I will vote for that Democrat ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I will vote for that Democrat that the evidence suggests has the best chance of beating the Republican in 2016.

If that makes DemocratSinceBirth a corporate shill, a Turd Wayer, a warmonger, or whatever he wears those epithets like a badge of honor.

Please carry on...

[NYC_SKP]

1. Enjoy your flight.........

.....I will be on another journey.

[Enthusiast]

19. Me too.

[Renew Deal]

2. It seems too early to be having these types of arguments

We don't really have any announced candidates other than Webb. We'll see how things shake out.

But most Democrats and DUers will vote for the Democratic nominee with a smile on their face. Those that don't aren't really Democrats/Progressives anyway. They are the same people that brought about Bush 2 because they thought it would be cute to vote for Nader.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I wouldn't be adverse to Jim Webb's candidacy and should he get the nomination....

I wouldn't be adverse to Jim Webb's candidacy and should he get the nomination I would, of course, support him.

[Cha]

6. It does seems early.. doesn't it?.. but

here we are.. DU collectively speaking, that it.

[truebluegreen]

37. Nice of you to absolve the Bush-appointed members of SCOTUS,

the Bush brother in the statehouse in Florida, the Republicans' machinations in voter suppression in that state, and the general malfeasance of the Republican Party.

I'm sure being blamed for the Bush debacle is a total turn-on for lefties to vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is.

[neverforget]

3. I'm going to wait until we have candidates that have declared and then make my

choice. Until then, it's all sturm und drang.

[pkdu]

5. Couldn't agree more. I'm becoming a citizen in the process. Nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Congratulations and welcome./NT

[BlueCaliDem]

8. Congratulations, pkdu! eom

[BlueCaliDem]

9. So will I. And despite the mitchin' and moanin' around here, so will they.

Because I know they know how high the stakes are.

[Marr]

10. It's hilarious how it's only Hillary fans who post this, and they post it constantly.

Voting for Hillary wouldn't be a compromise for you, so pretending otherwise is silly. She's the candidate you want, and that's fine-- but please, stop acting like you're just being pragmatic. The primary season hasn't even begun, for crying out loud.

[Rex]

12. No, no let him wear his new found pride with pride!

It's what he says he wants and we should oblige him. Maybe when someone declares? You expect people to actually care about such small things?

Good luck with that.

[Marr]

13. You know what's really funny about it?

The same people will say Sanders (should he run as a Dem) would be unelectable because he's too far to the left. They're openly saying that their own 'centrist' brethren won't hold their noses and vote for the Democrat if the tables are turned, while castigating anyone who won't take a loyalty oath to Hillary Clinton.

[Rex]

14. Yeah they want you to give them your ball and then they will take theirs and yours

and go home...or you can give them both and hang around and play until they get bored and leave. Their incredible childishness about the entire thing is why I won't take a single one of them seriously. An adult takes all of a few minutes to realize their silly attempt at pretending they can have our cake and their cake and eat both in front of us. While scolding us of course for having low moral.

I am amazed anyone takes them seriously, but this is the internet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Well

Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong but i believe she's best positioned to beat the Republicans and that is what is subconsciously making me gravitate to her candidacy.

We can go back to my Democratic primary choices since 1980 and I voted for that Democrat I believed had the best chance of beating the Republican.

[Rex]

11. Yeah sure ya do.

And here you were running around talking about us being two smart men. Looks like fee fees were hurt by a little truth...but ya carry on my wayward son.

[Ramses]

16. If you vote for Hillary Clinton, you will be unfortunately be voting republican

Let compare:

Jeb Bush: disaster Capitalism, more wars, Wall street 1% suck up
Ted Cruz: disaster Capitalism, more wars, Wall street 1% suck up
Hillary: disaster Capitalism, more wars, Wall street 1% suck up

Yea, you will be voting for more republican policies. I however will not be voting for republicans, whatever they call themselves

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Politics matter, even small bore politics

If John McCain was elected president there would be no Affordable care Act, no Medicaid expansion, and I would be walking around with a broken elbow and uncontrolled hypertension. My dad died of a heart attack at the ripe old age of fifty eight. He hadn't seen a doctor in twenty years.

Medicare
Medicaid
Social Security
AFDC
Universal Health Insurance

Without Democratic presidents these programs, some of them lifesaving, wouldn't exist.

Enfranchisement of women
Enfranchisement of people of color
Marriage equality

Without Democratic presidents these people would still be waiting on their rights.

So while you dream about a revolution that will never happen I will continue to do what little I can to help "those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; and those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped."

[Jamaal510]

17. Whoever wins the nomination (whether it be a moderate or a "real progressive"),

I'll vote for without hesitation over the red guy and the fringe 3rd party-dwellers. Along with that, I'll continue to participate in every Congressional election to help his/her agenda be effectively carried out.

[dissentient]

18. Good for you. And others can vote according to their terms, whether it be based on

conscience, or their principles, or whatever.

Isn't freedom wonderful?

[Scuba]

21. Breaking: Rick Perry changes affiliation back to Democrat, receives endorsement from Third Way.

So if Rick's "our" candidate are you gonna vote for him?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. If he survives the Democratic presidential nomination process and runs against Scott Walker I would

That being said I suspect the chances of Rick Perry returning to the party he originally chose (Democrats) is about the same as the chances of Elizabeth Warren returning to the party she originally chose (Republicans) and that is essentially zero.


Thought you cornered ole DemocratSinceBirth there, did ya?

American by birth.
Democratic by the grace of God.

[Scuba]

24. Apparently to you, it's about party and not policy. That's not true for me.

I vote for Democrats when they support policies that help Americans, not just because they have a "D" behind their names.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I will vote for the most liberal candidate who I believe can win the election./NT

[Scuba]

28. Then why don't you start supporting more liberal candidates now?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Like whom?

My primary votes since

1980

Ted Kennedy

1984

Gary Hart

1988

Al Gore

1992

Bob Kerrey

1996

No primary

2000

Al Gore

2004

Wes Clark

2008

Hillary Clinton


My northstar was always picking the candidate I believed had the best shot of beating the Republican.

[Scuba]

35. Beating the real Republican with a fake Republican does not lead to winning policy.

How about Bernie Sanders? Why not start supporting him now?

How about Elizabeth Warren? Why not start supporting her now?

Sherrod Brown?

Martin O'Malley?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Have they announced?

Oh, and can you please cite the votes Brown, Warren, and O'Malley* have made that Hillary Clinton wouldn't have made?


And then I would need to see actual evidence that they can mount a national campaign.


Thank you in advance.


*He's a governor so you can point to how he governs Maryland.

[truebluegreen]

38. Has Hillary announced? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I don't think I said she did

That being said if Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Martin O'Malley announce then at least we would have actual data to see whether or not they can defeat the Republican which I stated is my raison d'etre in my seminal post, ergo:

"I will vote for that Democrat that the evidence suggests has the best chance of beating the Republican in 2016. "

To me defeating the Republican is paramount, everything else is commentary.

[truebluegreen]

40. I get it.

"Winning" is the important thing. So for many of us, what will we win? And for many of us, with Hillary we will win more wars, more trade deals, more sucking up to the 1%.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. If "winning" means any Democrat triumphing over a Republican with no other qualifiers...

If "winning" means any Democrat triumphing over a Republican with no other qualifiers than my answer is yes:

For an elaboration on why I believe this with my heart, soul, and mind please see #20.

Thank you.

[truebluegreen]

42. By that measure, if St Ronnie of Raygun turned back into a Democrat

you would be happy if he won.

You're welcome.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. If Ronnie would have supported

Social Security
Medicare (he railed against it 1964. he practically said it would put us on the road to serfdom)
Medicaid
AFDC
Universal Health Insurance
Marriage Equality

he would have still been a Democrat.

Again, I gave my reasons for supporting Democrats and why almost the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican in Post Twenty .

[McCamy Taylor]

22. The primary is part of how we win the general. We have to thump our chests and get

extremely excited over our candidates and call all the other candidates "poo-heads" and similar names until Phillie when we all magically come together. If we don't get excited, then our base stays home in the fall. So, we need to make it a really good food fight. Meaning that all the Hillary-bashers should continue their bashing. Seriously. Yes, I know I complain about the bashing. It is part of the Democratic primary process, you bashing and me complaining about the bashing.

The worst thing of all would be if no one gave a damn. Eeks! That would mean a certain GOP victory.

[99Forever]

25. Some of us have integrity.

We hold WHAT the candidate actually is, to be more important than what team they pretend to play for.

That's called having moral standards and ethics.

[McCamy Taylor]

27. Or what they Hope the candidate stands for?

I mention this because Obama has pretty much done exactly what he said he would do, and it has angered a lot of his supporters who seemed to be under the impression that he was only saying all that stuff to get elected.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I believe a lot of folks on this site are angry ...

I believe a lot of folks on this site are angry at him for not doing things he never said he would do like ending capitalism and refusing to use military force in any conceivable situation.

The only folks who believed that beside some of the denizens on this site were the Tea Baggers who labeled him as a "Kenyan, anti-imperialist, socialist."

[99Forever]

31. Do you really want to go there?

Seriously?

No mam, Barack Obama HASN'T "done exactly what he said he would do" in a number of instances. As a matter of fact, his FAILURE at doing so, is the precise reason Hillary Goldman Sachs MIC Clinton will never receive the support of actual progressives.

Just how stupid do you think we are?

[Autumn]

29. Good for you. One should ALWAYS vote their conscience. I know I will.

You carry on...

[RandiFan1290]

32. I wonder how many Reagancrats post this crap

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Ad hominem attacks roll off DemocratSinceBirth like "water off a duck's ass."

I will see your and raise you a

#lol@me