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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 07:05 AM Feb 2015

One of the millions of Republicans who could lose Obamacare has a question for her governor

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/17/1364985/-One-of-the-millions-of-Republicans-could-lose-Obamacare-has-a-question-for-her-nbsp-governor

Meet one of the millions of white, employed Southerners who are most likely to lose health insurance if the Supreme Court strikes down the part of Obamacare that provides financial help to customers buying on the federal exchange. She's Erin Meredith, a 37-year-old fifth generation Republican in Texas, who was opposed to Obamacare as just another government handout, she told The Washington Post. Then she got divorced and lost her health insurance. Her job doesn't offer insurance. She was also diagnosed with a rare blood disorder that was leaving her with headaches and fatigue and potentially life-crippling medical bills. At a friend's urging, she checked out Healthcare.gov. For $89 a month, she has coverage.

Now that she has coverage, she doesn't want to lose it. "I can still feed my kids and put gas in my car," she said. "I'm not trying to go to Cancun or carry a Michael Kors bag. I drive a 2009 Mazda, and I'm just trying to make it in my little apartment and not be on government assistance."


She has an important question of her state's political leadership in the event the Supreme Court rules against her.

"If they're not going to participate in Obamacare and I'm not going to have these financial benefits, which will force me to pay $220 a month for coverage, do you know if Greg Abbott, our governor, has any plan to offer something comparable?" Meredith asked in an e-mail. "I understand and support his efforts to put Washington back in its place. I just don't want that to come at the cost of hard-working Texans and their ability to maintain medical coverage."

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One of the millions of Republicans who could lose Obamacare has a question for her governor (Original Post) eridani Feb 2015 OP
The answer is very simple. Turbineguy Feb 2015 #1
Even simpler GOP Health Care Plan... sorechasm Feb 2015 #2
Here is a commercial from Illinois about that Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2015 #16
"I understand and support his efforts to put Washington back in its place" Orrex Feb 2015 #3
Totally agree Politicalboi Feb 2015 #51
Zero sympathy. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #4
She'll probably vote to re-elect him TheFarseer Feb 2015 #8
Exactly! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #9
...and the horse she rode in on Major Nikon Feb 2015 #27
"Opposed to Obamacare as just another government handout.." bc she was told that.. until Cha Feb 2015 #5
And another republican suddenly realizes that ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #6
yep rbrnmw Feb 2015 #7
Serious props for the metaphor of 'musical chairs.' - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #17
Great comparison.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #21
I wrote a paper for an Ethics course ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #37
Clear enough to me. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #44
That course introduced me to Rawls' ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #45
Bookmarked for later. nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #46
I makes perfect sense to me, mountain grammy Feb 2015 #52
Sadly, it appears that she only "gets it" for this one thing SHE needs! Dustlawyer Feb 2015 #24
Exactly. Not a lot of sympathy from me. Ineeda Feb 2015 #32
Same thing happened to an old friend of mine... Phentex Feb 2015 #33
I have a conservative "friend" like that, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #40
No, you are giving her far too much credit LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #39
The lady should consider this a wake-up call. Vinca Feb 2015 #10
"Serves her right for divorcing her provider husband! Ilsa Feb 2015 #11
Pat Robertson agrees rpannier Feb 2015 #13
Glenn Grothman agrees too. Scuba Feb 2015 #18
I don't think you'd have to go far to find Republicans who would say just that. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #53
"I'm just trying to make it in my little apartment and not be on government assistance." FLSurfer Feb 2015 #12
True ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #42
Why do working class people vote republican? B Calm Feb 2015 #14
Because the Republicans have worked very, very hard to see to it that working class is no longer Volaris Feb 2015 #23
Health Care turbinetree Feb 2015 #15
Just like a Republican C_U_L8R Feb 2015 #19
She should have thought of that before she voted for that idiot. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #20
you get who/what you voted for irisblue Feb 2015 #22
Perfect example of the objectivism that's spread throughout right-wingnut world Roland99 Feb 2015 #25
Jesus Christ negoldie Feb 2015 #26
The "stupid" is strong in this one, Luke. SmittynMo Feb 2015 #28
..."fifth generation Republican". WTF? It's not in your DNA, lady. n/t LeftinOH Feb 2015 #29
For everyone who doesn't live in Texas or mountain grammy Feb 2015 #30
Her thought process : "Government cutbacks SUCK when they start affecting white people!!1!" bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #31
But Abbott is working hard for "open carry" DUgosh Feb 2015 #34
Maybe.... paleotn Feb 2015 #36
"who was opposed to Obamacare as just another government handout" paleotn Feb 2015 #35
I also note her characterization gratuitous Feb 2015 #47
Dummy JoePhilly Feb 2015 #38
Stupid asshole. I have no sympathy for her dumb ass. Fuck her and the horse she rode into Texas on ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2015 #41
I have to be brutal. ananda Feb 2015 #43
She should have thought of this before she voted for him. herding cats Feb 2015 #48
Welcome to reality. cui bono Feb 2015 #49
She's obviously mentally ill Doctor_J Feb 2015 #50

Turbineguy

(37,337 posts)
1. The answer is very simple.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 07:11 AM
Feb 2015

Tell her she will keep her coverage, it's only other, lesser, perhaps dark-skinned people, who will lose their coverage. She's a republican, she will believe it and be happy about it.

sorechasm

(631 posts)
2. Even simpler GOP Health Care Plan...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 07:50 AM
Feb 2015

"Don't get sick. If you do, die quickly so as not to become a burden to hard-working 'Muricans'."
She lost her status when she got sick. Fat chance any GOP politician will acknowledge her.

I feel for her.

Orrex

(63,214 posts)
3. "I understand and support his efforts to put Washington back in its place"
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:16 AM
Feb 2015

She supports his efforts to cut federal spending, but not if it's going to affect her.

Believe me, I sympathize with her plight, but it would be nice if her circumstances opened her eyes to the realities facing millions upon millions of people who aren't 5th-Gen Texas Republicans.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
27. ...and the horse she rode in on
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:49 AM
Feb 2015

Republicans can't seem to figure this shit out unless they are personally affected, which simply means they could give a shit about anyone but themselves.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
5. "Opposed to Obamacare as just another government handout.." bc she was told that.. until
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:22 AM
Feb 2015

unfortunately the perfect storm happened and she needed it. And, it happens all too many times to too many people.

Best to know what you're sniffing your nose at because you take repub pols and pundits at their word.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. And another republican suddenly realizes that ...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:28 AM
Feb 2015

she is that "undeserving them" that she cheered, loudly, when "they" were talking about affecting when "we put the federal government back in its place."

Funny how it works when the music stops and one finds themselves without a chair.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. I wrote a paper for an Ethics course ...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:15 AM
Feb 2015

while in Grad School arguing that the conservative ideology is fundamentally incompatible with (social) justice because of conservatism's focus on "deservedness." I went on to distinguish conservative from liberalism, as follows (summarizing):

It is a core recognition among liberals that "Bad things happen to good people"; in other words, sh!t happens ("anti-deservedness&quot . This core belief is selfishly manifested in the liberal's desire to establish and maintain (and pay for through shared taxation) a robust social safety net ... just in case they fall victim to that sh!t happening.

On the other hand, Conservatives do not hold that belief; quite the contrary, the conservative belief in "deservedness" holds that good things are earned through clean living, industriousness, and good decision making, and/but bad things are also earned through the lack of clean living, industriousness, good decision making. Therefore, conservatives refuse to allow themselves to see their needing a social safety net because it would be an admission that they, personal, could fail at the clean living, industriousness, and good decision making that purchases the good stuff. This manifests in their refusal to want any form of social safety net ... and a view that shared taxation is a poor decision, as it will go to the undeserving and detracts from their individual ability to benefit from the fruits of their clean living, industriousness, and good decision making.

(I realize this is a jumbled mess with run on sentences and unexplained gaps ... I'm writing this while in a hurry. I hope people will understand what I'm am saying)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
45. That course introduced me to Rawls' ...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:49 PM
Feb 2015

Veil of Ignorance Theory of Justice (http://www.law-review.mk/pdf/07/Hristina%20Runcheva.pdf)... and I was hooked, as it put to words what I had struggled for decades to articulate.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
52. I makes perfect sense to me,
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:00 AM
Feb 2015

and explains why conservatives, when suddenly faced with adversity, are so utterly clueless. I know people who are right wing republicans and receive every government benefit available to them because, somehow, they are worthy but others aren't.

Hard for me to sympathize when bad thing happen to conservatives. I don't believe in karma, but every now and then, it feels good to see a condescending conservative smacked in the face with reality

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
32. Exactly. Not a lot of sympathy from me.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:07 AM
Feb 2015

Saw a quote recently: "Privilege is when you think something is not a problem because it's not a problem to you personally." This goes across the board for all we've been fighting for. I've known many anti-choice women who become quietly and desperately (and often temporarily) pro-choice when they or their daughter or sister or their best friend have the need of an abortion. All help, of any kind, is scorned until they, themselves, need it. I'm sick to death of these cruel and selfish people.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
33. Same thing happened to an old friend of mine...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:15 AM
Feb 2015

I call her an old friend because I wouldn't be friends with her today if we didn't have such a long past together.

She was all anti-Obama/Democrats/liberal ANYTHING...until she lost her job. She had benefits for 6 months and was smug about finding another job quickly. But she had no idea how difficult that would prove to be. She did temp jobs for almost a year and had no benefits.

She turned to Obamacare and proclaimed it loud and proud.

Didn't sway her on much else but at least she stopped hissing.

She did find a new job with a crazy good health plan so I wonder how long it will be before she's back to the I-got-mine attitude.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. I have a conservative "friend" like that, too ...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:36 AM
Feb 2015

she was loudly opposed to any and everything liberal; but mostly, the federal government's interference in private businesses (regulation - hiss, hiss) and "ObumaCare (hiss, hiss)" ... until she was diagnosed with breast cancer and she had to threaten a lawsuit (at this liberal's urging) for her employer's refusal to provide her with Family Medical Leave (a federal protection).

And then, again, when at the 12 week and one day mark, when she lost her job (and health care insurance), she was able to access insurance through "ObumaCare", at significantly less than she was paying through COBRA.

And how, again, when she is engaged in a lawsuit (in federal court) because her former employer refused to hire her back into an advertised position (that was exactly what she had been doing for the company before her illness) because, &quot they) need someone they can count on being there long-term ... who knows when (her) cancer might return?"

Now, she is an activist for liberal causes. (I welcomed her into the boat ... and didn't even remind her that if left to her pre-conversion mindset, there wouldn't be a boat to climb in to.)

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
39. No, you are giving her far too much credit
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:33 AM
Feb 2015

She absolutely has not pieced together that she is that "undeserving them". She thinks she deserves it, but others don't. She still undoubtedly believes that other programs, that she doesn't happen to need now, should be cut -- those are for moochers and the 47% Takers.

And then after her care is cut, she'll STILL vote Republican.

Vinca

(50,276 posts)
10. The lady should consider this a wake-up call.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:57 AM
Feb 2015

Putting Washington "back in its place" means no benefits for average people. "Back in its place" means "operating for the corporations."

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
11. "Serves her right for divorcing her provider husband!
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:57 AM
Feb 2015

Even if he was a wife-beating, cheating, drunk gambler! If she had just stayed in her place, she'd still have coverage!" --- Her fellow heartless republicans




It's so easy to be a Republican when everything is going great.

FLSurfer

(431 posts)
12. "I'm just trying to make it in my little apartment and not be on government assistance."
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:58 AM
Feb 2015

She still doesn't get it.
In her little mind she still elevates herself above "them".
I wish her luck, with her critical thinking skills, she'll need it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
42. True ...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:50 AM
Feb 2015

she hasn't connected that the subsidy that she received that made her health insurance affordable IS "government assistance" ... And so is the program that allowed her, with a pre-existing condition, to get insurance in the first place.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
23. Because the Republicans have worked very, very hard to see to it that working class is no longer
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:47 AM
Feb 2015

Synonymous with THINKING class.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
15. Health Care
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:21 AM
Feb 2015

What she is forgetting is that when she has the deduction taken out of her pay check if she works that money is HER's in MEDICARE and SS, ABBOT and his crew wants to privatize this for outright greed, maybe she should wake-up and really start smelling the coffee and what the republicans in her party are doing to her and its not in her interests and she will probably keep voting against her own interests----go figure
And now that she has seen the everlasting light she should have asked this twit governor why not support a single payer system to really drive down the costs from the insurance companies.
Support and put Washington back in its place, she is the government and just may she should re-read the Constitution and the Pre-Amble, where it basically says that the government is suppose to support the general welfare, prosperity , establish justice for its people not just for the few.


C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
19. Just like a Republican
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:40 AM
Feb 2015

She didn't care until it mattered to her.

Is there some kind of unempathetic greed gene in the GOP or what?

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
22. you get who/what you voted for
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:46 AM
Feb 2015

I am so sorry, so sorry but your vote chose this. I wish you hadn't done this, but you chose this. elections have consequences

negoldie

(198 posts)
26. Jesus Christ
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:48 AM
Feb 2015

She is the epitome of I got mine and to hell with you. Not to wish ill....well to wish some ill, she needs to learn critical thinking skills before she blows BS out of her piehole. She doesn't deserve health care if she doesn't understand the struggle it took to get it. BTW even with insurance she may find herself in the same position I'm in: cancer and chemo is costly and time consuming. Two days a week and at least a 100k in debt. Now stick that in her piehole and see what BS she spits out.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
28. The "stupid" is strong in this one, Luke.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:50 AM
Feb 2015

This post makes me sick. She was opposed to the ACA, and then takes full advantage of something she didn't approve in the first place? WOW. And if Obama had another term, I guarantee she'd still vote against him. I too have zero tolerance for these ignorant, stupid people. If she loses the ACA, and thinks she'll only pay $220 a month, dream on.

Your monthly payment is based on income. If she surpasses 31K a year for a single person, (62K for a couple) she will have to pay the full price for insurance. For me and my wife, if we didn't have the ACA, we'd be paying 1240 a month, and that's for a bronze plan. Which mean no health care insurance, as no one can afford that. Just think though, she'd save the 2k in penalties too. LMAO

God, these people are so fricking stupid. They keep watching the lies on FAUX news and are completely brain washed. I don't feel sorry for these people at all.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
30. For everyone who doesn't live in Texas or
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:55 AM
Feb 2015

spent a lot of time there, you can only imagine. I've done both, and believe me, it's all propaganda all the time. It's a mindset like no other in America with a few closely gerrymandered, tiny pockets of Democrats. Compared to now, the Texas I lived in was far more progressive.

Hard to believe, this is the state that gave us Jim Hightower, Molly Ivins (gone but NEVER forgotten,) LBJ, Barbara Jordan, Anne Richards, Wendy Davis, the Castro brothers, and many more voices for truth and progress.

I love and admire every Texas progressive who has the courage and fortitude to live there. I never could again. I don't even like to visit. Hell, I don't even think I belong in America anymore.

DUgosh

(3,056 posts)
34. But Abbott is working hard for "open carry"
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:19 AM
Feb 2015

She'll be able to protect herself and family with that.

paleotn

(17,930 posts)
36. Maybe....
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:46 AM
Feb 2015

....but using the old "if you don't give me needed medical care, I'll shoot your ass" probably won't get her very far in a hospital ER. Though I have actually seen that at least threatened.

paleotn

(17,930 posts)
35. "who was opposed to Obamacare as just another government handout"
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:44 AM
Feb 2015

...I guess if they're not benefiting from it, it's a handout. If they are it's a god given right.

Much of this, particularly when it comes to voting against one's best interests, is rooted in southern social stratification. To this day we're still struggling with that antebellum bullshit. Those who think they work for all that they have, whether they actually do or not, naturally look down on minorities and those who find themselves dependent on government assistance. After all, if you're not "better" than those other, who are you better than? As though one actually NEEDS to be better than anyone else. It's a replacement for the now less acceptable racial cast system. Though that is by no means completely dead anywhere in America.

I so wish we could cut this cast crap out of our culture like a cancer, but unfortunately it's not that easy. It is incredibly difficult to get these unfortunate people, brainwashed by generations of cultural bullshit, to realize they will NEVER be like the monied interests they ally themselves with and are really in the same economic boat as those they look down upon. Until they realize in mass that they have far more in common economically with the overtly exploited, little will change down here economically or politically.

And don't get me started about southern fundigelical religion. Unlike some more enlightened denominations, it's simply a tool of cultural control, not spiritual upliftment. It's just one more method to split apart those who if united might threaten the status quo of economic exploitation, both soft and hard.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
47. I also note her characterization
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:59 PM
Feb 2015

She protests that she's not going on exotic vacations or buying designer handbags. Okay, I get that. She's trying to be a wise steward of her meager resources. But the clear implication is that she thinks other people in her financial straits are indeed going to Cancun or buying Michael Kors bags, so they don't "deserve" the same benefit that she's taking for herself.

Ms. Meredith also continues to support the notion of putting Washington "back in its place." I wonder what, exactly, she means by that? Did she harbor the same sentiment 10 years ago? I would guess she didn't think that the Washington of George W. Bush had to be put back in its place. Fortunately, because it's never about race, I'm pretty sure Ms. Meredith isn't talking about the President's race. But what is it she means when she says that Washington has to be put back in its place???

ananda

(28,865 posts)
43. I have to be brutal.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:13 PM
Feb 2015

This woman is an example of a crazy idiot rightwinger
who thinks Reeps will actually listen to her on an issue
that they cannot and will not endorse... you know,
expecting a human outcome from a sociopath.

Give me a break!

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
48. She should have thought of this before she voted for him.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:59 PM
Feb 2015

These are the types of questions which should have been addressed to the candidate Abbot, not Governor Abbot. She bought the schtick and the lies when she should have been looking deeper to how his ideologies and policies were going to effect her daily life.

I'm sorry to say, but she got what she voted for and she's going to have to deal with the consequences of her vote. This is the harsh reality of many of the voters such as Ms Meredith.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
50. She's obviously mentally ill
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:11 PM
Feb 2015
"I want Obamacare but don't want to be on government assistance"

"I understand and support his efforts to put Washington back in its place."


Lady, you and the rest of the republicans in TX and the entire rest of the country have stage IV cancer of the mind and of the soul. You either want the government out of your life or you don't. Please take the lead in "putting Washington in its place" by refusing the subsidized healthcare. You and the kids may die, but at least Hate Radio will laud your refusal to bow to Big Government.

I really despise Republicans.
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