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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:05 AM Feb 2015

Right wing source: Why Bush Might Not Be Best Against Clinton

Washington Examiner:

“In a general election, nominating Bush would neutralize one of Hillary Clinton’s biggest liabilities (the idea that she, too, is a figure from the past trying to ride her last name to power). Instead of having the clear contrast that would be possible if Republicans were to name a fresh candidate, the 2016 election would devolve into a proxy battle over whether Americans want to restore the Bush or Clinton presidencies. Whether the GOP likes it or not, that isn’t a matchup that favors Republicans.”

Looks like some in the GOP establishment are pushing back against Jeb.

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Right wing source: Why Bush Might Not Be Best Against Clinton (Original Post) wyldwolf Feb 2015 OP
I doubt he will be the nominee... Agschmid Feb 2015 #1
I think the Kochs have already picked Scott Walker as the dopey, malleable puppet candidate, but will FSogol Feb 2015 #4
Scott Walker puts zero fear in me./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #7
Same here. The :scared: is for how crappy the political discourse in America will FSogol Feb 2015 #9
For all his flaws Jeb offers the Repugs the best chance... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #13
I doubt he could ever overcome the "Bush" negative. They are better with a mostly unknown FSogol Feb 2015 #17
Same here. Jeb, on the other hand, with having married a Mexican-American woman, BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #15
That's a terrifying thought newfie11 Feb 2015 #16
If he is, it's a clear sign that they've given up. See Bob Dole, 1996. nt onehandle Feb 2015 #18
and why Rand Paul is about to Announce.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #2
I agree with you fadedrose Feb 2015 #6
I think maybe Rand Paul shows distressing signs of intractability, Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #12
"But I'm different," isn't a great tagline for a candidacy BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #3
Who is surrounded but the same old war criminal as poppy and little boots madokie Feb 2015 #5
Little Boots BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #10
Yep. Restoring the Clinton presidency is FAR preferable to restoring G.W. Bush's presidency. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #8
One small correction my friend DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #14
I didn't think it was, either, but then I read this: BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #19
A "fresh candidate" and rethug is a misnomer. ffr Feb 2015 #11

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
1. I doubt he will be the nominee...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:06 AM
Feb 2015

If this is anything like last time we will see a few people peak, and then fade into the background.

But we will see...

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
4. I think the Kochs have already picked Scott Walker as the dopey, malleable puppet candidate, but will
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:24 AM
Feb 2015

promote Jeb as the elder-statesman, Cheney-esque VP candidate.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
13. For all his flaws Jeb offers the Repugs the best chance...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:31 AM
Feb 2015

For all his flaws Jeb offers the Repugs the best chance because he offers the possibility of mitigating GOP losses among Latinos, without which occurring they have no chance of winning.


FSogol

(45,485 posts)
17. I doubt he could ever overcome the "Bush" negative. They are better with a mostly unknown
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:34 AM
Feb 2015

like Walker that they can bolster with multi-million dollar campaign ads. His campaign events will be completely controlled and he'll seldom speak to the General Public or reporters.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
15. Same here. Jeb, on the other hand, with having married a Mexican-American woman,
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:33 AM
Feb 2015

is fluent in Spanish, is still pretty much a threat - although I don't know how the Teapublicans will see him since they're diehard racists and xenophobes. On the other hand, these anti-American zealots will probably swallow their pride and vote for Jeb because they loathe Democrats more.

But Jeb can be popular with a-political Latinos, and that's what I fear most.

Any Democratic candidate would do wise to choose a Mexican-American as their running mate. I would advise they choose Secretary Julian Castro. He's Mexican-American, fluent in Spanish AND is a Texan. We might be able to get the Latino vote out in Texas and just might pull it off to make that State blue in 2016.

At any rate, choosing a Mexican-American as a running mate will ensure they get the majority (if not all) of the Latino vote and keep the GOP from getting that crucial 40% Latino vote that they need in order to win the White House.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
2. and why Rand Paul is about to Announce....
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:09 AM
Feb 2015

I think they are going to get behind HIM....as they will see him as her only threat based on this attack tack alone...its all they have (and they are THAT desperate)!

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
6. I agree with you
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Feb 2015

Rand Paul is the least objectionable, not at all desirable, but the one with the least baggage to air.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
12. I think maybe Rand Paul shows distressing signs of intractability,
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:30 AM
Feb 2015

and there is too great a risk that his general nuttiness will show through whatever facade he tries to push.

You can be pretty sure the Big Money people will want someone they can trust to do as instructed.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
5. Who is surrounded but the same old war criminal as poppy and little boots
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:25 AM
Feb 2015

with some raygunner thrown in for good measure

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
8. Yep. Restoring the Clinton presidency is FAR preferable to restoring G.W. Bush's presidency.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Feb 2015

The successes of the Clinton presidency boosts SoS Clinton's popularity among Democrats and Liberals. Twenty-two MILLION new jobs, a 2.4% unemployment rate, no war, and the U.S. becoming very popular with the people throughout the world are just a few examples.

With John Ellis Bush: Duhbya. Nuff said.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
14. One small correction my friend
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:33 AM
Feb 2015

I don't believe unemployment ever dipped to 2.4% under Clinton. It did dip to 3.9% which is remarkable enough.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
19. I didn't think it was, either, but then I read this:
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:39 AM
Feb 2015
In the past 30 years, the unemployment rate was as high as 7.2 percent in November 1982 before dipping to a low of 3 percent in November 1987; the next bust resulted in 7.4 percent unemployment in March 1992 during President George H.W. Bush’s administration before a steady recovery to a record low unemployment of 2.1 percent in Sept. 2000 when President Bill Clinton was in office.

Starting in Jan. 20, 2001, at the beginning of George W. Bush’s administration, the rate was 2.4 percent, but by the time he left in January 2009 it had reached 7 percent, following the near collapse of the financial services industry and a government bailout of $700 billion in Oct. 2008 because of the subprime mortgage crisis.

Barack Obama assumed office on Jan. 20, 2009 with the 7 percent rate, which continued to grow to 9.4 percent in August 2010, a three-decade high, and only started to slowly go down throughout 2011 to 8 percent in January 2012 and now to 7.8 percent in February.
http://www.ct5thdistrict.com/2012/03/22/fact-check-iii/


The numbers appear to be correct for President Obama.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
11. A "fresh candidate" and rethug is a misnomer.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:29 AM
Feb 2015

They could run the most despicable person on Earth and they'd still have their entire 23% base supporting that person. What they need is a centrist message to trick the 'undecided voters' and lots of lipstick for whatever criminal or future convict they plan to nominate.

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