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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLocal Fox anchor complains about Lady Gaga’s ‘jigaboo music’ during Oscars coverage
Kristi Capel, an anchor for Clevelands Fox 8, complained about jigaboo music during Monday morning coverage of the Academy Awards.WJW New in the Morning anchor Wayne Dawson reported on Monday that singer Lady Gaga had performed a tribute for the 50th anniversary of the Sound of Music at Sunday nights Oscars.
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Its hard to really hear her voice with all the jigaboo music whatever you want to call it jigaboo! Capel opined.
She has a nice voice, Dawson, who is black, said after a nervous laugh.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/local-fox-anchor-complains-about-lady-gagas-jigaboo-music-during-oscars-coverage/
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)what all Fox is thinking. Charming.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)People try to say things have improved since the 60's but that is a bald faced lie if you are black. This shit never ends.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)It's the "not my fault that you're offended" nonapology apology. She said jigaboo twice, as if to make sure people heard what she said.
salin
(48,955 posts)she says in her nonapology.
Right.
What she really means is 'everyone here says stuff like this all the time, so I didn't think it was a big deal to say it on-air.'
as you note - she says it.... twice.
3catwoman3
(24,018 posts)...choice would be to refrain from using it.
Long Drive
(105 posts)She is using words on TV and has no idea of the meaning, but she uses that word twice...fucking bullshit.
3catwoman3
(24,018 posts)...it was a word. Did she just happen to string those syllables together purely by chance? Ri-i-i-i-i-i-i-ight!
SwissTony
(2,560 posts)calimary
(81,367 posts)I'm sorry IF anyone was offended.
Two words were left off: "MY ASS."
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)since 2008.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)nothing these assholes says anymore surprises me.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)at least 50 years. The only other time I've heard that word used was in error. My nephew who had just graduated high school in the late 80's was trying to explain what he wanted to become. He meant to use the word gigolo but it came out jigaboo. We all had a good laugh at the time since he is very dark complexioned. He never did become a gigolo. He became quality expert helping companies implement their ISO standards.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)winstars
(4,220 posts)phylny
(8,383 posts)and died in 1976. I haven't heard it since. Thank God.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)Fucking hell conservatives are dumber than a bag of mice.
derby378
(30,252 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Thanks for bringing it back!
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I agree with your overall point though. Conservatives seem to be getting even dumber as time goes on too.
spanone
(135,855 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Wow.
Just what the fuck???
And I thought the dolts on Fox couldn't shock me anymore...
alp227
(32,037 posts)Sheesh. I wonder what that woman's handle on YouTube is?
derby378
(30,252 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)It's apparently a Canadian product made in Quebec, where French is widely spoken so it may mean something else.
Doesn't make it any less offensive of course. I'd be surprised to find out they haven't been criticized for it before now.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)(Sorry, I'm at work...)
gollygee
(22,336 posts)As in "what a maroon" when that's a racial word - it refers to escaped slaves.
I believe she didn't know what it means just like I believe the people here at DU who say "What a maroon!" don't know what that means. A good question to find out whether she had any understanding of the word would be, "What did you mean by 'jigaboo?'" She meant something, and she meant something negative.
And of course when she did learn she should have said, "I had no idea and I'm terribly sorry" or something, but as I understand it she did a non-apology instead.
derby378
(30,252 posts)I always understood "maroon" to be a corruption of "moron" ever since it was used in Warner Brothers cartoons.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Very quick tip-of-iceberg from Google
http://www.nps.gov/subjects/ugrr/discover_history/maroon-slave-societies.htm
http://www.folklife.si.edu/resources/maroon/educational_guide/23.htm
http://www.history.ac.uk/ihr/Focus/Slavery/articles/lockley.html
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maroon_(people)
(And I heard about it because I went to a high school whose historic mascot was "The Maroons" but the name was changed for that reason.)
derby378
(30,252 posts)Thanks for the links. I had no bloody idea at all.
Considering the context, however, I think it's easier to claim ignorance about "maroon" than it is to do the same for "jigaboo." There's just no defense for that.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and I didn't know the specifics of "jigaboo" but it was firmily connected to "the n word" in my head so I had some understanding.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)That is really eye-opening. I always thought it was Bugs Bunny's funny way of saying "moron".
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I quoted Bugs several times. I certainly wasn't using maroon in a racial context. Maroon is so seldom used in a racial context these days it has almost lost that meaning altogether. As a matter of fact I have never heard the word used in a racial context in my entire life and I am 62.
We were taught the racial meaning of maroon when I was in third grade geography. The only time I have heard it since is from Bugs Bunny.
So....BFD!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)were inevitably the dumb as rocks Yosemite Sam type of villains whom he could outwit in his sleep. Only meaning I ever ascribed to the word is the one I learned from Bugs.
Orrex
(63,217 posts)I always thought that "maroon" was Bugs Bunny mispronouncing "moron."
I had no idea.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...and I still believe that's what Bugs Bunny was saying. He used to use twisted words like "maroon" and "ignoramus" to refer to characters he considered to be idiots or extremely foolish.
The term "maroon" was also used by Warner Brothers in the Roger Rabbit movie from the late 80s. I don't believe the term was ever meant to have a "slave" connotation.
TYY
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I am sure the vast majority of people who use maroon as a slang use it like Bugs Bunny.. "what a maroon!".. or "what an idiot"... as others have mentioned earlier.
LiberalArkie
(15,722 posts)very politically correct.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)minorities.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)As in "Get a brain, Morans.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)IQ.
"moran" = some moron's misspelling of that word, and
"maroon" = bugs bunny's euphemism for that word.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Not every word has a racial context.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)including Bugs Bunny. Being in a Bugs Bunny cartoon doesn't dismiss the reality of what that word means.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)of course there was racism in the cartoons of that era. doesn't mean 'maroon' is an example of same.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)The color is one
The second and third are related. When referring to people, it's about escaped slaves and their descendants. And then to be marooned originally comes from the fact that escaped slaves lived "marooned" on islands.
When referring to people, it's referring to escaped slaves.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)now means to leave someone stranded. And a maroon is also a firecracker in the UK. and if I looked through some dictionaries I bet I'd find a few more.
↔maroon - an exploding firework used as a warning signal
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/firework
Ajax implies, Ulysses marooned him, although Philoctetes is at least still alive hecause he did not come to Troy with Ulysses (13.45-55; Bomer at 13.5-122, ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1558493999
Just because a word originated in a context of racism doesn't mean that's its current usage or connotation.
e.g. 'cimarron' (Spanish word from which maroon' was derived) is also another name for the drink 'mate'. Does that mean if we drink mate we're promoting racism?)
Xithras
(16,191 posts)"Maroon" is simply a corruption of the Spanish word cimarron, which means "runaway". In Jamaica, many of these escaped slaves ended up forming communities in the mountains, taking the name "Maroons" for themselves. After the British took over Jamaica, the Maroons fought and lost the Maroon wars while trying to establish their independence. Their descendants still live in Jamaica today, and still call themselves the Maroons. It's not an insult.
The use of Maroon in American English comes entirely from cartoons, and isn't related to the Maroons in the Carribbean. Censors wouldn't let Warner Brothers use the word "moron" in a cartoon, so they invented the use of "maroon" as a joke. In the 1940's, the word "moron" was pretty much synonymous with "stupid". The joke with Bugs Bunny was that he was really calling people "stupid", but didn't even know how to pronounce the word correctly, thereby demonstrating his own stupidity. The move satisfied the censors and was pretty funny at the time. "Moron" has different connotations today, so we don't really get that joke any longer.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and I don't believe that they didn't know the meaning of "maroon" although I am aware they were making a joke based on a mispronounciation of "moron" also.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Can you name every ethnic group on the planet? I can't. There are tens of thousands of them.
And the fact that a word happens to coincide with the name of an ethnic group doesn't automatically make it an insult. It's the intention of the use of the word in relation to that group that determines whether or not it's an insult. A Dane can be a dog or a person from Denmark. Turkey is a country with over 70 million people, it's also an insult that means you're dumb and mean.
Nobody has ever come up with any realistic explanation as to why some comedy writers in 1940's Los Angeles would have decided to insult an obscure ethnic group that 99% of Americans had never even heard of. It's a coincidence, nothing more. There's plenty of real racism in the old cartoons to complain about, but this isn't it.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)There are plenty of high schools that use it as a mascot, just as "Redskins" is used as a mascot.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)The names of the athletic teams at Stanford are the Cardinals. That has nothing to do with the bird or the really awful baseball team back east, but is a reference to the schools official color...cardinal red. Back in the 1800's, and even into the 1900's, a lot of schools considered mascots to be a bit undignified. Schools without mascots were generally referred by by their school colors. Many of them adopted mascots as time went on, but not all did.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)where are these "plenty of " high schools?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)but changed it in the late 60s for this reason. "Plenty" doesn't = "at least one in every high school league." And I imagine other schools have changed their mascot throughout the years.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)http://www.austinhighmaroons.org/school-facts-and-history.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_F._Austin_High_School_(Austin,_Texas)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champaign_Central_High_School
The school mascot is a pirate. The Maroons won their first Class 5A Football Championship in 2014 against Graves County by a score of 14-7....Colors: Maroon and white
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulaski_County_High_School_(Kentucky)
(Chief maroon was a Native American chief)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_High_School_(Illinois)
When I searched the site for "mascot," I got this story:
Johnny Skinner
Class of 48
John Skinner started life as any other young person in Perry, but when he was nine...he had polio. He suffered months of tests, isolation, hospitalization, surgeries, casts and braces.
Coach Hump Daniels...him to be the mascot of the Perry High Football team. Wrestling coach John Divine asked John to take on the same responsibilities for the wrestling team. These two activities gave John a new lease on life... He...was named "Most All Around Student" of his senior class.
John's participation in the national March of Dimes drive, to eradicate the new devastating disease of polio is notable! The first year, Noble County designated $150 as its goal, which John made his own personal goal. Through hours of personal contacts with community people, students, and going door-to-door--even meeting the buses that came through Perry--he attained that goal....Throughout high school he worked in the drive. His senior year he personally collected over $10,000--a remarkable sum for those times. John received a personal thank you letter from President Roosevelt.
http://perry.k12.ok.us/index.php/community/perry-alumni-association/alumni-honor-roll-2007/
Seems to me the commonality for all these schools is their school colors: maroon + white or cream.
None of their mascots (where they have one; some don't) have any commonalities.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)agree with you, the slur was on the mentally retarded, not on black people.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I use moran, because of that sign that Republican protestor had that time that said, "Get a brain, morans."
I always thought maroon was a verb and meant something like shipwrecked. I thought people were just still joking about the morans sign.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)The original escaped slaves lived "marooned" on islands in the Caribbean.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)In the future I will not write it (as I have a couple times to use what I thought was an old-timey mild insult).
Jigaboo, however -- that one is obviously on par with the worst racial slurs you can think of.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Phentex
(16,334 posts)maybe I haven't been paying attention.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)"Maroon" does. In fact, I've never heard it used as a slur referring to black people, though I'm aware of its origins and certainly may have missed something in 70 years of living.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I've never heard it used as a slur referring to black people, though I'm aware of its origins and certainly may have missed something in 70 years of living..."
Seems rather likely.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)such reference.
though it's easy to find same about the 'j' word.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Wait, wasn't this video a star OP here for another reason
anyway-
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I wasn't aware of the negative implications of "maroon". I thought it was a Bugs Bunny thing.
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)I've seen it plenty of times here and never used it but for some reason, I thought it was from a bugs bunny cartoon.
lpbk2713
(42,763 posts)But then we're talking about Faux, so ...
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)onenote
(42,724 posts)Whoever hired her should be looking for a new job too.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)If she didn't know it was a word, why did she use the word? Wow, it seems like almost all conservative apologies are non-apologies and full of lies.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)since both terms have been used interchangeably in the past.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 23, 2015, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)
If she had actually watched the Academy Awards, that Fox host would have heard the classy, non-"jigaboo", performance by Lady Gaga.
How her cohost can sit there with her everyday is beyond me.
louis-t
(23,296 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)thanks
LeftinOH
(5,356 posts)what "jigaboo" means. She is a former beauty queen, after all... that is why she is doing the news now. Newsbunnies aren't chosen for their smarts. Here is a picture of her while she was training for a Newsbunny job:
derby378
(30,252 posts)I think I need to put my head down now.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)So what term did miss Capel mean to use to describe the works of Lady Gaga?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)not buy it one teeny tiny but.
3catwoman3
(24,018 posts)...sell indeed.
ProfessorGAC
(65,110 posts)Although, maybe i'm more familiar with it because of age. I'm a heck of lot older than her. Maybe it has fallen into disuse even in MO.
But, i did hear it from my father in law up until the year he died.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)and that was in a movie.
riversedge
(70,260 posts)But knew it was a term not to be used.
MANative
(4,112 posts)the fuss was, because the word was totally unknown to me.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)It was used in a musical number pitting light-skinned African-Americans vs darker-skinned African-Americans.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)"Kristi Marie Capel (born 1983) is a beauty queen from Springfield, Missouri who has competed in the Miss USA pageant.
A native of Florence, Kentucky who later moved to Missouri, Capel won the Miss Missouri USA title in a state pageant held in late 2005. It was her first attempt at that title, however she had placed in the top fifteen of the Miss Kentucky USA pageant the year previously. As Miss Missouri USA Capel was a representative of the Vanbros organization.
Capel represented Missouri in the Miss USA 2006 pageant broadcast live from Baltimore, Maryland in April 2006. She did not place in the pageant, which was won by the delegate from her former home state, Tara Conner, Miss Kentucky USA.
Capel graduated from Heritage Academy (a parochial school affiliated with the Assemblies of God) in Kentucky in 2001. She won a sports scholarship to Evangel University, a religious school affiliated with the Assemblies of God, where she completed a Bachelor of Science degree in Broadcasting and Public Relations with honors in 2005. She plans to continue her education with a Meteorology degree in order to become a meteorologist for a major network."
Capel was born and raised in Kentucky. Grimes had no chance of winning with a black in the Whitehouse.
randys1
(16,286 posts)I think the affiliates are completely independent of whatever network they affiliate with and are owned separately etc.
A great example is KTVU Channel 2 of the San Francisco Bay Area.
I recall as a kid loving that channel, before it was Fox affiliated, as it was a non network local channel with all my favorite dumb sitcoms on all day long ANd it also had ROLLER DERBY
When Fox became a network Channel 2 affiliated with them as did many others, long before anyone could have known, I assume, that they were to affiliate with such ignorance and hate that is Fox News.
Fox and FX and FXX programming are of course not reflective at all of Fox News, as well.
If I am wrong about any of this I will gladly be corrected, this is what I recall.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)When I was a kid we watched roller derby in lively black and white instead of living color.
It was hilarious. The girls fought dirtier than the boys. We used the terms
"roller derby elbow" which was an elbow to the gut to keep the person behind you from getting ahead. Or there was the taking off of the helmet and beating hell out of an opposing team member on the track. Or making them go flying into the rail, hitting them in the gut, and going over the rail headfirst.
It was always the San Francisco Bay Area Bombers versus the Northwest Cardinals, and the big star was Joanie Weston.
We lived in Texas, so I am not sure which affiliate it came from. Probably the one you're talking about, KTVU.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Can this be 2011 ?
This is him, for sure
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Dyed her hair various colors (including purple, and platinum blonde iirc) for different matches.
And she was considered the mean one, iirc...
My mom was addicted to Roller Derby, so I grew up with it. Go Bay Area Bombers!
tanyev
(42,588 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)ChickMagic was a big fan of hers, made me call into the local Top 40 station to request Bad Romance on Thanksgiving Day, and turned the radio up to 11 in the car when it started playing, singing and dancing to the music. Needless to say, she got the CD for Christmas.
I think Ginny wanted to adopt Gaga if nobody else wanted her. Turns out she has a supportive if occasionally bemused family, which is terrific.
tanyev
(42,588 posts)If you aren't sure what a word means, don't use it. Especially in a public forum.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)of the ('j-word' music/background) but in the rogers and Hammerstein, she could hear gaga's voice, so she just noticed gaga had a good voice.
I *think* that's what she meant.
Its hard to really hear her voice with all the jigaboo music whatever you want to call it jigaboo! Capel opined.
She has a nice voice, Dawson, who is black, said after a nervous laugh.
She has a gorgeous voice, Capel agreed. I never knew. Very nice.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/local-fox-anchor-complains-about-lady-gagas-jigaboo-music-during-oscars-coverage/
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)for watching." Oh well alrighty then!
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Comment I saw on Twitter
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Seriously, who hasn't made up random words and and blurted them out on teevee and they just HAPPENED to be outrageous racial epithets?
deutsey
(20,166 posts)louis-t
(23,296 posts)I don't think she'll get away with it.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)anything else, he may as well say the n-word.
derby378
(30,252 posts)I can't see Dawson ever pulling that stunt.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)not be fired for it, and I hope she is.
she's not that dumb. fox anchors play dumb, but when you look up their backgrounds, they typically come from very prestigious schools and were in honor societies and the like.
they're not stupid, just out for themselves.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)a defense.
This place has gone for real sideways.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)AC_Mem
(1,979 posts)And of COURSE it came from faux.
They don't even try to hide it anymore....
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)He once chided Mom for listening to "fat-lipped n****r music". And he meant Elvis!
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Or confuse Jennifer's (taped) background vocals with the (taped) strings that accompanied Gaga?
rocktivity
P.S. I myself didn't realize it was Lady Gaga at first -- I was thrown off by both her over-enunciated singing AND her new nose!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)theater. So Gaga's strings were live if she wanted them to be, just not present in the room.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Their bowing was totally out of synch with the music!
rocktivity
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)I deeply regret my insensitive comment. I didn't know the meaning and would never intentionally use hurtful language. I sincerely apologize
Cha
(297,405 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I think that she was trying to complement (in a condescending manner) Lady Gaga's voice. In effect, that she has a nice voice if you hear her w/o the jigaboo music. Use of the word in that manner has a specific and clear meaning. She is on the air and was trying to make a point so she chose that word. No excuse.
She should have responded to the fervor, "I work for Fox so I don't have to worry about such things." She will be promoted to co-anchor on Fox and Friends.
Throd
(7,208 posts)blue neen
(12,326 posts)It's time to contact Cleveland Fox 8.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Lady Gaga was singing classic Sound of Music songs.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)This local anchor, however, was educated at fundamentalist religious schools.
Capel graduated from Heritage Academy (a parochial school affiliated with the Assemblies of God) in Kentucky in 2001. She won a sports scholarship to Evangel University, a religious school affiliated with the Assemblies of God, where she completed a Bachelor of Science degree in Broadcasting and Public Relations with honors in 2005. She plans to continue her education with a Meteorology degree in order to become a meteorologist for a major network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristi_Capel
woolldog
(8,791 posts)She's a former beauty queen. She didn't know what the word meant.
VScott
(774 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Well, that is awkward.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)(jig-a-boo )