Yale Fraternity That Violated Sexual Misconduct Policy Now Banned From Campus

[niyad]

Yale Fraternity That Violated Sexual Misconduct Policy Now Banned From Campus


A Yale fraternity has been banned from conducting on-campus activities until August 2016 as a result of violating the university’s sexual misconduct code.

The fraternity Sigma Alpha Epsilon (SAE) will not be allowed to hold on-campus activities, use the school bulletin boards or email system to communicate, or use the fraternity’s name “in connection with the university.” SAE underwent an investigation last year following a complaint about a presentation at the fraternity’s induction ceremony in February 2014. SAE was also found guilty of inhibiting in University’s investigation of the complaint.

In addition to the sanctions from Yale, SAE has received sanctions from the national headquarters, including mandatory sexual harassment training for members. In 2011, a different Yale fraternity received a five-year ban similar to the ban for SAE after members shouted chants that supported rape culture, including “No means yes,” on a residential quadrangle.

Student Alexa Derman, public relationships coordinator for the Yale Women’s Center, said that holding organizations on campus accountable for their behavior “sends a strong message to other groups about their responsibility to contribute to a positive sexual climate on campus.”

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2015/02/18/yale-fraternity-that-violated-sexual-misconduct-policy-now-banned-from-campus/

[BrotherIvan]

1. Good

Some smart (large) university is going to ban all greeks and then figure out they don't need them. Or at the very least, close the houses. In high school, I went to a college that did not allow greeks and the students seemed to be perfectly happy with it and had plenty of social activities. It also did not attract a certain type of person who was looking for a frathouse. I recommend it if your child is looking at colleges. Everyone deserves to feel safe on campus.

[kmla]

2. Wow.

That is one broad brush...

[BrotherIvan]

3. haha

I love it when people aren't worried about victims at all. It says so much about them.

[kmla]

4. Gosh. I retract my earlier statement.

Because, as we all know, every member of every fraternity or Greek organization on campus victimizes everyone they encounter.

[BrotherIvan]

5. Not all men!

If dudebros want to create after school clubs because they can't have a social life without it, fine. But frat houses are totally unnecessary. If I had a son or daughter, I would encourage them to go to a college without greeks. First off, college is too expensive to mess around. If you want to party, take a couple of years off, travel and live with your friends. But as many sexual assaults happen--with regularity--at frat houses, you don't think there's a problem? Oh yeah, not all men!

[mythology]

14. So we should ban any place where sexual assaults occur?

Given that 40% occur in the victim's home. Should we ban those too?

The majority of rapes are committed by somebody known to the victim. By your logic, we shouldn't allow any men near women.

https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders

I had no interest in joining a frat in college, but I'm not big on banning groups on spurious claims.

[BrotherIvan]

17. Did you know that fraternities on campus are all about money?

Yup, that's right, and they bribe the school to be on campus. That way they get preferred status. Like I said, frat houses are, by their very nature, a place where sexual assaults happen with frequency. I will bet there is one on every campus known as "the rape house" or something similar. There was on mine and most people will say the same. I heard it discussed by many women in both schools I attended, "You're going to the ______ party tonight? Eww. Be careful what they put in your drink and don't get raped." All the time.

And no, they don't need to be "banned" but schools could just withdraw their support. Oh yeah, they don't want to lose all that money.

Like I said, I'm not trying to stop people from having a good time. Not at all. And sure, I do have a bias that most people drawn to clubs are sheeple and hopelessly conventional. I'll admit that. The school I attended that didn't have greeks was much more stringent academically and I think overall the students had a much better experience and education--the whole point of this exercise. I also do like the European system where kids are encouraged after high school to take a year or two off and travel and party their asses off. It gives them much more maturity and a seriousness about education that kids going straight from high school to college, free from their parent's for the first time, do not have.

The larger schools I went to made too much room for partying and immaturity. The school I went to was so hard to get into that most of the students had studied like maniacs and had lived rather sheltered, geeky lives. And private school kids, quite a lot of those. So by the time they hit college, they had not experienced much so they went nuts. It's a common phenomenon now for kids to flunk out of college because they are spending too much time on social activities. So they make our universities as easy as possible so they don't. I was able to graduate in three years while holding down a 40 hour a week high-paying job. It was stupidly easy which was a waste.

Meh. All I can say is, any smart person would encourage their daughter to go to a school where she will feel safe and won't become a statistic. Because while some people might feel like they are losing out on some epic parties, some women are going to be scarred for life and I don't think that's a good trade off.

[niyad]

6. still noting a total lack of any demonstrated concern for the victims.

[kmla]

7. Applying a little Bush logic here?

"you're either for us or against us.."

I do feel for the victims. And I sincerely hope they receive the help and the compassion they deserve and they need. Any person with an ounce of empathy and concern for fellow human beings feels the same way. I thought that would be understood without one having to say it. But in this torches and pitchfork thread, I had to say it.

The guilty parties should be punished as the law allows. Regardless of Greek affilliation or lack thereof.

However, I doubt if this will satiate the need for "demonstrated concern" since the common belief for this thread is to label the entire Greek system as detrimental to society, instead of showing the concern that you desperately seek from everyone who posts.

[niyad]

11. awww, nice touch throwing the chimp in there. torches and pitchforks? my, my, exaggerate much?

[kmla]

13. I see you practiced great restraint.

I really expected a "nonny nonny boo boo, stick your head in doo-doo" response.

[niyad]

19. keep trying, I really need the laughs.

[LeftinOH]

8. The offending fraternity has been ousted. What else do you want?

You admit that your college didn't have fraternities - therefore whatever you "know" about them derives from (usually deserved) negative press that a small minority of these organizations generate. It is curious that some people who took no part in fraternity & sorority life while in college can harbor such sweeping anti-greek sentiments. You didn't do it, good for you. Why begrudge others for choosing their own path?

Yes indeed, some chapters are a complete joke - and need to clean up their act or be forcibly disbanded. Beyond that, there are countless young people whose undergraduate experience is immesurably enriched by fraternity/sorority membership. An call for the outright bannng of an entire social structure --whose origins were inspired by European university societies, many of which still exist-- because of some bad actors is ignorant.

Finally: As for anyone who has been victimized by members of a particular group - they are deserving of total sympathy and support. And the offending group- whether it's a high school football team, a college frat, executives on a corporate retreat ...or any other situation-- should be dealt with in the harshest terms possible.

[BrotherIvan]

12. I went to two universities that did allow Greeks

The fact that people feel like they can't have "social enrichment" or any type of social experience without frat parties and secret handshakes is preposterous.

And yes, there were three rapes in frat houses while I was undergrad at a big, famous school. One guy was convicted and still not expelled by the school. The other two got off scott free because the fraternity lawyers helped fight the charges. Nice, huh? That's what your dues go.

I did have friends who were in fraternities, and not all of them were dicks. And surely not all of them are rapists. But it does set up that culture and opportunity to rape on every campus. There is no reason people who go to college shouldn't feel safe because some frat boys want to party. The system we have now, and the one you obviously want to keep in place, is to let it all continue status quo and then deal with it after someone gets hurt.

It's like the gun argument. I want to have my guns so it's just too bad if some people have to suffer. It's pure fucking selfishness. I'm sure not all fraternities are dens of douchebaggery and sororities are set up to be their meat markets, but anyone saying overall they aren't is just lying.

[LeftinOH]

18. Nobody *Nobody* anywhere is saying that you can't have

social enrichment without "frat parties and secret handshakes." Except you.

You went to a school where a situation was out of control, and that's dreadful - especially for the victims. I am going to surmise that there were other fraternity chapters that you never heard about - and about which there was not one whiff of scandal. The fraternity next to mine in college was complete mayhem ...we went out of our way to ignore them, and the difference between them and us was like night and day. Thankfully, they have since been permanently closed down.

Overall, these organizations are NOT hotbeds of douchebaggery. Simply put, there is no "system" in place that promotes or condones violence, just like sports teams don't expect their players to act like monsters off the field...but sometimes they do. There happen to be a minority of miscreants whose antics get attention while the majority are quietly doing what average college students always do: Study, play sports, watch TV, sleep ....repeat x 4 years. Yes, really.

I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before on DU. You made the right decision for yourself ..and you didn't go greek. However, believing that your own path is the only correct one is pretty narrow-minded.

[kmla]

21. Well said. As a fraternity member, I agree wholeheartedly.

As a whole, I've found that Greek organizations resemble a cross section of society as a whole. Vast majority are good people. A few idiots and sociopaths exist and give the system a bad name.

Same could be said of police officers. Or pizza delivery guys. Or retail workers. Or car salesmen.

But you won't convince some people, no matter how you try. You just should judge on the least amount of information, and extrapolate that judgment to an entire group of people, not matter how accurate or inaccurate...

[Iggo]

9. "...until August 2016..."

So, "suspended" really.

[niyad]

10. yes, exactly. not much more than tap on the wrist.

[KamaAina]

16. We should never have allowed Greeks back in the first place

We did not have them in my day (mid-'80s). And no one that I knew was clamoring to have them back. Yale is divided into 12 residential colleges, each of which has a SAC (Student Activities Committee).

I guess after the drinking age was hiked to 21 , SAC parties started to suck, hence the return of frats. Our most notorious frat boy is, of course, George W. Bush '68, a member of DKE.

[niyad]

20. I think you are quite correct.