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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 11:07 PM Jan 2015

Anti-Vaxxers/Pro-Vaxxers heads asplode as they are both proven wrong and right at the same time.

*which suits those of us with a nuanced view of the world just fine*

http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time

When it comes to the measles vaccine, two shots are better than one. Most people in the United States are initially vaccinated against the virus shortly after their first birthday and return for a booster shot as a toddler. Less than 1% of people who get both shots will contract the potentially lethal skin and respiratory infection. And even if a fully vaccinated person does become infected—a rare situation known as “vaccine failure”—they weren’t thought to be contagious.

That’s why a fully vaccinated 22-year-old theater employee in New York City who developed the measles in 2011 was released without hospitalization or quarantine. But like Typhoid Mary, this patient turned out to be unwittingly contagious. Ultimately, she transmitted the measles to four other people, according to a recent report in Clinical Infectious Diseases that tracked symptoms in the 88 people with whom “Measles Mary” interacted while she was sick. Surprisingly, two of the secondary patients had been fully vaccinated. And although the other two had no record of receiving the vaccine, they both showed signs of previous measles exposure that should have conferred immunity.


and:

The Questionable Contribution of Medical Measures to the Decline of Mortality in the United States in the Twentieth Century
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0160-1997%28197722%2955%3A3%3C405%3ATQCOMM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6

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Anti-Vaxxers/Pro-Vaxxers heads asplode as they are both proven wrong and right at the same time. (Original Post) TalkingDog Jan 2015 OP
Vaccines are not perfect. Avalux Jan 2015 #1
You are correct. Vaccines are not 100% Effective. dballance Feb 2015 #7
I think you may have misread my post. Avalux Feb 2015 #8
Wait. Why exactly do you think these articles support an anti-vac position? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #2
Are you saying anti-vaxers are supported by needing a booster shot? What? uppityperson Jan 2015 #3
Herd Immunity. Google is your friend. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #4
Yeah shenmue Feb 2015 #6
... NuclearDem Feb 2015 #5

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
1. Vaccines are not perfect.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 11:12 PM
Jan 2015

There are different kinds for different pathogens, and some are more effective than others. Some we really don't know how long they'll provide immunity.

Anyone who thinks all vaccines are 100% effective doesn't understand science.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
7. You are correct. Vaccines are not 100% Effective.
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 12:59 AM
Feb 2015

They are, however, much more effective than not vaccinating. Otherwise the statistics would not show that populations of people who are vaccinated have practically eliminated the diseases among their population for which they were vaccinated.

And people who visited Disney would not have infected so many others.

You might just want to look at what happened to kids who were infected with Polio before the vaccine. Let me remind you of a term with which you may not be familiar: "Iron Lung." That would be the machine that kept kids who suffered from Polio alive when they succumbed to Polio.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
8. I think you may have misread my post.
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 07:21 PM
Feb 2015

I spent most of my career in infectious diseases research and I'm absolutely in favor of vaccinating. I was pointing out that vaccines are not perfect because anti-vaxxers often say that they don't work. Sometimes they don't, but it's far better than the alternative.

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