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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 05:12 PM Feb 2015

Giuliani is no Patriot! Not Even By His Very Own Standards!

By Giulian's standards, Clinton is a real patriot. Not so though, Giuliani himself.

Bill Clinton's Administration stopped more Terror Attacks on this country than Ronald Reagan.

At least one of which would have been far worse than 9/11.

He did so because he LISTENED to the warnings coming from the Intel Community and other allies.

But Giuliani?? The man allowed one of the biggest attacks on this country to happen, because of his ARROGANCE.

He refused to take the advice of veteran Terror Experts who had warned him for years, that NYC would likely be a target AGAIN.

After the attack on the WTC in 1993 it was generally expected that it would happen again.

But GIULIANI was CONFIDENT that 'NYC is the SAFEST City in the World'!

Yes, we NYers all remember his refusal to take threats seriously, in case it might interfere with TOURISM and MONEY flowing into the city.

On that tragic day he was running to hide in his bunker.

The bunker he was TOLD not to place in a likely 'target area'.

But once again, Giuliani refused to listen. HE knew best.

So we saw him wandering the streets of NYC after the attack, dazed and confused, because he had nowhere to go!

There was no Command Center from which to organize due to this man's failure to listen.


Reports say he pushed people out of the way after realizing his bunker was not safe, in order to get out himself.

He also had refused to provide NYC Fire Fighters with equipment that WORKED.

He wasn't about to cancel a lucrative contract that paid for the faulty equipment that FAILED on the day it was most needed.

Fire Fighters across the country blame him for the deaths of hundreds of Fire Fighters that day.


But just mention the world 'terror' or '9/11' when he is within earshot, and you risk being given a sales pitch.

No patriot would have sought to profit from that tragic day.

Giuliani needs to shut his mouth about 'patriotism' because while he may be too dense to realize it, he is among the most despised people among actual Patriots such as the country's Fire Fighters, in this country right now.

Here you can find a summation of the failure of 'America's Mayor' (thanks again ignorant MSM) both before and after 9/11:

Rudy Giuliani was a 9/11 Failure

A. PRIOR TO 9/11

1. IGNORING THE FBI - When the WTC was attacked in 1993 and we had a President who actually captured and killed EVERY person responsible for those attacks, the FBI released a series of recommendations to NYC to follow in the mid 1990s. But Giuliani, by that point replacing a competent Bill Bratton with an incompetent Howard Safir (and later third grade detective and door holder Bernie Kerik) put his ego (Giuliani is an incompetent leader and only feels secure around people even more incompetent) ahead of security and snubbed his nose at the FBI. Had these recommendations been implemented, more American lives in NYC would have been saved on 9/11.

2. FIREFIGHTER EQUIPMENT
- Part of those recommendations were to give the firefighters radio equipment to communicate from ground to air. Those on the ground knew that the WTC would collapse 15-20 minutes down the road. IF the firefighters had the proper radio equipment, they would have been told to get out. Instead, they climbed to their death.

3. The COMMAND CENTER IN THE SKY - Only an idiot builds a command center 23 stories in the sky next to a major target of terrorists AFTER being told by the FBI NOT TO. Had there been an operational command center on 9/11, more lives would have been saved.

4. COORDINATION OF DEPARTMENTS - Again Giuliani the incompetent ignored the FBI recommendations to coordinate police with fire and EMT. Instead, we had a bunch of people running around not knowing what to do. This indecisiveness and confusion cost lives on 9/11.

B. GIULIANI ON 9/11


1. INTRODUCTION - Of the 3 categories, Giuliani will get his highest marks here by default. What Giuliani does best is speak to the camera and he did that well. But giving press conferences as opposed to taking meaningful actions are two different things. And keep in mind that with Bush reading My Pet Goat, ANYBODY would have looked good compared to Bush.

2. RUNNING AROUND, DOING NOTHING - From 8:46 am to 10:00 am was the time for Giuliani to be a leader. And Giuliani failed. He spent the time wandering the streets of lower Manhattan aimlessly not knowing what to do. He was lost and clueless. (The press conferences came later.)

3. SCREWING THE FIREFIGHTERS - Giuliani and his brass had the opportunity to save lives but didn't. Instead they got word that the WTC might collapse. Instead of captains taking 2 extra minutes to help their sailors, Giuliani decided to jump ship without the thought of trying to send word to the firefighter to get out of the buildings.

C. AFTER 9/11

1. EPA CORRUPTION - Giuliani and the Bush administration concealed environmental hazards and air conditions at 9/11 basically sending rescue workers to their deaths down the road. This is shameful.

2. LAWSUITS - Instead of helping the victims of 9/11 recover, Giuliani and Bush have been preventing these plaintiffs from getting what they are entitled to. Hero my ass.

3. PROFITTING OFF 9/11 - It's been well documented how Giuliani has exploited this tragedy for personal profit. The thing is Giuliani didn't do anything.

4. STEALING 9/11 VICTIM FUND MONEY
- This is the one that should destroy Giuliani. To have the chutzpah to take money meant for the widows of 9/11 and redirecting it to his cronies is unforgivable.

5. TRIED SUSPENDING DEMOCRACY - If the terrorists hate us for our freedom, they sure must love Giuliani for Rudy tried to extend his term as mayor for 3 extra months.

6. IGNORING BIN LADEN, PRAISING BUSH During the 2004 convention, Giuliani said "Thank God George W Bush is our president." (I'd love for Democrats to make a commercial out of that in 2008 if Giuliani did get the nomination.) But what pissed New Yorkers off most is how Giuliani didn't give a flying __ about capturing Bin Laden and instead being a cheerleader for unrelated policies. New Yorkers want Bin Laden dead and Giuliani gave us a big middle finger.

CONCLUSION

The record as a whole shows Giuliani to be a miserable failure on 9/11 and his status as some kind of hero is completely mythological and driven by the corporate media. Somewhere in a safe house in Afghanistan, Osama Bin Laden was probably saying to himself, "Thank Allah George W Bush is President, Thank Allah Rudy Giuliani is Mayor of New York City. The death toll would never have been as high without them."


And don't get me started on the Corporate Media created 9/11 HERO, Giuliani's TOP COP, Bernie Kerrik.

Giuliani's most trusted confidente turned out to be, as most NYers had already figured out, a FELON, convicted and sentenced to 4 years on 8 charges of corruption.

Asleep at the wheel, America's Corporate Media, (they should have talked to any NYer who could have told them, 'this is no hero') AND the Bush Administration, either totally unaware of the long time 'rumors' of who Kerik actually was, or THEY DIDN'T CARE, Fawned over Kerik as much as they did over his Boss.

Bush going so far as to appoint him to Iraq, where he totally failed, and later to try to nominate him as Homeland Security Chief!

THE HYPOCRISY OF BERNIE KERIK



George W. Bush foolishly relied upon Rudy Giuliani’s false assurances in selecting Kerik for a cabinet position

The nomination quickly unraveled as numerous disturbing facts about Kerik began to surface. A few days of digging by news organizations revealed that Bush had planned to entrust one of the most sensitive jobs in his cabinet to a man who had failed to report lavish gifts he received as a New York City official, had declared personal bankruptcy and was the subject of an arrest warrant in a civil case involving unpaid condominium fees. A cover story was quickly concocted about taxes not being paid for a nanny who allegedly worked for Kerik and citing this issue, Kerik promptly withdrew his nomination. The nanny story, too, soon unraveled as it became apparent that there was no nanny working for Kerik. A New York Times story ran with the headline “Not even those who lived nearby can shed light on nanny's identity.” It was becoming clear that Kerik’s unsuitability was premised upon wrongdoing much more serious than merely hiring undocumented household help.

It was reported that Kerik’s overseer, Rudy Giuliani, vouched for Kerik and convinced the Bush White House that the normal vetting process for a cabinet nominee was not required. It is likely that Giuliani was well aware of what would have been revealed but in his zeal to install a loyal underling who could have greatly aided Giuliani’s consulting business, personal assurances were given and Bush’s people were at least temporarily satisfied.



9/11 self-aggrandizer, Rudy Giuliani, vouched for Kerik’s trustworthiness, allowing him to at least initially escape the normal vetting process for a cabinet nominee


So Giuliani doesn't think that President Obama is 'Patriotic Enough'?? Has anyone asked him how he feels about his Top Cop these days?

If I were the President, I would consider the source and take any reference to my patriotism coming from this despicable human being, as a Huge Compliment!

The lies the MSM tells us. NYers always knew Giuliani and his Top Cop were no heroes, but it was painful to watch the deification of these two for so long knowing that nothing could be further from the truth.

He should have been prosecuted after 9/11 for his gross incompetence and refusal to protect the city he was supposed to protect.

Instead the Corporate Media created a fake hero out of someone who was dishonest, cowardly and a bully who did nothing to save lives that day, but has managed to make a fortune out of that tragedy.



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Giuliani is no Patriot! Not Even By His Very Own Standards! (Original Post) sabrina 1 Feb 2015 OP
K&R vlyons Feb 2015 #1
Kickin' Faux pas Feb 2015 #2
K and R panader0 Feb 2015 #3
9ui11ani madokie Feb 2015 #4
He is the most disgusting human being with zero morals or integrity, and it makes me sick every time sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #6
I'm with you 100% madokie Feb 2015 #7
KnR. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #5
K & R Liberal_Dog Feb 2015 #8
Yes, he's a despicable opportunist of the worst kind. His political career was over the day before sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #9
K&R&bookmark JEB Feb 2015 #10
You're welcome, it's necessary for people to know that the idea that Giuliani was, at the very least sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #11
he then FORGOT 9-11, saying chimpy kept us safe MisterP Feb 2015 #12
Sabrina-I would never want to cross you... catnhatnh Feb 2015 #13
Every time I see his face I remember what a tragic failure he was both before and after 9/11. Yet sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #14

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. He is the most disgusting human being with zero morals or integrity, and it makes me sick every time
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:21 PM
Feb 2015

I see them drag him out when they want to manipulate the people into supporting one war or another.

The fact that the media lied about his 'hero' status on 9/11 when the exact opposite was true, had NYers incensed.

I think it is necessary to expose this creep several times a year so people have no doubt about who he is.

You can tell, I despise the man. Always have! Sorry to rant but he is a symbol of the deception we are exposed to when it ocmes to these republican chicken hawks who profit from lies and deception and the tragedies of other people.

Liberal_Dog

(11,075 posts)
8. K & R
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:34 PM
Feb 2015

Giuliani is disgusting.

I remember immediately after 9-11, Giuliani used the tragedy to try to extend his time in office .He has always used 9-11 to benefit himself.

He sure as hell is no hero.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. Yes, he's a despicable opportunist of the worst kind. His political career was over the day before
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:24 AM
Feb 2015

9/11. He alienated nearly everyone who came in contact with him. The final blow to his career airc, was the way he had his lawyer announce that he was divorcing his wife. It was, apparently how SHE found out. Not to mention that he had his mistress living in Gracie Mansion where his wife and children were living at the time. AND he had the tax payers funding 'protection' for his mistress.

Then 9/11 happened and he shamefully grabbed the opportunity to try to restore his career, AND as you pointed out, EXTEND it, without an election.

For him to even mention the word 'patriotism' is just sickening.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. You're welcome, it's necessary for people to know that the idea that Giuliani was, at the very least
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:03 AM
Feb 2015

totally incompetent wrt to 9/11 and at the worst, responsible for refusing to listen to the warnings he received after the first attack in 1993, from the intel community.

The very idea that he was any kind of 'hero' of 9/11 is ludicrous and a fairy tale spun by the Corporate Media.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. Every time I see his face I remember what a tragic failure he was both before and after 9/11. Yet
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:35 PM
Feb 2015

the media continues to seek him out for his 'opinions' when they know as well as we do, that he was no hero on that tragic day.

Not once has been he been asked about his refusal to provide the Fire Fighters with the equipment that would have saved so many of their lives.

Nor has he been asked about why he refused to listen to all the warnings he received and take the appropriate steps, as Clinton did eg, to prevent 9/11 from happening.

Nor has anyone asked him why he insisted, against all advice, to build the Command Center where it was most likely to be rendered inoperable when most needed.

IF someone in the Corporate media WERE to ask him about any of those things, people would get to see the REAL, angry, bully that he is.

Lol, you can tell, I do not like this despicable character!

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