the list of ALL the meds that fall in this category. Both lack of sleep and a whole range of meds can and do cause the sake kinds of problems.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
28. Thanks for the info
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 11:23 AM
Jan 2015

I take very few drugs, but after doing a bit of research concerning medications for people over 65, I am stopping one of them through the proper withdrawal method. Clonazepam, a short term medication, that is useless over a long term. No doctor ever told me that. I could have stopped long ago.

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