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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:24 AM Feb 2015

5 ways Hollywood tricked you into hating poor people.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-hollywood-tricked-you-into-hating-poor-people/

5. Even homes in an apocalyptic setting aren't as bad as some real-life homes.

4. Even supposedly "broke" people always have spare money to cope with financial catastrophes such as repairs and medical bills.

3. Even people with lousy jobs can afford fantastic apartments.

2. Even supposedly "broke" people always have spare money for spontaneous vacations or travelling to the wedding of their secret love at a far-off location.

1. Now matter how outlandishly irresponsible poor people are, there are never lasting consequences.
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5 ways Hollywood tricked you into hating poor people. (Original Post) DetlefK Feb 2015 OP
Fantasy and logistics, economics, and, well, reality can't seem to coexist ck4829 Feb 2015 #1
All those things are true, but they don't make me hate poor people. Coventina Feb 2015 #2
Okay. HappyMe Feb 2015 #3
I watch a lot of movies... sendero Feb 2015 #4
people can always seem to afford hotels and cabs. samsingh Feb 2015 #5
That's why I loved Roseanne and Grace Under Pressure Fumesucker Feb 2015 #6
And I loved "Malcolm in the Middle" for the same reason. Coventina Feb 2015 #8
Yep, another great show Fumesucker Feb 2015 #9
I think it was one of the most overlooked shows of the early century. Coventina Feb 2015 #16
Grace Under Fire it was called. Have you or the OP seen Shameless? They make Roseanne seem Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #10
Haven't had a TV in a decade or more Fumesucker Feb 2015 #13
I loved Roseanne. Such a "real" show. bigwillq Feb 2015 #20
How do any of those make one "hate poor people" ? GreatGazoo Feb 2015 #7
The title of the article was poorly chosen. DetlefK Feb 2015 #12
'Precious' 'Winter's Bone' 'Slumdog Millionaire' 'Good Will Hunting' 'Pursuit of Happyness' Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #11
Bulletin: Hollywood movies aren't documentaries onenote Feb 2015 #14
I've watched enough horror films to know that Americans who are poor and rural, that braddy Feb 2015 #15
These assumptions can be dangerous. DetlefK Feb 2015 #18
That was an excellent movie "Tucker and Dale vs. Evil" braddy Feb 2015 #21
:^) ND-Dem Feb 2015 #19
Just watched "Trading Places" again this weekend... tridim Feb 2015 #17

ck4829

(35,078 posts)
1. Fantasy and logistics, economics, and, well, reality can't seem to coexist
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:30 AM
Feb 2015

Problem is, it seems our media, politicians, etc. would rather accept the fantasy than the reality.

Coventina

(27,140 posts)
2. All those things are true, but they don't make me hate poor people.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:32 AM
Feb 2015

As a poor person myself, I just saw it as Hollywood being completely disconnected from reality.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
6. That's why I loved Roseanne and Grace Under Pressure
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:45 AM
Feb 2015

A halfway realistic portrayal of the working class.

Along with some wickedly sharp humor.

Coventina

(27,140 posts)
8. And I loved "Malcolm in the Middle" for the same reason.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:47 AM
Feb 2015

And their storylines dealt with not having enough money to handle emergencies and stuff like that.

Coventina

(27,140 posts)
16. I think it was one of the most overlooked shows of the early century.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 11:49 AM
Feb 2015

The writing was great, as was the acting.

And, even though the plots were often absurd, it still rang very true to life.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. Grace Under Fire it was called. Have you or the OP seen Shameless? They make Roseanne seem
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 11:07 AM
Feb 2015

positively middle class. What the OP is saying applies well to much light comedy particularly in TV but not to all of it. 'Mom' has financially strained and emotionally recovering characters who have been without residence during the course of the story arc.
Over the last couple of years, Hunger Games have been major commercial hits and those films make the rich look very evil and show poverty as a weapon used against the people, many of whom are kids who die so their families can eat. Damn that Hollywood. Those films star Jennifer Lawrence, who I first saw in 'Winter's Bone' a film about really poor people who can not in fact afford a cab.
Last year's two big contenders were 12 Years A Slave and Dallas Buyer's Club. Did these films shy away from fact? Did they gloss over and polish up the power dynamics, did they make the rich look good? I saw two films in which poor and marginalized people suffered greatly at the hands of wealthy and powerful others, even unto bondage and death.
'They can always afford a cab' vs a film about a man who can't afford life saving medicines without doing criminal things. Lives in what some might call squalor. The only wealthy character in that film is a shit.

Articles like this one are just daft beans. They have to dismiss huge amounts of cinema and even television, they have to set aside themes and stories and characters and pretend that films exist to show you what other people's apartments look like, and also that audiences are unable to differentiate between a romantic fantasy and a reality based drama or comedy. 'While Harry Potter might be good fun, we all know that in reality, Sorcery Schools are not as large or lavish as Hogwarts, and this is Hollywood's way of making one hate Ron Weasley.'

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. Haven't had a TV in a decade or more
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 11:22 AM
Feb 2015

And as I have told you before my memory is not what it used to be.. I think.

I know the shows I see on other people's TVs when I visit and it looks like the OP, everyone has nice stuff and no money worries, even supposedly "struggling" people.

Sure there are counterexamples but that's not the vast majority of programming.



 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
20. I loved Roseanne. Such a "real" show.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 01:15 PM
Feb 2015

I like how it took longer than 30 minutes to solve their problems, they wore the same outfits, the main character wasn't a skinny blond. It was REAL.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
7. How do any of those make one "hate poor people" ?
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:46 AM
Feb 2015

5. The homes in "Idiocracy" are broken and surrounded by mounds of trash. The homes in "Mad Max" are pretty bad.

4. "Dallas Buyers Club" shows a guy who doesn't have the money and what he goes through to get it. Just one example of many where lack of money is key to driving the plot forward.

3. "Sanford & Son" "The Honeymooners" = not fantastic apartments.

1. Many movies end with the death or imprisonment of poor people, sure that qualifies as "lasting consequences." For example(s)

- The Hunger Games
- Scarface
- Midnight Cowboy
- The Pursuit of Happiness
- The Grapes of Wrath

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
12. The title of the article was poorly chosen.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 11:22 AM
Feb 2015

This laziness in movies/series obscures what it really means to be poor.

Of the you movies you listed, I only saw the original Mad Max-movies, Hunger Games and Scarface.

But for example in "Elysium" the streets are littered with trash and petty crime is everywhere, but the homes looked fine. Or in "In Time" the impoverished, oppressed masses live in a society that is not that different from current middle-class, even though they supposedly have no savings.

Or I just saw a RomCom this weekend. One female protagonist gets fired by her asshole-boss (and had an unlucky affair with an asshole-colleague), but she gets vindicated because another company liked her idea and offers her a job. So she does the sensible thing: This unemployed woman goes on vacation because she "wants to see some waterfalls".

How about that time in "Scrubs" when J.D. had no appartment and had to live in a tent? It was barely mentioned even though it would be a major event in one's life.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. 'Precious' 'Winter's Bone' 'Slumdog Millionaire' 'Good Will Hunting' 'Pursuit of Happyness'
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 11:20 AM
Feb 2015

'Grapes of Wrath' 'Trading Places' 'Sullivan's Travels' 'Coal Miner's Daughter' 'Elysium'....

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
15. I've watched enough horror films to know that Americans who are poor and rural, that
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 11:34 AM
Feb 2015

they will kill any young city folk that try to drive through, visit, or camp in your region, and that some of them are cannibals.

Evidently they depend on tourism for the protein.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
17. Just watched "Trading Places" again this weekend...
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:13 PM
Feb 2015

Probably for the hundredth time.

No hating poor people in that flick.

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