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sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:19 PM Feb 2015

An Unusual Friendship - Lincoln & Frederick Douglass

By William Connery
william.connery@verizon.net
4-10-5

SUPPORTING LINCOLN

In spite of the seeming pro-slavery policy of the Lincoln administration, Douglass was earnestly working in the President,s support. He was wise enough to understand that if Lincoln in the beginning, had stated his policy to be, not only to save the Union, but also to free the slaves, all would have been lost. In his speeches Douglass always emphasized "the mission of the war was the liberation of the slaves as well as the salvation of the Union. I reproached the North that they fought with one hand, while they might fight more effectively with two; that they fought with the soft white hand, while they kept the black iron hand chained and helpless behind them; that they fought the effect, while they protected the cause; and said that the Union cause would never prosper until the war assumed an anti-slavery attitude and the Negro was enlisted on the side of the Union."

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It was decided not to give the black soldiers the same pay as that allowed to the white troops. Negro soldiers were to receive only seven dollars per month. Regular pay was $13 a month. Douglass was distressed by the restrictions put upon these soldiers, but said, "While I, of course, was deeply pained and saddened by the estimate thus put upon my race, and grieved at the slowness of heart which marked the conduct of the loyal government, I was not discouraged and urged every man who would enlist to get an eagle on his button, a musket on his shoulder, and the star and spangle over his head." Only through black participation in the war, he believed, could abolition and full citizenship for Negroes be established.

VISITING LINCOLN

In July 1863, Douglass met with Lincoln in the White House to redress the grievances that the black troops were suffering as second-class citizens. It was unheard of for a colored man to go to the White House with a grievance. But he had many influential friends and admirers in Washington, and Senators Sumner, Wilson, and Pomeroy; Secretary of the Treasury Chase, Assistant Secretary of War Dana all guaranteed safe passage into Lincoln,s presence. Senator Pomeroy introduced Douglass to the President and they soon found that they had much in common. The one had traveled a long hard path from the slave cabin of Maryland, and the other a thorny road from the scant and rugged life of Kentucky, to the high position of President. The one was too great to be a slave, and the other too noble to remain, in such a national crisis, a private citizen.

Douglass stated three complaints to the President: that colored troops be paid the same as white troops; that they be fairly treated, especially when captured by the Confederates (some colored troops had been summarily executed or sent into slavery); and that colored troops should receive the same promotions as whites, when their valor in battle demanded it. A few days later, President Lincoln issued an order "that for every soldier of the United States killed in violation of the laws of war, a rebel soldier shall be executed; and for every one enslaved by the enemy or sold into slavery, a rebel soldier shall be placed at hard labour on the public works."

Read More: http://rense.com/general63/friend.htm

I have read about Frederick Douglas and wanted to learn more after I saw this.

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Overview

Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln were the preeminent self-made men of their time. In this masterful dual biography, award-winning Harvard University scholar John Stauffer describes the transformations in the lives of these two giants during a major shift in cultural history, when men rejected the status quo and embraced new ideals of personal liberty. As Douglass and Lincoln reinvented themselves and ultimately became friends, they transformed America.


Lincoln was born dirt poor, had less than one year of formal schooling, and became the nation's greatest president. Douglass spent the first twenty years of his life as a slave, had no formal schooling-in fact, his masters forbade him to read or write-and became one of the nation's greatest writers and activists, as well as a spellbinding orator and messenger of audacious hope, the pioneer who blazed the path traveled by future African-American leaders.


At a time when most whites would not let a black man cross their threshold, Lincoln invited Douglass into the White House. Lincoln recognized that he needed Douglass to help him destroy the Confederacy and preserve the Union; Douglass realized that Lincoln's shrewd sense of public opinion would serve his own goal of freeing the nation's blacks. Their relationship shifted in response to the country's debate over slavery, abolition, and emancipation.


Both were ambitious men. They had great faith in the moral and technological progress of their nation. And they were not always consistent in their views. John Stauffer describes their personal and political struggles with a keen understanding of the dilemmas Douglass and Lincoln confronted and the social context in which they occurred. What emerges is a brilliant portrait of how two of America's greatest leaders lived.


http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/giants-john-stauffer/1102547975?ean=9780446698986

The author John Stauffer will be discussing his book here on February 25.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. thank you for the book recommendation and the post
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:27 PM
Feb 2015

Douglass was indeed a brilliant man, who understood that politics is not always about voting for the best candidate, but the best AVAILABLE candidate. I hope all the "I would never vote for Hillary because" types read the post and recognize that Douglass' words are always relevant.

Douglas never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I wish more Democrats understood what that means.

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
2. Frankly....
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:37 PM
Feb 2015
"Douglas never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I wish more Democrats understood what that means."


I am in awe of your posts and am so glad you are here, guillaumed. I agree with you on the people that say they will never vote for Hillary. Sadly they are one in the same that never post a positive thread about this President as well. They never laud a positive only give hateful negatives.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. and I return the compliment
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:52 PM
Feb 2015

and say again that I really like the way you combine words and images to make your points. Your post about the woman nursing a baby left me at a complete loss of words to describe how it made me feel. And anyone who knows me also knows that I am rarely at a loss for words.

Simply a stunning, disturbing, wrenching image.

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
6. Thank you freshwest.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:46 AM
Feb 2015

I wish I could attend the discussion on the 25th. I work that night. Even if I didn't the roads are hazardous here right now. So much snow. You cannot see to get out of any side streets or merge with traffic on the highways. It's crazy here more snow this week, snow this weekend as well, it could be another foot.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. We studied a lot about Douglass and many others in my high school history class.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:17 AM
Feb 2015

I'm not sure why in other places the history of AA's was not included. Our books went through the horrors of the slave trade, the state by state battles that eventually brought about the Civil War, the KKK and their part in the failure of Reconstruction, the great pushback, Jim Crow, Poll Tests and the continuing harrassment of blacks to keep them from voting and all of that.

Including some of the pictures of the rampant murder of AA's all the way through this century, and the carnival of death and genocide gladly committed.

The books went into the fall of the KKK, its resurgence using
'Birth of a Nation' to recruit. And how pervasive every level of local governments and the police were involved in so many of the crimes of the KKK across the USA.

We learned this. We knew about black women being raped, bred for profit by plantation owners. Yet amnesia prevails today, and denials.

IDK what happened to history classes after I left public school, but was told the great dumbing down was part of Nixon's plan. All of this should be taught to all students and this story you give you here, shows that the war was for freeing the slaves.

Imagine what our lives would have been if Lincoln had never been able to enforce his EO on the Emancipation Proclaimation and those amendments were not passed. We have enjoyed some sense of freedom, but the forces of feudalism never rest.

And sorry about that tiresome snow. It has clearly worn out its welcome now.

and stay safe and warm... as you can.

brer cat

(24,572 posts)
3. Thanks for letting us know about this book, sheshe.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:07 PM
Feb 2015

It sounds fascinating, and I look forward to reading it.

K&R

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
9. don't forget Douglass' association with Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 05:08 PM
Feb 2015

Elizabeth Cady Stanton (1815-1902) was a leading figure in the early woman’s rights movement and an abolitionist. She organized the Seneca Falls Convention in 1848, worked for universal suffrage with the American Equal Rights Association between 1866 and 1869, and revived the woman’s movement after the Civil War. She wrote the National Woman Suffrage Association’s “Declaration and Protest” in 1876, campaigned for woman’s suffrage with the National Woman Suffrage Association until 1890 and led the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA) until 1892. But by 1895, she was an outsider within the women’s movement—alienated from the mainstream by her support for liberalized divorce laws and reproductive self-determination. “I am a leader in thought, rather than numbers,” she acknowledged in 1888, before resigning the presidency of the NAWSA in January 1892.

In 1895 she wrote a public letter on the occasion of Frederick Douglass’s death. Fellow activist Susan B. Anthony read the letter at Douglass’s funeral in Washington, D.C., on February 25, as Stanton was unable to attend. The letter points to Douglass’s work on behalf of woman’s rights. That activism began in 1848 when Douglass signed the “Declaration of Sentiments” at the Seneca Falls Convention and was the only man to speak in favor of Stanton’s resolution demanding woman suffrage. At a critical moment when delegates wavered, Stanton asked him to speak. She later recalled: “I knew Frederick, from personal experience, was just the man for the work.” The resolution passed and Douglass would later express pride at this early support of woman’s rights: “There are few facts in my humble history to which I look back with more satisfaction than to the fact… that I was sufficiently enlightened at that early day, and when only a few years from slavery, to support your resolution for woman suffrage…. When I ran away from slavery, it was for myself; when I advocated emancipation, it was for my people; but when I stood up for the rights of women, self was out of the question, and I found a little nobility in the act.”

Douglass was not the only abolitionist who campaigned for woman’s rights: Frances Wright, the Grimké sisters, Wendell Phillips, Theodore Parker, Henry Ward Beecher, and Parker Pillsbury were all active in the movement. Many observed connections between slavery and the situation of free women in America. Abby Kelley observed: “We have good cause to be grateful to the slave, for the benefit we have received to ourselves, in working for him. In striving to strike his irons off, we found most surely that we were manacled ourselves.” J. Elizabeth Jones declared that women were slaves, “politically and legally,” and Angelina Grimké remembered: “For many years I felt as I was compelled to drag the chain and wear the collar on my struggling spirit as truly as the poor slave was on his body.” Then, in 1871, Victoria Woodhull argued that the Thirteenth Amendment had emancipated women; that the abolition of slavery had enfranchised women.

But woman’s rights activists were thrown by the Fourteenth Amendment. “If that word ‘male’ be inserted as now proposed, it will take us a century at least to get it out again,” warned Stanton. Excluded from the Fifteenth Amendment too, women recognized that the universal suffrage movement had failed them. So too had Douglass. Between 1865 and 1870, he split from woman’s rights activists over the question of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. Douglass and most abolitionists called it the “Negro’s Hour,” while Stanton and others were furious at the exclusion of women. Douglass only resumed fighting for woman’s rights after the passage of the Fifteenth Amendment. Stanton tried to bring an end to the hostility between race activists and woman’s rights campaigners with her 1869 article “Women and Black Men,” and Douglass reaffirmed himself as a “woman's rights man” with an article of October 1870 demanding women’s suffrage. In 1888 he even called woman’s rights a more important cause than abolition, explaining: “My special mission… was the emancipation and enfranchisement of the negro. Mine was a great cause. Yours is a much greater cause, since it comprehends the liberation and elevation of one half of the whole human family.”

Douglass himself tried to draw a line from abolitionism and woman’s rights, insisting in 1888: “this woman suffrage movement is but a continuance of the old anti-slavery movement…. The fundamental proposition of the woman suffrage movement is scarcely less simple than that of the anti-slavery movement. It assumes that woman is herself. That she belongs to herself.” So in February 1895, Stanton offered Douglass’s activism as an “object lesson.” Douglass was “not dead,” she concluded, because the woman’s rights struggle was not yet won.


read: http://antislavery.eserver.org/legacies/frederick-douglass-elizabeth-cady-stanton

read letter: http://antislavery.eserver.org/legacies/frederick-douglass-elizabeth-cady-stanton/frederick-douglass-elizabeth-cady-stanton-xhtml.html

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
10. Thanks bigtree~
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 05:21 PM
Feb 2015
“My special mission… was the emancipation and enfranchisement of the negro. Mine was a great cause. Yours is a much greater cause, since it comprehends the liberation and elevation of one half of the whole human family.”


“this woman suffrage movement is but a continuance of the old anti-slavery movement…. The fundamental proposition of the woman suffrage movement is scarcely less simple than that of the anti-slavery movement. It assumes that woman is herself. That she belongs to herself.”

Good to see you.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
11. for some reason
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 05:24 PM
Feb 2015

I saw the title and thought it was about Stephen Douglass.

But, after that Democratic candidate came in 2nd (after the Southern Democrats sorta pulled a Nader by nominating John Breckenridge) he died on 3 Jun 1861 in Chicago.

Interesting election, as Democrats beat Lincoln with the popular vote, but even without Breckenridge, Lincoln would have won the electoral college. At least as Dave Leip has it

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html

Lincoln-Hamlin - 1.86 million, 180 EV
Douglas-H. Johnson - 1.38 million 12 EV
Breckenridge - Lane - .85 million 72 EV
Bell-Everett - .59 million 39 EV

Talk about a divided nation (and/or a rigged election). Lincoln won most of the northern states by over 50% but got 0% in all of the southern states. Perhaps because he was kept off the ballot, but maybe not because he only got 2.48% of the vote in Maryland and 10.28% in Missouri (where he was apparently on the ballot).

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