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Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:40 PM Feb 2015

ROBERT PARRY: Group-Thinking the World Into A New War

Exclusive: The armchair warriors of Official Washington are eager for a new war, this time with Russia over Ukraine, and they are operating from the same sort of mindless “group think” and hostility to dissent that proved so disastrous in Iraq, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

If you wonder how the lethal “group think” on Iraq took shape in 2002, you might want to study what’s happening today with Ukraine. A misguided consensus has grabbed hold of Official Washington and has pulled in everyone who “matters” and tossed out almost anyone who disagrees.

Part of the problem, in both cases, has been that neocon propagandists understand that in the modern American media the personal is the political, that is, you don’t deal with the larger context of a dispute, you make it about some easily demonized figure. So, instead of understanding the complexities of Iraq, you focus on the unsavory Saddam Hussein.

This approach has been part of the neocon playbook at least since the 1980s when many of today’s leading neocons – such as Elliott Abrams and Robert Kagan – were entering government and cut their teeth as propagandists for the Reagan administration. Back then, the game was to put, say, Nicaragua’s President Daniel Ortega into the demon suit, with accusations about him wearing “designer glasses.” Later, it was Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega and then, of course, Saddam Hussein.

Instead of Americans coming to grips with the painful history of Central America, where the U.S. government has caused much of the violence and dysfunction, or in Iraq, where Western nations don’t have clean hands either, the story was made personal – about the demonized leader – and anyone who provided a fuller context was denounced as an “Ortega apologist” or a “Noriega apologist” or a “Saddam apologist.”

So, American skeptics were silenced and the U.S. government got to do what it wanted without serious debate. In Iraq, for instance, the American people would have benefited from a thorough airing of the complexities of Iraqi society – such as the sectarian divide between Sunni and Shiite – and the potential risks of invading under the dubious rationale of WMD.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/01/30/group-thinking-the-world-into-a-new-war/

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ROBERT PARRY: Group-Thinking the World Into A New War (Original Post) Oilwellian Feb 2015 OP
kick for one of America's genuine journalist-heroes. grasswire Feb 2015 #1
indeed. nashville_brook Feb 2015 #21
k/r for Parry marmar Feb 2015 #2
Lets see them lock all of these threads Ramses Feb 2015 #3
^^ nt grasswire Feb 2015 #4
solidarity against those who seek to divide and conquer Ramses Feb 2015 #5
+1 nashville_brook Feb 2015 #20
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #6
I'm pretty sure Parry wouldn't think of any situation, anywhere, in such a disgusting way. polly7 Feb 2015 #7
So do you recommend selling weapons to Ukraine? elias49 Feb 2015 #8
US Trainers To Deploy To Ukraine nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #10
Thanks. I missed it. nt elias49 Feb 2015 #11
"Yet Bruce Jenner gets plenty of attention. Why is that?" NuclearDem Feb 2015 #12
I'm sure Merkel wasn't too pleased to hear this Oilwellian Feb 2015 #13
I missed that too. thanks. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #18
K&R for real journalism, woo me with science Feb 2015 #9
K&R JEB Feb 2015 #14
Kick. onyourleft Feb 2015 #15
Both the US and Russia should let the Ukrainians decide their own fate. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #16
It's not just "group think", Europe agrees. Yorktown Feb 2015 #17
k and r nashville_brook Feb 2015 #19

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
1. kick for one of America's genuine journalist-heroes.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:48 PM
Feb 2015

Thank you, Robert Parry, for many years of journalism despite being blacklisted by TPTB.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
3. Lets see them lock all of these threads
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:56 PM
Feb 2015

Robert Parry is an excellent journalist who speaks truth to corruption. Let us see who sides with corruption and lies time after time.

US violent propaganda is alive and well, indeed

Response to Oilwellian (Original post)

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
10. US Trainers To Deploy To Ukraine
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:43 PM
Feb 2015

US soldiers train with Ukrainian troops during Exercise Rapid Trident in 2011.
(Photo: Staff Sgt. Brendan Stephens/US Army)


WASHINGTON — American soldiers will deploy to Ukraine this spring to begin training four companies of the Ukrainian National Guard, the head of US Army Europe Lt. Gen Ben Hodges said during his first visit to Kiev on Wednesday.

The number of troops heading to the Yavoriv Training Area near the city of L'viv — which is about 40 miles from the Polish border — is still being determined, however.

The American training effort comes as part of a US State Department initiative "to assist Ukraine in strengthening its law enforcement capabilities, conduct internal defense, and maintain rule of law" Pentagon spokeswoman Lt. Col. Vanessa Hillman told Defense News.

After meeting with commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Lt. Gen. Anatoliy Pushnyakov and acting commander of the National Guard Lt. Gen. Oleksandr Kryvyenko during his visit, Hodges said he was "impressed by the readiness of both military and civil leadership to change and reform."

The training was requested by the Ukrainian government "as they work to reform their police forces and establish their newly...
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/army/2015/01/21/ukraine-us-army-russia/22119315/

Posted last week and not a single comment.

Yet Bruce Jenner gets plenty of attention. Why is that?
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
12. "Yet Bruce Jenner gets plenty of attention. Why is that?"
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:50 PM
Feb 2015

Because she's a very well-known figure who's come out as transitioning to living life as a woman, and it has to do with public awareness of the T in LGBT.

Low brow of you.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
13. I'm sure Merkel wasn't too pleased to hear this
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:01 AM
Feb 2015

She called an emergency meeting and now Kerry is promising the US won't send arms. I don't think the EU is too happy with the neocons latest botched job because now war is dancing in their backyard.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
9. K&R for real journalism,
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:38 PM
Feb 2015

constantly under threat of being silenced...if not in one way then by another...by our new, corrupt, authoritarian political machine.

[div class-"excerpt"]It is DANGEROUS to be a real journalist - or a whistleblower who talks to a journalist - today.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026197388

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
16. Both the US and Russia should let the Ukrainians decide their own fate.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:49 AM
Feb 2015

That won't happen, however, because of the geographically strategic location of the Ukraine with regard to Russian access to the Mediterranean.

Opportunity and motive. Russia has a huge motive to control Ukraine -- its access to the Black Sea and the Mediterranean and Sevastopol. If the US and the Ukraine can insure Russian access and security, then perhaps with time, truly free elections will take place, and Ukraine can decide for itself what future it wants.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ukraine+map+Black+sea+mediterranean&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=705&tbm=isch&imgil=TN4vJcmNrBsHbM%253A%253B-uxeUqDUIOEliM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fen.wikipedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FBlack_Sea&source=iu&pf=m&fir=TN4vJcmNrBsHbM%253A%252C-uxeUqDUIOEliM%252C_&usg=__HCdNOkyHhgDpHUPzAE0KT8uyvEg%3D&ved=0CCcQyjc&ei=XknYVPfWDIW7ogSk24GgAQ#imgdii=_&imgrc=TN4vJcmNrBsHbM%253A%3B-uxeUqDUIOEliM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F5%252F52%252FBlack_Sea_map.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FBlack_Sea%3B1200%3B915

The Aegean sea:

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+aegean+sea&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=705&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=oknYVIPoOdK6ogTb3YHYBA&sqi=2&ved=0CCUQsAQ#tbm=isch&q=the+aegean+sea+black+sea&imgdii=a94IwX1lkiGNWM%3A%3B_dJOvnzew8YNdM%3Ba94IwX1lkiGNWM%3A&imgrc=a94IwX1lkiGNWM%253A%3BXziyHnETdzjqDM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thecityedition.com%252FPages%252FArchive%252F2010%252FCataclysms.html%3B342%3B257

Russia has access to the Black Sea and thus to all the countries surrounding it anyway. But Ukraine is an insurance policy for Russia's coast on the Black Sea.

Still, Russia should not be panicking the way it is. Ukraine is a country that has the right to self-determination. We no longer live in the 19th century. This is 2015, not 1919.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
17. It's not just "group think", Europe agrees.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:57 AM
Feb 2015

Iraq was one of the biggest and idiotic decision taken in recent history.
And most of Europe disagreed, save for Blair to whom God had spoken too.

On Ukraine, they all agree: Cameron, Merkel, Hollande, you name it.
For the very simple reason that Russian troops and equipment are in Ukraine.
So it's Russia propping up some rebels to carve himself a Greater Russia.

Should Europe and the US let Russia act as a bully?


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