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I'm so afraid of Global Warming, I'm afraid of nuclear weapons, I'm afraid of some disease coming to kill me. I don't want to die, I'm 19 I still have a long life to live. I just want to live a nice long life not to be cut short by any of those things. I know you're probably thinking that I'm trolling but I'm not, I'm very concerned.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Buckle up!
rug
(82,333 posts)minivan2
(214 posts)And I'm not DU bashing I just feel that we should tone down our doomsday predictions.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)btrflykng9
(287 posts)Hey, Mr. Tamborine Man? That makes me all kinds of happy Shatner is groovy.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That's the point.
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" -
Even at 19, I'll bet you've heard that famous quote.
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)....sooner or later.
You can take that to the bank.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I'm not trying to be mean. I am just stating what I believe to be a reality. DUers are not going to change how they post.
I have a fairly high degree of confidence though, that DUers' not toning it down will not be fatal to any of us. I, for one, do not plan to die because of the content of DU posts.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)that back window is HUGH!
ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)What you should be worried about is can a 19 year old who is in the 99% survive in a America to old age?
At your age you should be looking at opportunities in other places, America is dying and your gen is going to get screwed.
It is a big world and America is not the be all end all.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Not sure what leads you to that conclusion but it is silly.
ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)I was born 5 years after WWII (the only wartime use of nukes), was a baby when my dad fought in Korea, came of age during the Vietnam War, saw social upheaval, the assassination of two Kennedy's and MLK, saw the rise of AIDS, etc, etc.
Don't be afraid, keep on keepin' on.
raccoon
(31,119 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)I wish I was older then 61.
I can't wait to exit this planet.
I can't take the raging wars, the cruelty, the poverty, and the destruction.
I feel like I never belonged in such a hateful environment.
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)I feel the same way, at times, about that quote from your post. I'm 56.
But I believe those of us who feel this way are here for a reason. You don't have to agree with me. But we all, each and every one of us, need to be doing what we can to CHANGE the hateful environment. Alone we are nothing, but together, we can roar!
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)You and yours have a safe and pleasant evening.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I have a friend who just turned 53. He has literally given up. He believes in a clockwork universe with no free will, in which everything is predestined. America's decline from Republic to Empire is inevitable, nothing can be done to stop it, all that we can do is hope to slow it down enough for him to collect his Social Security before he dies. No reason to aspire to anything better, just go along to get along until the stormtroopers kick in the door and cart him off to the reeducation camp.
This friend also describes himself as an ultra-liberal who despises Republicans. The problem is that all he has is spite.
There is a lot of this attitude these days: "We can't expect to have anything better, so we'll just settle for bad over worse."
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)It's disheartening to see the utter submission. And I'm guilty of it at times! But I certainly don't believe that anything is predestined.
But the only way that things are going to change is if WE change them. I wish there was a way to communicate that simple thing to people like your friend. If more of us could come together and work/vote/live as a block, we would all be the better for it.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)To use coach-speak:
Whether you say you CAN, or say you CAN'T, you're absolutely right.
panader0
(25,816 posts)There are wars and cruelty, poverty and destruction. These things have always been with us. But these things are only one side of the coin. There is also unspeakable beauty and love--it's everywhere, and if you don't see it, make it yourself. I watch the sun rise every morning, look at the sky and mountains and trees, beautiful life force. At night the stars come out and the coyotes yip and howl, glad to be alive.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)I'm sure we'll squeak out a way to survive the measles.
trumad
(41,692 posts)If that ever happened I would believe this Op.
salin
(48,955 posts)temporarily lose that ability. oops. (already edited)
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)salin
(48,955 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)Nor will you ever change any of the scenarios you worry about. Stop worrying about them and start working to change them.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)alcohol-fueled accidents/sheer stupidity, and suicide. Try not to do those things and you might be OK. Or you might not, I don't know.
haele
(12,676 posts)You can fight the fears by working to change those things you fear, you can put the fears on a back burner and make the decision to go on with your life the best you can, or you can succumb to those fears by either deadening yourself with substance abuse or let them control your life as you spin yourself around and around in circles trying to protect yourself and go no-where.
Those are pretty much your choices. And there's nothing wrong with putting the fear on a back burner if you don't think you're strong enough to fight.
But I'll let you know one thing - if you choose to succumb to the fear or let it control your life, then the fear has won, and you'll live your life with a beast digging its claws into your back and eating your brain and any good you might do.
Life is a trickle of water; a stream that goes on and on, joining with others until it finally becomes part of the greater ocean at the end. And no one knows how close to the ocean they are.
Haele
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)TBF
(32,089 posts)I was going to say be very afraid of calling women "girls" !!!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)My reflex is to slap people who do that.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Hopefully the newbie will learn...
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)She was very clear about that growing up, and now it bugs me every time I hear it
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Your mom sounds like a lovely lady. I can't stand when people refer to grown women as "girls".
Although I admit to loving the show "Girls ".
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)When she's not beating me
It drove me nuts when I watched an episode of "The Bachelor", and not once, in an hour and a half long show, did they refer to the group of women as "women"--only "girls". (Also, that show is just awful. Avoid it if you can. That particular episode had a bikini tractor race...)
Although it is awkward at 19--my friends all still consider themselves girls, and only sometimes women. Referring to them as women gets me some odd looks at times. So I generally use a mix. Never sure how to approach that.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)That makes us feel old.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)I learned my lesson there a few years back.
I like the idea of ladies. Too bad "gentlemen" bugs me too
brer cat
(24,598 posts)telling me to jump on that...thanks for taking care of it.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. -FDR
If you live in your fear, you will never accomplish anything. Get involved in your local politics. Your generation will have many hurdles to jump. Not really different than any other generation, if you think about it. Civil rights, the right for women to vote, even the right for women to own their own property were not accomplished easily. We have come a long way, but the road is not finished.
William769
(55,147 posts)Apparently you need it.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)of Americans
Bonx
(2,074 posts)Chiyo-chichi
(3,586 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)that you fear so you can have a less eventful life than those of us who are 50+. Our generations changed a lot of things for the better, but we couldn't do it all so now it's your turn.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Odds are high you'll live long enough to die of old age. Try not to worry.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)minivan1.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)they went to the MMR protocol.) I remember it vividly because 1) you don't really forget having a major illness like that; and 2) it was the same weekend The China Syndrome was released which coincided with Three Mile Island. Donna Summer's "Bad Girls" was all the rage, and as I rested at home, recovering, I had a nightmare - somehow, the prostitution sung about in "Bad Girls" brought on a nuclear war between the US and the Soviet Union and groundwater contamination from 3 Mile Island had made its way from Harrisburg to pollute the entire nation's water supply. Jane Fonda may have had a role in this somehow (to bring the memory full circle, lol). (On a side note, one of my FB friends is a woman whose health was compromised during the Chernobyl disaster, as a resident of a northern European country.)
AIDS reared its head soon after that.
As goofy as these memories seem today, the fear underlying the nightmares was REAL.
Nothing can stop any of us from one day, DYING. Sooner or later, who knows? Now I'm middle-aged, and thus, I've known (near or from afar) quite a number of people - classmates, dear friends, colleagues, celebrities - who passed away.
Just do your best to enjoy it right now, because if you are enjoying your life right now, you won't worry as much about these more abstract matters, because you'll be content knowing that if we all die, at least you died happy.
raccoon
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)someone needs to post a link to Don't Fear the Reaper!
I doubt our 19 year old newb ever heard it.
(I'm terrible at links on this laptop I'm using)
minivan2
(214 posts)In fact I love a lot of the songs from the 60s
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)My point is that just because I'm young doesn't mean that I listen to some crappy music of today.
Yeah, I had graduated from high school the year before. Somehow I thought it came out when I was still in high school, but my memory, uh...
Actually had the album!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I graduated in '76.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Some of us may be 19 year old newbs, but we're at least 60's-music-literate newbs
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)KingCharlemagne
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alarm (about the prospect of nuclear war over Ukraine) and climate scientists are expressing fears of a global catastrophe in the coming years and the political establishment seems paralyzed in inaction and imprecations.
I would, however, like to leave you with the words of a very wise Turkish Communist (Nazim Hikmet)
On Living
I
Living is no laughing matter:
you must live with great seriousness
like a squirrel, for example
I mean without looking for something beyond and above living,
I mean living must be your whole occupation.
Living is no laughing matter:
you must take it seriously,
so much so and to such a degree
that, for example, your hands tied behind your back,
your back to the wall,
or else in a laboratory
in your white coat and safety glasses,
you can die for people
even for people whose faces youve never seen,
even though you know living
is the most real, the most beautiful thing.
I mean, you must take living so seriously
that even at seventy, for example, youll plant olive trees
and not for your children, either,
but because although you fear death you dont believe it,
because living, I mean, weighs heavier.
II
Lets say were seriously ill, need surgery
which is to say we might not get up
from the white table.
Even though its impossible not to feel sad
about going a little too soon,
well still laugh at the jokes being told,
well look out the window to see if its raining,
or still wait anxiously
for the latest newscast . . .
Lets say were at the front
for something worth fighting for, say.
There, in the first offensive, on that very day,
we might fall on our face, dead.
Well know this with a curious anger,
but well still worry ourselves to death
about the outcome of the war, which could last years.
Lets say were in prison
and close to fifty,
and we have eighteen more years, say,
before the iron doors will open.
Well still live with the outside,
with its people and animals, struggle and wind
I mean with the outside beyond the walls.
I mean, however and wherever we are,
we must live as if we will never die.
III
This earth will grow cold,
a star among stars
and one of the smallest,
a gilded mote on blue velvet
I mean this, our great earth.
This earth will grow cold one day,
not like a block of ice
or a dead cloud even
but like an empty walnut it will roll along
in pitch-black space . . .
You must grieve for this right now
you have to feel this sorrow now
for the world must be loved this much
if youre going to say I lived. . .
~Nazim Hikmet
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Beautiful. I may get that framed and hang it on my wall.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)craft incredibly powerful poems. Chris Hedges introduced me to his work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A2z%C4%B1m_Hikmet
*************************
FWIW, I took this OP at face value when it appears he or she may have been spoofing or playing us all. Oh well, the OP's tomfoolery cannot take away from the power of Hikmet's work
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Thanks for the introduction--I'll read up on him. If you ever have more literary works you're in the mood to share, please PM me. If a half of them are half as good as that, I'd be interested.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I'm a good bit older than you and I was a teenager during the cold war; I was afraid to sleep at night because I thought we were going to get blown to bits by USSR nuclear missiles.
You do have a long life ahead of you, so you have a decision to make and the sooner the better. Like NOW. Do you want to waste your precious life worrying about what MIGHT happen, always being afraid of what you can't control? Or do you want to wake up every day and live it the best you can according to your own inner voice, taking care of yourself and those you love, then go to sleep every night knowing you did your best?
None of us know how long we have on this planet, it could all end tomorrow. Life is to be experienced and the relationships we have with others are what matters. Enjoy your life, and don't give in to fear.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Don't read to much into that bullshit. Take note of the blue links of madness their silly ass conspiracy theories never pan out. Our government has been out to get them for the last 50 years & yet they still have all their freedom & haven't been nuked.
You will be ok.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Uh, what country have you been living in?
Edit: okay, so we haven't been nuked........YET.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If you're not already living in a solidly blue state, move to one as soon as you can. At least then if things go to hell for you, you won't have your state government trying to kill you off faster for being a 'taker'.
Learn to have fun without alcohol or other drugs. It saves you a ton of money, and can keep you from doing some really stupid things while in an altered state, including things that can get you arrested or dead. Oh, and if you do drink, drink lots of water to mitigate hangovers, and don't take tylenol - it's rough on your liver, as alcohol is too. The two together can screw your liver up long term.
In a similar vein, do find ways to get some exercise and don't overeat. Carrying around a bunch of extra fat is going to make you die sooner, and probably stick you with a bunch of chronic health issues long before you die. No matter what else you've got, you're stuck with your body for as long as you're around, so do what you can to take care of it.
Don't spend too much time in 'fantasy worlds', whether TV programs or online. Unless you're that one in a million who becomes a 'pro gamer', it's not going to help you stay alive long term. Instead, keep trying to learn new useful real world skills when you have time to kill. Even artistic ones that don't seem particularly 'useful' can be turned into cash-generators by selling what you make online. But learn to use as many common tools as you can.
Build up a network of friends that you can trust to help you when you're down, and be willing to help them when they're down. Other social networks can be quite useful as well - churches if you're religious, professional groups, support groups, etc. And actually participate, so you're not just a name on a list.
Take care of your teeth, and wash your hands after you do anything dirty and before you are doing any food prep or other 'clean' activities.
Don't spend the money you make on cheap things that fall apart quickly, but also don't spend it on expensive things that aren't useful. Buy good quality, durable products, even if you have to save up for a while to afford them, and then reap the benefits of not having to replace them over and over and over.
Don't be too materialistic. Don't actually have a use for something? Don't buy it. Only going to use it briefly? Again, why buy it? Maybe rent if only for a short period.
When/if you buy a house, don't just trust the 'inspector' to find flaws. Check around windows for water damage or gaps, lift up tile ceiling panels to see if there's damage hiding above them, check inside cabinets, find out how old the roofing is, the furnace is, the A/C is, and, in general, how many DIY type projects have been (poorly) done, and will need redone. Check to see if there's a large tree or trees whose roots might be destroying the sewer line out. Talk to the potential neighbours before buying to see if any of them are psychos you don't want to live next to.
Plan in advance for as much of life as you can. Set your (realistic) goals, figure out the steps you'll need along the way to move you towards them, and think about what things will actually move you further away from them, or prevent you from advancing towards them. Research the potential 'downside' of major life changes before you try them. And figure out how to make every experience advance you towards your goals. At the very least, you'll be able to use it in job interviews, by talking about how you do 'X' in your free time to improve your skillsets and become more flexible.
Learn to garden, and grow some of your own food. You can actually grow a number of things in pots indoors, even when you have no yard, and a number of vegetables or even things like pineapple can be 'regrown' from pieces you chopped off while using the rest, to provide at least a few veggies in places with no local groceries handy.
Find someone to share your life with. (Or 'someones', if you can get past jealousy issues and lean that way.) There are times you'll really need to destress, and it's much nicer to do so in the arms of someone you like than on the couch of a shrink.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)I'm going to follow none of that
freshwest
(53,661 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I sill think you're trolling.
salin
(48,955 posts)I fell for it - gave advice.... erased it when I read trumad's post above.
Ironically - for one who claims s/he just wants the doom and gloom toned down on the site.... (and mocking folks with his op) - s/he actually got some decent advice and perspective. That is many folks responded to his mocking with sincerity and kindness. Irony is I doubt that was the result expected.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This might become one of the classic DU threads lol.
It's going places!
and your advice was good - could be snark or sincere or sincerely snarky!
I have made or read 3 kudzo references on DU in the last two days. This has a little ways to go. lol
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wondering.
salin
(48,955 posts)I wish I had originally had my "cool story, bro" hat on.
Fun to read.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)chock full of helpful tips for DUers.
Yesterday we had the stop swearing language cop, and today we have this.
We should feel lucky.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)hair on fire guy!
Makes me giggle every time I see him/her!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Just right-click on it and copy the url. The gif will display when you include that url in a DU post.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Thank you, I love it.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)We are inundated with things on a daily basis to make us afraid. Some might even wonder if it's deliberately done.
But don't let the bastards win! Because if they win, what kind of a life can any of us have?
You are 19 and YES, we all want you to have a nice long life. So, start living. Start enjoying yourself. Give yourself permission not to be afraid for a while. Do what you can to make the world a better place. Try to go to bed each night with a clear conscience. Help where you can and take help from others when you need it.
And I sincerely wish you the best.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)until that damn Sputnik thingy goes away.
No way am I gonna let those Ruskies find me.
In_The_Wind
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HappyMe
(20,277 posts)at a good Italian restaurant. Like the Olive Garden in Times Square.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Too risky leavin' the safety of the underside of this desk.
And that Khrushchev fellow is one mean SOB.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Khrushchev threat. Oh my! I had better get back under the bed.
Rob Lowe is right - I think they are putting listening devices in the cheese. I'll have my spaghetti without it.
chrisa
(4,524 posts)There is a 100% chance you will die, though. Just probably not for another 69 - 100 years, depending on technology. Actually, maybe you won't at all if humans find out how to replace organs like one would a machine. Then you would be an awesome cyborg.
Initech
(100,100 posts)That's exactly what conservatives, fundamentalist Christians, and the Fox Propaganda Network want - is an entire country afraid of their own shadow. If you let these things keep getting to you, you will be exactly right where they want you. If you don't and continue to think for yourself and examine both sides of any given issue, then that's how we win and can beat the conservatives at their own game.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)Do you know how many times we've come to annihilating ourselves, whether through war, illness, disaster and old-fashioned douchebaggery?
Take gun violence. Plenty on the news about people being shot, but the murder rate was dramatically higher when you were born (and was already on a slide then).
Take car accidents. There's always some car crash on the news, but there were three times as many fatal accidents in the 1930s than now, and there were a lot fewer Americans.
Take measles. Fatal cases 75 years ago: About 17,000. This latest outbreak? 0.
Take war. You think Iraq and Afghanistan are bad? The number of deaths of American troops are orders of magnitude below those of every other major American war. Nobody's really started an all-out brawl with us because we got "the bomb."
Here's my thought: Turn off the TV, switch from Democratic Underground to The Onion, and go live life. Go meet a girl (or guy, whatever) you like, go find a job that makes you happy (and provides enough money to live your ideal life... mine is pretty cheap, so a poor-paying job that helps people appeals to me), and live. Get your vaccines. Wear your motorcycle helmet. Wrap your tool if you don't want kids or the clap (and offer to pay for the pill for yo' lady, because you're benefiting, too). Eat what you want in moderation and ride a bike or something.
Oh, and follow the Golden Rule: "Don't be a dick."
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Please don't text and drive.
Yes!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Reagan, you know. I used to do graveyard shifts at my college radio station. I remember one night, I put on a long cut, as DJs do , and retired to the back room for a . When I returned, I found myself terrified that the AP teletype machine in the control room would go off with news of nuclear war, and I'd have to broadcast the news to greater New Haven.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)Nobody's immortal and death is not a matter of if but when. Whether that's tomorrow, 20 years from now, 50 years from now, etc, it will happen.
In the mean time stop being so afraid. You're young, so channel your energy into doing something about a cause that concerns you (climate change, medicine, etc).
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Some sort of warping of the time/place/space/universal differential portal doodad?
Or they just didn't sign up in time?
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Brooklyn is doomed. As are minivans.
salin
(48,955 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)salin
(48,955 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)salin
(48,955 posts)black hole? Brooklyn Triangle?
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)and in danger of getting stepped on. Or something.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)raccoon
(31,119 posts)minivan2
(214 posts)Changing the title right now.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Actually surprised more haven't.
The OP could have just stuck with "guys" because that seems to be a kind of generic thing, like "y'all" down here.
The parenthetical was unnecessary and odd.
The empressof all
(29,098 posts)You today will not be the You that "dies" Just as much as You are no longer the You that You were when You were Born.
It is Serendipity that this popped up on my facebook feed shortly after reading your post
http://www.brainpickings.org/2014/10/07/rebecca-goldstein-personal-identity/
There is nothing that You can really do about death. So try to have fun, cause as little harm as possible and be kind.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I tend to click "Trash Thread" on the doomsday threads around here
Look y'all, I know there are all of these things we've done to the planet and may yet still do, but I don't have to be constantly reminded. My memory is pretty good, and I get a good "dose" of doom'n'gloom from the news. Yet another thread getting everyone down about how horrible will be the demise of the human race is tediously boring. And so, I trash those threads, and it cleans up GD (and other groups/forums) nicely
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)there's a few things I have a healthy respect for. I quit fretting over things I have no control over a long time ago.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I'm a good bit older than that now.
At 19, I was afraid of nothing.
Now I only fear losing family and friends to age.
gladium et scutum
(808 posts)we have to fear, is fear itself. FDR.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)I'm betting you have a stockpile of guns
olddots
(10,237 posts)Of something or other
steve2470
(37,457 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)You should not lurk here and see the underbelly of negativism. This site is not a true reflection of the world out there. It is a microcosm of fairly like minded people all trying to prove a point. The world isn't exactly like that. Most of the nation could care less about meds and politics and are happy as little clams doing what they do best...living life and having carefree fun. There is a huge huge sparkling life out there. It's up to you to take a different path.
Start by changing your handle from minivan to corvette or tesla, or porche.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)endless 24/7 news, turn off and tune out for a while. Take a media/internet break. (I was 19 several decades ago.)
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Is there something wrong with you?
Do you know where your next meal is coming from? Do you know where you will sleep tonight?
If your answers to the last two questions were "yes", you're fine.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)You are too young to worry about things to that extent. The one thing to help change is to vote each and every election. You will make a difference that way. For now, keep aware of things but don't let them rule you.