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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:47 AM Feb 2015

Quarter of Americans Convinced Sun Revolves Around Earth, Survey Finds

"Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth?"

If you answered the latter, you're among a quarter of Americans who also got it wrong, according to a new report by the National Science Foundation.

A survey of 2,200 people that was released Friday revealed some alarming truths about the state of science education across the country, with many failing to an answer even the most basic astronomy and science questions, according to a release about the survey.

Out of nine questions in the survey, participants scored an average 6.5.

Only 39 percent answered correctly with "true" when asked if "The universe began with a huge explosion," while only 48 percent knew that "Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals," according to the statement.



http://abcnews.go.com/US/quarter-americans-convinced-sun-revolves-earth-survey-finds/story?id=22542847http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-02/msu-sas021314.php
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Quarter of Americans Convinced Sun Revolves Around Earth, Survey Finds (Original Post) kpete Feb 2015 OP
What are they teaching in school? In_The_Wind Feb 2015 #1
How to be obedient slaves. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #2
I remember those days but I thought we had evolved past 'em. In_The_Wind Feb 2015 #14
"What are they teaching in school?" KansDem Feb 2015 #3
The moon? Looking to the sky or the horizon is discouraged, no telling what thoughts might stir TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #4
Yeah, We Can't Have Any Thinking Around Here! ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #19
I imagine it's less what is being taught by teachers, and more what's being ignored by students. LanternWaste Feb 2015 #15
"If you answered the latter" you're stupid. Iggo Feb 2015 #5
Do You Realize..... Laxman Feb 2015 #6
The tide comes in, the tide goes out.. Never a miscommunication, you can't explain that Fumesucker Feb 2015 #7
Is that how O'Reilly dodged the draft? Octafish Feb 2015 #8
It's a tough job but someone has to stay home and stoke the fires of war Fumesucker Feb 2015 #11
I don't know if I'm like most people Victor_c3 Feb 2015 #9
LOL! Good to know your spouse is in your corner! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #17
Yep. I'm thinking that some people are deliberately trolling the poll takers. VScott Feb 2015 #34
I suggest that the following question should be: world wide wally Feb 2015 #10
And I'll bet they vote in every election, primary, off year, whenever n2doc Feb 2015 #12
And in ten years, the percentages in Oklahoma will be astronomically higher. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2015 #13
Scott Walker will be the next president. Americans are stupid enough. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Feb 2015 #18
What a sad commentary. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #20
Sometimes I like to believe pipi_k Feb 2015 #21
Hell, half the time when people are talking to me... brendan120678 Feb 2015 #30
And now we know why Rupert Murdoch is rich. 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #22
Appears that anything taught in school is being overwritten by the religious. sinkingfeeling Feb 2015 #23
Except that everyone goes to school, but an ever decreasing number of them are being raised hughee99 Feb 2015 #32
"The universe began with a huge explosion" isn't exactly "true" starroute Feb 2015 #24
I'm running out of palms here. nt MrScorpio Feb 2015 #25
Such simplifications are for those who can't handle Real Math One_Life_To_Give Feb 2015 #26
Another 25% think the sun revolves around them. merrily Feb 2015 #27
I wonder how many approve of the invention of the wheel aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #28
Sad nt Tree-Hugger Feb 2015 #29
in a sense, it does hfojvt Feb 2015 #31
and ONE-FIFTH of elementary children think the Earth's flat MisterP Feb 2015 #33
Ohhh have you never seen the people on twitter wishing giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #35
I knew a relationship was over... 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #36
I got the big word thing also.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #37
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. I imagine it's less what is being taught by teachers, and more what's being ignored by students.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:23 PM
Feb 2015

I imagine it's less what is being taught by teachers, and more what's being ignored by students.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
6. Do You Realize.....
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:05 PM
Feb 2015

the Sun don't go down, its just an illusion caused by the world spinning 'round.



This country has a long and proud history of ignorance. These folks are just upholding a tried and true American tradition.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. The tide comes in, the tide goes out.. Never a miscommunication, you can't explain that
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:07 PM
Feb 2015

A commentator on one of the major networks is one of these people and it's not thanks to a bad education.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_O%27Reilly_%28political_commentator%29


After graduating from high school in 1967, O'Reilly attended Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, his father's choice.[21] While at Marist, O'Reilly played punter in the National Club Football Association[22] and was also a writer for the school's newspaper, The Circle. An honors student, he majored in history. He spent his junior year of college abroad, attending Queen Mary College at the University of London

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Is that how O'Reilly dodged the draft?
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:16 PM
Feb 2015

Smarmy chickenhawk turd should be the first to volunteer for the front line.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. It's a tough job but someone has to stay home and stoke the fires of war
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:19 PM
Feb 2015

It's a Holy War don't you know..

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
9. I don't know if I'm like most people
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:17 PM
Feb 2015

but if someone asked me if I believed that the sun revolves around the earth I'd say "sure, why not" just to be an idiot and skew the results.

However, I like to make people think I'm a bumbling idiot - and sometimes I do a really good job of it.


My wife once said this to me "You're smarter than you look!"

 

VScott

(774 posts)
34. Yep. I'm thinking that some people are deliberately trolling the poll takers.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:25 PM
Feb 2015

I know I'd do it without hesitation just for the lulz.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
10. I suggest that the following question should be:
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:18 PM
Feb 2015

Do you consider yourself to be a Democrat or Republican?

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
12. And I'll bet they vote in every election, primary, off year, whenever
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:21 PM
Feb 2015

The Republican 'base'. Remember W had 30% popularity even in his darkest hours.....

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
13. And in ten years, the percentages in Oklahoma will be astronomically higher.
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:22 PM
Feb 2015


<feel free to substitute the name of any other red state at your leisure>

Response to kpete (Original post)

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
21. Sometimes I like to believe
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:39 PM
Feb 2015

that most people who give stupid answers to basic questions are really only doing it because they didn't pay attention to the question, or misunderstood it.


If that's not the case, then it means that the intellectual integrity of this country is drowning in a huge sewer hole. Which is depressing.


hughee99

(16,113 posts)
32. Except that everyone goes to school, but an ever decreasing number of them are being raised
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:21 PM
Feb 2015

with religion. If religion is the cause, you should expect to see this number on its way down which makes me very concerned for where America was 50 years ago when there was a lot more religion. I wonder how many of them would have missed this question back then?

starroute

(12,977 posts)
24. "The universe began with a huge explosion" isn't exactly "true"
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:58 PM
Feb 2015

For one thing, it still isn't clear whether there really was a Big Bang. There have always been problems with the theory, and efforts to patch it up -- such as "inflation" -- have problems of their own.

For another, even if the Big Bang did occur, it wasn't necessarily the beginning of the universe. There might be periodic expansions and contractions. Or there might be an expansion currently occurring in our neck of the woods but not in the universe as a whole. All of these ideas have legitimate scientific defenders.

And finally, even if you accept the Big Bang as totally real and totally the start of everything, describing it as a "huge explosion" is a kindergarten metaphor that's barely half a step above saying the sun goes around the earth.

I understand the survey was intended to make the general point that Americans are scientifically illiterate. But hoping as an alternative that they might be prepared to regurgitate their high school science lessons verbatim isn't setting the bar very high.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
26. Such simplifications are for those who can't handle Real Math
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

One can define the reference frame anyway one likes. Just some ways make the math much simpler than others. It is possible to report on the Superbowl using Spherical Coordinates centered in Moscow. But the game would likely be over before you calculated what the description of the opening kickoff really meant.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
28. I wonder how many approve of the invention of the wheel
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:05 PM
Feb 2015

or whether they think hunting and gathering is a fine way of life.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
31. in a sense, it does
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:20 PM
Feb 2015

they both revolve around their common center of gravity, about 500 km from the center of the sun by my rough calculations.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
33. and ONE-FIFTH of elementary children think the Earth's flat
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:21 PM
Feb 2015

in Britain--in fact, these basic "scientific literacy" questions aren't that different in Japan or Germany

except for evolution: that's where the US is an outlier

I flipping love this book http://www.amazon.com/Flat-Earth-History-Infamous-Idea/dp/0312382081

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
35. Ohhh have you never seen the people on twitter wishing
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:33 PM
Feb 2015

the earth it's happy 2015th birthday? I was dating a guy quite a few years younger & when I brought this up & i saw the blank look come over his face that it was time to say goodbye. After a quick science, history, & social studies class of course.

3catwoman3

(24,006 posts)
36. I knew a relationship was over...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:18 PM
Feb 2015

...when the guy told me I would have to stop using "all those big words."

The word that prompted this declaration wasambivalent. I had, in fact, been feeling somewhat ambivalent about this man. After that, I no longer was.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
37. I got the big word thing also....
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 04:32 PM
Feb 2015

I started telling him to google it. He was in & out 6 mths, grabbed me once & out the house he went. He was warned from the jump that I had been there done that & I don't do second chances. The wall went up & the bags went out.

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