Here it comes. We're marching headlong into the next World War.

[Atman]

Every fucking region of the world is "inflamed" with one crisis or another.

I am not shy about saying "Blame Bush." They knew what they were doing when they emptied the treasury into their own bank accounts via tax cuts for themselves and then lied about WMD and invaded a sovereign nation, and set the dominoes falling. It was all by design, because the Bush family (CIA) and the Cheney's have been all about "new world order" and their own dominance since the womb. And now, as the oil industry faces its death knell, we're embarking on a cataclysmic battle to control the next, last resources. It's Mad Max time.

Happy Saturday!

[marym625]

1. amen to that!

He didn't do it alone but he sure was the catalyst. Unfortunately, there have been very few within the powers that be that have tried to change anything.

K&R

[PearliePoo2]

2. PNAC

Yes, by design...evil fuckers.

[BubbaFett]

3. That's part of the plan

eternal war is good for big business. Always has been.

[Lurks Often]

4. The Middle East is not going to be a "World War"

none of the countries in the Middle East have the ability to project military power beyond the region and neither Russia or China is likely to take the side of the ISIL religious extremists, especially since both countries have their own Islamic religious extremists causing them trouble.

If you are worried about a potential world war, look to the Ukraine and Russia. How far is Russia willing to go and will Putin back down before Russia and NATO start shooting at each other? If Russia and NATO DO start shooting at each other, what's Putin going to do when the Russians start losing, probably losing badly?

[maryellen99]

8. I agree nt

I have a gut feeling that Russia and Ukraine is going to end very very badly.

[bl968]

9. That's why we should not be getting involved

"None of the countries in the Middle East have the ability to project military power beyond the region"

[Lurks Often]

12. What happens in the Middle East has a direct effect on the United States,

whether we like or not.

We have treaties with some of the countries in the Middle East and a country that doesn't honor it's treaties soon finds it has no countries to support it.

The health of the U.S. economy and for that matter, the world economy, can be severely disrupted by an unstable Middle East and it benefits the U.S. to have a stable domestic and international economy.


I don't think any of us would like Russia, China or religious extremists controlling the Middle East.

[CJCRANE]

18. The trouble will come if western allies try to invade and occupy Syria

using the excuse of fighting ISIS.

[CK_John]

5. The have already started with the water grab

Paraguayan sources have confirmed that George W. Bush bought 42,000 hectares (over 100,000 acres) of land in Paraguay's northern "Chaco" ...

[Mnemosyne]

6. Near the bushies dear friend, Rev. Moon.nt

[A HERETIC I AM]

10. Who has been dead for 2 years, 5 months. n/t

[Octafish]

13. But his heirs carry on his mission for the brave new world order thing.

Paraguay? Why not!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3183814

US State Dept or BFEE, take your pick, has since destroyed the career of President Lugo, replacing him with figures more in line with the late Gen. Stroessner.

[A HERETIC I AM]

14. Well...just sayin'....

Not much of a "dear friend" as you put it.

[Mnemosyne]

15. I'm sure his estate still owns the land over the aquifer. nt

[hack89]

17. You know this is an Internet myth don't you?

there is no proof of this rumor.

[zeemike]

7. I tend not to focus so much on Bush.

Because Dim Son was just a figurehead with the right name...it was the team behind him that told him what to do and what to say.
Cheney was the leader of the pact...and he clearly is a sociopath, and this is what you get when you put them in charge...Bush is just a frat boy that will show his team spirit.

And I agree with the above reply, the middle east is not the danger, the real danger is trying our best to provoke Russia...then it would be a world war 3 with disastrous consequences.

[woo me with science]

16. ^^^^^^^^^^^

The MIC, the Deep State, the PNAC. It is much larger than Bush, and it continues in this administration, as well.

There is a lot of provoking going on, and a lot of propaganda leading us to war.

[G_j]

11. word

[HereSince1628]

19. Just when was every region of the world simulataneously free from conflict?

Historic records, archeology, and paleo-anthropology all point to conflict being a mostly the normal state of affairs for our species.

True the technology of war has changed vastly increasing the ravages it can create,

but technology has also vastly increased our awareness

We ought not to confuse greater awareness due to superior reporting of human behavior with a change in human behavior.

That sort of conflation of changed awareness with change reality is frequently used to support end-times prophecy fulfillment.

[CJCRANE]

21. Multiple conflicts going on at the same time is different from World War.

Right now there are strong voices calling to send masses of western troops into Iraq and Syria and to arm Ukraine. If that happens all bets are off. Who knows what will happen. Just look at the disastrous results of our previous interventions and multiply that exponentially.

[HereSince1628]

23. Yes it is. And that's why I'm saying lets not conflate that awareness with world war.

Of course, escalation always brings in more players and expands the geography of a conflict.

Selling arms also influences armed conflict, especially when the sales are based on financial loans that prolong wars beyond their natural endpoints. But the west sells enormous amounts of arms all the time...we don't fear it causing a world war.

"Bets are off, who knows what will happen" is an appeal to the fear/anxiety of uncertainty.


It's just my opinion but currently the conflict in the region seems to exist under two major influences...

1) the political chaos that flows from 'independence movements' and proxy wars that are part of the dominance competition between Iran and Saudi Arabia, something that goes back at least 50 years...

and 2) it flows from the political and economic chaos that are a consequence of the collapse of the SU and the attempts by the RF to reestablish strong regional influence that provides it real economic advantage.

Cold-war like relations by the US toward Russia emerge because the US ptb don't want another global power setting up once again an alternate competitive economy that shuts us out. There is some reason to wonder if the military-industrial-intelligence complex sees the SU's defeat in Afghanistan as something of a model to work toward via proxy war in the Ukraine. But in that model direct confrontation that some fear is unlikely as the desired outcome would be to simply let Ukraine become yet another place for a Russian dream of power to die from exhaustion.

Of course, there is no reason to believe that Russia will be as willing to commit suicide as it was in Afghanistan. Russians may have traditional views, but they aren't stupid. Russia can and appears to be engaged in pressuring its customers to pressure the US.

Germany and France want natural gas (as well safety for western Slavic states that stand as foils against Russian aggression). IMO, it's likely they'll trade Crimea and eastern Ukraine to get those things. What will be left of Ukraine is a weakened nation malleable to trading interests with Russia. I think it looks like a good deal for Russia which will take all the help it can from the west to prevent it's interests in Ukraine from turning into another case of economic anorexia.

[Logical]

20. Really? No we are not! End of story! Nt

[randome]

22. The Eastern hemisphere was already in crash mode and Bush, Jr. pushed it over the edge.

None of it -from ISIS to Boko Haram- can be said to have resulted from one cause. The seeds were already planted but it took inept 'gardners' like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld to raise a crop of weeds instead of something more useful.
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