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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:01 AM Feb 2015

Hillary's stance on Women's rights

First a few disclaimers since this is my first OP about the 2016 election and potential candidates...

- Uncontested primaries suck.
- I am not in anyone's camp at this time.
- I hate lies and misrepresentations.
- I will vote for the democratic nominee.

Now that those are out of the way let's try this again...

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Hillary's stance on Women's rights:

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Eight years after shying away from the historic nature of her campaign, Hillary Clinton is putting women at the center of her agenda as she contemplates a second bid to become the nation's first woman president.

In recent weeks, Clinton has trumpeted equal pay for women in speeches and panel discussions across the country.

She has also called for a “movement” to help women at work, arguing that women face not only a “glass ceiling” but a floor that could collapse underneath them, erasing the gains made to win equality between the sexes.
And this week, she announced a new $600 million effort through the Clinton Global Initiative to help disadvantaged girls attend secondary school. Read More...


Plan B: Fought for years to get “Plan B” contraceptive on the market

In the last few years, we’ve seen major breakthroughs in research and effectiveness of contraceptives. For example, Plan B is a new emergency contraceptive that can prevent a pregnancy after another contraceptive has failed or after unprotected sex. I fought for years to get Plan B on the market, so that fewer women will face the choice of abortion. It is now available for over-the-counter use by adult women. I have proposed Prevention First, a bill that focuses on prevention of unwanted pregnancies through comprehensive education, emphasizing responsible decision-making and expanded access to contraception. With these efforts, it’s my hope that the abortion rate will fall further.
Source: 2006 intro to It Takes A Village, by H. Clinton, p.301 , Dec 12, 2006

Abortion: "Keep abortion safe, legal & rare into next century"

On January 22, 1999, Hillary took an unprecedented step for a first lady by delivering a speech to NARAL, the National Abortion Rights Action League, the premier advocacy group for legal, unrestricted abortion. Speaking to the group in DC, she stated her goal of “keeping abortion safe, legal and rare into the next century,” a slogan that would become the mantra for her position. She shared revealing remarks beyond conventional pro-choice sentiments: “I have never met anyone who is pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. Being pro-choice is trusting the individual to make the right decision for herself and her family, and not entrusting the decision to anyone wearing the authority of government in any regard.”
Source: God and Hillary Clinton, by Paul Kengor, p.191 , Jul 18, 2007

RU486 Availability: 1993 Health plan included RU-486 & widely available abortion.

Mrs. Clinton, during her efforts to revolutionize the health care industry, said 1993 that under her plan, abortion services “would be widely available.” This prompted anxieties over the prospect of taxpayer-funded abortions, sparking the Coates Amendment, which sought to strip abortion funding from the plan.
The first lady allowed for a “conscience exemption” in which doctors and hospitals would not be forced to perform abortions. Pro-lifers were relieved; still, they could not fathom that their tax dollars might be used to find what they saw as the deliberate destruction of innocent human life.
Mrs. Clinton’s words also ignited fears among moderate and conservative Christians over the availability of the abortion pill, RU-486, under her health care plan. One of her husband’s first acts in office was to push the pill to market through an expedited FDA approval process that was criticized by pro-lifers as allegedly too quick for the safety of the women who would take the pill.
Source: God and Hillary Clinton, by Paul Kengor, p.124-125 , Jul 18, 2007

Supreme Court: Yes it Matters... Overturning Roe v. Wade

Q: What kind of justice to the Supreme Court would you support?

A: I think the fate of the Supreme Court hangs in the balance. If we take Gov. Bush at his word, his two favorite Justices are Scalia and Thomas, both of whom are committed to overturning Roe v. Wade, ending a woman’s right to choose. I could not go along with that. In the Senate, I will be looking very carefully at the constitutional views [indicating] as to what that nominee believes about basic, fundamental, constitutional rights.

Source: Senate debate in Manhattan Oct 8, 2000

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Hillary has even been rated by some organizations which are liberal/progressive or even conservative in nature and just for the heck of it here are those ratings:

National Right to Life Committee - Positions 0%
NARAL Pro-Choice America - Positions 100%
National Organization for Women - Positions 100%
Planned Parenthood Action Fund - Positions 100%
Democrats for Life of America - Positions 0%
National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association - Positions 93%
Population Action International - Positions on Reproductive Health 100%
Human Rights Campaign - Positions 95%
American Civil Liberties Union - Positions 75%
National Breast Cancer Coalition - Positions 100%
Source.


Oh facts... you are always such a pain in the ass.
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Hillary's stance on Women's rights (Original Post) Agschmid Feb 2015 OP
No replies to this thread? murielm99 Feb 2015 #1
Check a clock. DU slows down around this time of night. winter is coming Feb 2015 #4
Probably because it's a duplicate thread topic today. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #9
Shelf life? I guess we should also disregard her Iraq war vote, winter is coming Feb 2015 #21
I was commenting on the relevancy of her voting record analysis AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #23
Sorry; that wasn't clear to me from the post I responded to. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #30
I'd argue the posts are not quite the same... but yes it was a dupe on purpose. Agschmid Feb 2015 #59
Yup. Versus Jeb, who tried to get a guardian appointed for the fetus of a disabled rape victim. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #2
Jeb Bush is a neocon hateful human being Ramses Feb 2015 #17
An election is in fact a contest and a 'versus' argument. That's exactly what an election is. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #70
Under Jeb, FL "Stand your Ground" law Iliyah Feb 2015 #19
I just went over murielm99 Feb 2015 #3
Congrats on over 14,000 DU posts! Agschmid Feb 2015 #61
Thanks for this thread. kiva Feb 2015 #5
I doubt it will remain unattended for much longer. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #7
I feel you. Agschmid Feb 2015 #62
Well done!!! NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #6
KnR! sheshe2 Feb 2015 #8
Thank you. William769 Feb 2015 #10
"Safe legal and rare" is stigmatizing and pandering. LeftyMom Feb 2015 #11
I totally agree with you. Exhibit A Feb 2015 #12
It works as a phrase because different people hear different things. LeftyMom Feb 2015 #14
When I hear the term rare it means this to me... Agschmid Feb 2015 #63
yes it is. Hillary doesn't think so. Ramses Feb 2015 #13
If all women had full access to birth control, abortions would indeed be rare. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #44
No it is not. Abortion IS rare in countries providing full access to birth control. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #48
it is. nt m-lekktor Feb 2015 #50
I think by "rare" she's referring to greater access to contraception. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #76
.... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #15
see my post 13 Ramses Feb 2015 #16
GOP talking point. The smell of this first thing in the morning is disgusting! leftofcool Feb 2015 #49
It would certainly make it easier to deal with than all the piecemeal OP's... Agschmid Feb 2015 #64
And 51% of the population knows. Women's rights promote peace. freshwest Feb 2015 #18
Agreed. William769 Feb 2015 #20
Thank you William, for your steadfast support for women, you always bring tears to my eyes. Kudos. freshwest Feb 2015 #22
To me, women are one of our national treasures. William769 Feb 2015 #24
Hillary voted for a war based on lies that killed half a million women in Iraq Ramses Feb 2015 #25
"Tell us how you feel about that." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #33
so you speak for other posters here...hmmmm? Ramses Feb 2015 #37
You seem shook. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #39
care to respond and not put words in my mouth? Ramses Feb 2015 #40
I opposed the IWR DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #41
Why do you think less abortions is a bad thing? zappaman Feb 2015 #51
We're all still waiting./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #60
kick Phentex Feb 2015 #81
Probably one of the nicest things I've ever read on DU. No, it is the nicest thing. Thanks! freshwest Feb 2015 #32
Such a nice thing to say! greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #69
Nah, they will just blame Obama Iliyah Feb 2015 #26
I'm not in anyone's camp, either.. Hillary is great on Women's Rights.. and Cha Feb 2015 #27
Nicely done! MADem Feb 2015 #28
This is one of the two issues on which Hillary is strong: women. The second issue is children. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #29
Women and children is more than half the world. And it is those most in need of help. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #36
Makes total sense... and that is why uncontested primaries suck. Agschmid Feb 2015 #65
Add to that her work on human trafficking BainsBane Feb 2015 #31
Well said, BB. freshwest Feb 2015 #34
Women count! Their issues count! McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #35
Truth indeed! freshwest Feb 2015 #43
Damn straight. Most of the impoverished are women and children. nt Hekate Feb 2015 #47
But they are told to wait at the end of the line for perfection that may never arrive. freshwest Feb 2015 #53
what was so good about 2000 then? pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #38
Extra kick. To make up for the thread with the misleading title. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #42
Indeed. nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #45
kick Phentex Feb 2015 #58
Kick, Rec, and 1000 Thanks. Hekate Feb 2015 #46
Explains why Saudi Arabia donated all the cash to her foundation - they're women's rights champions! Scuba Feb 2015 #52
Pandering. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #54
K&R. Nice job on the disclaimers. n/t FSogol Feb 2015 #55
I've never really had a problem with her women's rights stances Bettie Feb 2015 #56
It's not her record on women's rights LWolf Feb 2015 #57
Someone was trying to make it the problem... and it was laughable. Agschmid Feb 2015 #66
Me, either. LWolf Feb 2015 #68
kick Phentex Feb 2015 #67
Kick kiva Feb 2015 #71
I think hopefully we all get the point of the second thread... Agschmid Feb 2015 #72
Kicketty Hekate Feb 2015 #73
K&R nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #74
Kick and Recommended ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #75
Sometimes I post more than one line, but it's rare. Agschmid Feb 2015 #78
K&R! JaneyVee Feb 2015 #77
and Facts are FACTS..... and Bullshit....is still Bovine Feces... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #79
Kick emulatorloo Feb 2015 #80

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
4. Check a clock. DU slows down around this time of night.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:30 AM
Feb 2015

And lengthy OPs that are informative rather than provocative tend to garner fewer replies.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
9. Probably because it's a duplicate thread topic today.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:02 AM
Feb 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6245222

Plus a lot of the bullet points have exceeded shelf life. Her voting record upon which rests much of the data posted is now some 7 years old.


winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
21. Shelf life? I guess we should also disregard her Iraq war vote,
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:51 AM
Feb 2015

since it's also more than 7 years old?

I can understand people who object to the "safe, legal, and rare" language as being stigmatizing and pandering, but I don't think "shelf life" is appropriate unless the information is outdated because Hillary has changed. Example: I think it's absurd to fixate on her time as a Goldwater Girl.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
23. I was commenting on the relevancy of her voting record analysis
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:58 AM
Feb 2015

as it relates to the OP topic. The problem with the data is that it precludes consideration of the horrible blowback for women caught in the midst of a warzone.

Her IWR vote remains a deal breaker for many, including me.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
17. Jeb Bush is a neocon hateful human being
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:42 AM
Feb 2015

NO ONE is supporting him here. He is a despicable man, and I remember the Shiavo case as well. This isnt a contest or versus argument.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
70. An election is in fact a contest and a 'versus' argument. That's exactly what an election is.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Feb 2015

Sorry to break it to you.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
3. I just went over
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:26 AM
Feb 2015

14,000 posts and did not realize it. Hi, Agschmnid. Thanks for all the effort you put into this informative post.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
5. Thanks for this thread.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:32 AM
Feb 2015

I'm also in no one's camp, and hate deliberate misrepresentation.

After reading the other thread I worry about that unguarded bridge out there

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
11. "Safe legal and rare" is stigmatizing and pandering.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:10 AM
Feb 2015

We live in a country with an access problem: many women who need an abortion can't get one. We know that their health outcomes, relationships and future economic stability are negatively impacted.

Rare is bullshit. Birth control is imperfect, coercion happens, pregnancies go wrong, circumstances change. Abortion is needed health care, period.

Exhibit A

(318 posts)
12. I totally agree with you.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:16 AM
Feb 2015

Abortion is a positive choice and does not need to be rare, except in the sense that I'm sure most women would prefer to avoid the need for it by avoiding unwanted pregnancy in the first place. I think the "rare" part comes from having allowed the anti-choicers to frame abortion as being about the fetus, and we need to keep the emphasis on the woman and what is best for/desirable to her.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
14. It works as a phrase because different people hear different things.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:27 AM
Feb 2015

Squishy liberals hear "reduce unwanted pregnancies" and squishy cons hear "we won't make you have your rapist's flipper baby if you have eclampsia"or whatever they think is rare enough to not be frivolous.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
63. When I hear the term rare it means this to me...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:07 AM
Feb 2015
I'm sure most women would prefer to avoid the need for it by avoiding unwanted pregnancy in the first place


Which is what you said above.
 

Ramses

(721 posts)
13. yes it is. Hillary doesn't think so.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:25 AM
Feb 2015

And her words are coming back to haunt her. Hillary is deceptive in knowing that millions of women are forced into unwanted pregnancies by rape, incest, broken condoms and numerous other instances. She also knows that abortion is not a choice for millions of American women that live in backward states that dint give a shit about womens rights. It should not be up to Hillary to declare that abortion should be "rare". What a condescending attitude that she displays to other women.

She is disingenuous to say the least

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
44. If all women had full access to birth control, abortions would indeed be rare.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:44 AM
Feb 2015

That is the point of that line. It is not condescending or disingenuous. I too think abortions should be safe, legal and rare. I think abortions should be rare not because I think access to abortion should be denied, but because the reasons for needing an abortion (namely lack of access to birth control, poverty, rape) should be minimized.

Saying abortions should be rare is no more a condemnation of abortion than saying iron lung use should be rare is a condemnation of iron lung machines. Both are potentially life saving treatments whose necessity could and should be prevented. Simple preventive measures, like birth control or polio vaccination, could and should make these medical treatments rare.

I have been in the abortion rights movement since the 1970s. The line that "abortions should be safe, legal and rare" has been repeatedly stated by feminists fighting for women's rights and for abortion rights in particular. President Bill Clinton said it. President Obama said it.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/28/obama.tough.question/

As Susan Cohen stated in an excellent Guttmacher Institute piece,

Where contraceptive use is high, abortion can be legal and widely available, and still relatively rare. The lowest abortion rates in the world can be found in western and northern Europe, where abortion has been legal for decades but access to contraception is widespread. In the United States, the story is similar. In 1973, right after abortion was legalized nationwide, the U.S. abortion rate increased somewhat as safe legal abortions replaced unsafe illegal ones. The rate peaked in 1981 and has been on a steady decline since then to 19 per 1,000 women aged 15–44 today, its lowest level since 1974.

https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/12/4/gpr120402.html

With expanded access to birth control thanks to the ACA, the unintended pregnancy rate, and thus the abortion rate, should continue its decline.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
48. No it is not. Abortion IS rare in countries providing full access to birth control.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 05:00 AM
Feb 2015

See my post #44..

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
15. ....
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:35 AM
Feb 2015
- Right. It's a real stretch for Hils to be a Democrat who is for women's rights, as is the majority of the sane citizens of this country. Whoo-wee, you go gurl!!!



 

Ramses

(721 posts)
16. see my post 13
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:38 AM
Feb 2015

Hillary is disingenuous and the people she caters to are the 1%. If she cared about women's rights, she wouldnt have voted for a war based on lies that killed hundreds of thousands of women in IRAQ alone.

Hillary supports policies that are destructive to women around the world. Both economically and socially.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
49. GOP talking point. The smell of this first thing in the morning is disgusting!
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 05:59 AM
Feb 2015

Can you just post a long list of GOP talking points about Hillary all in the same thread then we will have them all together.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. And 51% of the population knows. Women's rights promote peace.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:47 AM
Feb 2015


After witnessing the impact of President Bush's reinstatement of the Global Gag Rule, Michelle Goldberg, journalist, author, and long-time critic of the Bush Administration's policies on sexual and reproductive health, decided that a book about the global battle for reproductive justice was long overdue.

So she wrote
The Means of Reproduction: Sex, Power, and the Future of the World. [17]

The cover art depicting a woman holding the Earth on her shoulders is more than appropriate for this deeply-researched, historically-informed examination: fifty years worth of research about four continents has convinced Goldberg that women's oppression is at the crux of many of the world's most intractable challenges. She illustrates how US policies act as a catalyst for or an impediment to women's rights worldwide, and puts forth a convincing argument that women's liberation worldwide is key to solving some of our most daunting problems.

"Underlying diverse conflicts - demography, natural resources, human rights, and religious mores - is the question of who controls the means of reproduction," she writes. "Women's intimate lives have become inextricably tied to global forces."


http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2009/03/23/controlling-means-reproduction-an-interview-with-michelle-goldberg/

The war on women is not just a war on women, but on men, too. Men who don't support women's rights are sealing their own fate.

Not just an American problem. It is about global control and reducing all of mankind to commodities.

Let's not kid ourselves, the wars of the world are the product of the wombs of the world being abused by those who seek power. By using women to make cannon fodder and act as an unpaid labor force or as slaves.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110212801

If one wants peace, income equality, social justice and to save the environment, the way to get it is to empower women in terms of their own bodies and lives. That is why they are under such dire attack today, from the Koch GOP media in the USA promoting feudal fantasies and laws to the Daesh and the Boko Harum.

This is the backdoor issue some disregard as it does not fit their ideology. If one cannot embrace the giving the power progressives in the 70s and beyond, and what Hillary has striven to give in basic women's rights, they are dead to the real revolution.

Because this is a new paradigm and it is a global revolution, but it is not given the attention it deserves. We cannot ignore the half of the world population that just so happens to be female.

JMHO.

William769

(55,147 posts)
20. Agreed.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:51 AM
Feb 2015

Some people here can't see the forest because of the trees.


And for the I will never under any circumstance vote for Hillary crowd.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
25. Hillary voted for a war based on lies that killed half a million women in Iraq
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:08 AM
Feb 2015

Tell us how you feel about that.

Tell us how you feel about her support of the coup in Honduras in 2009 that killed countless women and children that flee that country to this day.

Tell us how you feel about that.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
33. "Tell us how you feel about that."
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:49 AM
Feb 2015

You like apples

William doesn't have to tell you how he feels about anything if he doesn't want to.

How do you like them apples?

As to the IWR vote I'm sure that's a vote a lot of Democrats would like back including Joe Biden and John Kerry who Barack Obama made one and four heartbeats away from the Oval Office.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
37. so you speak for other posters here...hmmmm?
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:53 AM
Feb 2015

His silence speaks volumes, as does your empty response. An attempt at distraction and diversion. A common tactic.

here let me post Hillary Clintons words again

Abortion is "a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women," said Clinton. Then she went further: "There is no reason why government cannot do more to educate and inform and provide assistance so that the choice guaranteed under our constitution either does not ever have to be exercised or only in very rare circumstances."

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
39. You seem shook.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:57 AM
Feb 2015

If you believe abortions should be plentiful there's nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion


I'm not a physician but I suspect using abortion in lieu of contraception as a form of birth control has to be hard on a woman's body.
 

Ramses

(721 posts)
40. care to respond and not put words in my mouth?
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:02 AM
Feb 2015

Hillary voted for a war based on lies that killed half a million women in Iraq

Tell us how you feel about that.

Tell us how you feel about her support of the coup in Honduras in 2009 that killed countless women and children that flee that country to this day.

Tell us how you feel about that.
greed kills

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
41. I opposed the IWR
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:07 AM
Feb 2015

That being said a lot of Democrats voted for it and that didn't disqualify them for public office. Would it be fair to hold one candidate to one standard and another candidate to another standard?

As to the Honduras coup the Secretary of State can't go to the bathroom without the president's permission.

Back to the topic at hand. Hillary said it's best for young teens to abstain from sex but if they have sex they should use protection. That strikes me as common sense advice. We're the Democratic party, not the Libertine party.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
26. Nah, they will just blame Obama
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:08 AM
Feb 2015

I have noticed a few posters changing the issue to bash Pres O and or Ms. Clinton and or Dems.

Cha

(297,269 posts)
27. I'm not in anyone's camp, either.. Hillary is great on Women's Rights.. and
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:14 AM
Feb 2015

maybe she's picking up a thing or two from her meetings with Elizabeth Warren that's been reported on.

Who knows? Too early for me.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
29. This is one of the two issues on which Hillary is strong: women. The second issue is children.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:20 AM
Feb 2015

Those are important issues to me. But Hillary's stances on so many other issues especially the poor judgment she has shown with regard to the use of military force, the company she keeps (people like Pete Peterson and Larry Summers to name only two of the worst of her and Bill's friends), some of her foreign policy views, her lack of real concern for the middle class and working people in America (opposition to raising the cap on people with high incomes for Social Security) is inconsistent with her professed support for women and children.

We should be talking about expanding Social Security to include a tax that would cover the cost of care for people facing death or needing long-term care, not about cutting social Security.

The problem for Hillary is that treating women and children as we/they need to be treated costs money, money that her friends on Wall Street who decide which corporate policies will be followed or supported and which not, whether the stocks of employers who treat women and children well will be favored or disfavored, think that treating women and children well costs too much.

Hillary faces some hard choices. One of them is whether she is serious enough about women's and children's issues to offend her friends on Wall Street.

I support Elizabeth Warren because I know that she does not hesitate to offend those in power when they do wrong, when they cheat and when they pinch pennies in ways that harm women and children.

It's fine to be pro-choice. It is quite a different matter for Hillary to tell her friends at Walmart to provide all their employees especially women and families with children with health insurance and a living wage so that they don't have to rely on public assistance of various types to raise their families.

Hillary's heart is in the right place on women and children's issues, but she is going to have to offend some of her friends if she is to put her whole self into supporting a better deal for women and children. When her friends on Wall Street sell derivatives and foreclose the dishonest loans they harnessed hapless homeowners into, Hillary needs to read them the riot act and support measures that will end those economic and business practices harmful to women and children. Instead Hillary has sold out women and children to the greedy among her supporters.

Sorry. I'm so tired tonight. I hope I am making sense.

Hillary cares about women and children's issues except when it might cost her the support of some of her campaign donors. That's my point.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
36. Women and children is more than half the world. And it is those most in need of help.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:52 AM
Feb 2015

I hate the way that "women's and children's issues" get pushed to the back burner. Those are the most important issues. Where does poverty start? In childhood.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
31. Add to that her work on human trafficking
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:38 AM
Feb 2015

and treating women's rights as human rights.

I agree that whatever one's position on a candidate, distortions are not appropriate. If one has to blatantly misrepresent a candidate's views to advance their position, it's time to reexamine that position.

Thanks for setting the record straight.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
35. Women count! Their issues count!
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:50 AM
Feb 2015

And in 2016, their votes will count, too.

I'm sick of being told that "women's issues" aka "social issues" do not count compared to the economy. Who lives in poverty? Women and their kids.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
53. But they are told to wait at the end of the line for perfection that may never arrive.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:12 AM
Feb 2015

And can't afford to sit these things out.

Life is lived in the present and not the future.

If you can't make it through the present, how can you have the luxury of waiting for a perfect future?

I find some of these things to come from a place of privilege, no matter how they are wrapped up to look otherwise.

What's the saying?

'Life is Earnest, Life is Real.' For some more than others, obviously.

We can't wait until they kill us off.

Hekate

(90,705 posts)
46. Kick, Rec, and 1000 Thanks.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:57 AM
Feb 2015

I wish I could Rec it more than once. It should be required reading for every history-denying DUer pitching a fit about Hillary.

Facts are indeed a pain in the

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
52. Explains why Saudi Arabia donated all the cash to her foundation - they're women's rights champions!
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 07:31 AM
Feb 2015

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
56. I've never really had a problem with her women's rights stances
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:09 AM
Feb 2015

I'm stuck on her adherence to whatever corporate interests want.

That is what concerns me, but I am starting to see that there will never be a candidate who isn't backed and owned by those powers who gets past a primary in either party.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
66. Someone was trying to make it the problem... and it was laughable.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:14 AM
Feb 2015

If I am going to be frustrated by Hillary Women's Rights is not going to be the issues that gets me there.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
68. Me, either.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:49 AM
Feb 2015

I'm a woman. Women's rights are important to me, personally and planet wide.

Social justice issues are important to me. As are economic justice issues. It's on economic justice that she fails.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
79. and Facts are FACTS..... and Bullshit....is still Bovine Feces...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:11 PM
Feb 2015
Hillary Clinton on Abortion

Issues where Jeb disagrees with Hillary Clinton. (Dec 2014)
Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care. (Apr 2008)
Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude. (Apr 2008)
Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy. (Apr 2008)
Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions. (Mar 2008)
Consistently uses Dem. Party line, "safe, legal, and rare". (Mar 2008)
1974: pro-choice fervency not based on any personal abortion. (Jul 2007)
1999: keep abortion safe, legal & rare into next century. (Jul 2007)
Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases. (Jun 2007)
1993:Early action on abortion rights ended Right’s dominance. (Jun 2007)
Personally would never abort; but deeply values choice. (Jun 2007)
Abortion is a sad, tragic choice to many women. (May 2007)
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too. (Nov 2006)
Partial birth exceptions for life-threatening abnormalities. (Apr 2006)
Government should have no role in abortion decision. (Oct 2005)
We can find common ground on abortion issue. (Sep 2005)
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania. (Nov 2003)
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice. (Oct 2000)
Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose. (Jan 2000)
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare. (Jan 1999)
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)

Contraception

1993 health plan included RU-486 & widely available abortion. (Jul 2007)
Fought for years to get “Plan B” contraceptive on the market. (Dec 2006)
Prevention First Act: federal funds for contraception. (Oct 2006)
Advocates birth control but OK with faith-based disagreement. (Nov 2003)
Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
Cairo Document: right to abortion but not as family planning. (Sep 1996)
No abortion for sex selection in China. (Apr 1996)

Voting Record

Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women. (Apr 2001)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)

Hillary Clinton on Civil Rights

Women in Public Service Project: 50% of officials by 2050. (Nov 2013)
1998: Hillary predicted female President in near future. (Oct 2007)
1962: met MLK Jr. preaching a sermon in Chicago. (Jul 2007)
1995: Politely criticized China’s human rights. (Jun 2007)
Developmental thread: tragedy of race must be made right. (Jun 2007)
Pushing for privacy bill of rights. (Jun 2006)
Professional woman AND hostess; feminist AND traditionalist. (Nov 2003)
Crack down on sex trafficking of women and girls. (Jan 2000)
Human rights are women’s rights. (Jan 2000)
Women’s rights are human rights. (Dec 1999)
Support National Endowment for the Arts. (Feb 1997)
Sex selection, prostitution & war rape: human rights issues. (Sep 1995)
Women's suffrage was 72-year struggle, but not a shot fired. (Sep 1993)

Affirmative Action

OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism". (Aug 2009)
Heads movement of women looking to America's true promise. (Aug 2009)
Equal pay is not yet equal. (Jan 2008)
MLK recognized that working within the system was necessary. (Jan 2008)
Compiled “Handbook on Legal Rights for Arkansas Women”. (Nov 2007)
Hillary wanted Bill’s cabinet to “Look Like America”. (Oct 2007)
Founded Vital Voices Initiative with Madeleine Albright. (Sep 2007)
1965: brought black classmates to all-white church. (Jul 2007)
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go. (Jun 2007)
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA. (Jun 2007)
Create a pipeline for more women in leadership. (Oct 2005)
1972: Worked with Edelman on school desegregation in South. (Nov 2003)
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now. (Oct 2000)
First chair of ABA Commission on Women and the Profession. (Aug 1999)
Raised issues of gender compensation gap at 1970s Rose Law. (Nov 1997)
Affirmative living: involve entire village against racism. (Sep 1996)

Gay Rights

I re-evaluated & changed my mind on gay marriage. (Jun 2014)
We have all evolved on gay marriage since 1990s. (Jun 2014)
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union. (Jun 2013)
I support gay marriage personally and as law. (Mar 2013)
Telling kids about gay couples is parental discretion. (Sep 2007)
Positive about civil unions, with full equality of benefits. (Aug 2007)
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds. (Aug 2007)
GLBT progress since 2000, when I marched in gay pride parade. (Aug 2007)
Supports DOMA, which Bill Clinton signed. (Jul 2007)
Don’t ask don’t tell was an important transition step. (Jun 2007)
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex. (May 2007)
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards. (Oct 2006)
Gay soldiers need to shoot straight, not be straight. (Nov 2003)
End hate crimes and other intolerance. (Sep 2000)
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits. (Feb 2000)
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation. (Dec 1999)

Voting Record

Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning. (Jan 2010)
Op-ed: Sposnored flag-burning bill for centrist credential. (May 2006)
Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all. (Aug 2000)
Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery. (Jun 2008)
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees. (Dec 2007)
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment. (Mar 2007)
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements. (Jan 2008)
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