Jewish Woman Forced to Pay After NY Cabbie Yells ‘Jews Must Die’

[Behind the Aegis]

It seems Antisemitism is peering its ugly head out from all parts of the globe, including right here in New York City.

A long Island woman claims officers ordered her to pay for a taxi fare even after the driver bombarded her with anti-Semitic comments after he found out she was Jewish, the Daily News reported.

Baila Sebrow’s suit states that when she entered the taxi the driver asked her if she was Jewish. After she confirmed he yelled, “All Jews must die!”

Sebrow’s lawyer filed suit against the allegedly deranged driver and his cab company in Manhattan Supreme Court late Monday, according to the Daily News.

“The guy starts driving, he asks me if I’m Jewish. I said yes. His response was, ‘All Jews must die,’ ” Sebrow, 51, said.

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[Warpy]

1. Oh, if he got me where he was going, I'd pay the fare

but he'd get no tip from me except a verbal one about how harassing his fares was going to cost him a fortune in the long run. Then his company would get a phone call followed by a letter that would curl the hair in their noses.

Then again, I'm an Irish smartass, so the comment would be "Yes, we'll all die and so will you, so what?" Death, after all, is the great leveler.

[GitRDun]

59. +1

As horrible as what he said was, he does have the right to say it. A killer response usually puts people like this in their proper place. Maybe she makes some headway with the cab commission.

[11 Bravo]

67. If he asked me for a tip I might show him my pen knife and ...

suggest he perform a self-circumcision.

[Dorian Gray]

68. I'm an Irish smartass too

But I think I would be stunned if I was met with such vitriol. I don't know if I could smart-alek my way out of this. I'd be gobsmacked. Though I would probably insist that he pull over and let me out of the car immediately.

[Warren DeMontague]

2. No no no, dude, it's Surf Nazis

[eridani]

3. Disgusting!! n/t

[Nye Bevan]

4. So much for the traditional, regulated taxi services being vastly superior to the likes of Uber

because of their strict background checks etc.

[JHB]

11. There is, however, a system for investigating and adjudicating conflicting claims...

...through the Taxi & Limousine Commission.

How would Uber handle the same situation?

[ND-Dem]

37. well... if the driver had a record and bashed the passenger in the head with a hammer...

http://valleywag.gawker.com/uber-driver-charged-for-bashing-a-passenger-in-the-head-1639711808

they might say "not our job to do background checks; drivers are 'independent contractors'!"

(who incidentally can't take tips they're so damned independent)

[Orrex]

41. As opposed to Uber's "any vehicle capable of forward motion" standard?

I know that you're kidding, because you can't possibly be condemning an entire industry based on this particular driver's idiocy.

I mean, last week an Uber driver parked me in and made me late for work. So much for the convenient, viable alternative to traditional, regulated taxi services, right?

[Cal Carpenter]

61. Wow, now that's an impressive stretch. Careful or you'll pull a muscle.

[magical thyme]

5. I've paid people who verbally abused me while providing a "service"

I've also made it my mission to complain about them afterwards.

In fact, I paid the excavator who trashed my property and then thought tried to con me into paying him to steal my top soil. I paid to to make sure he didn't spread word around that I was a deadbeat

I then made it my mission to explain to every person who I hired to repair the damage how it had come to be damaged. And told them who did it only after they asked.

A couple years later and he was out of business. Word gets around.

Really, just pay for the service, and then call the owner of the company and explain to them what happened. The business owner wants your money; they aren't going to pay somebody who abuses and drives away customers.

[Dorian Gray]

69. Good advice

[PCIntern]

6. Now is THIS guy considered anti-Semitic around here?

Since the woman who stomped the Jewish woman for not being Christian apparently wasn't by consensus, maybe this guy is fairly benign by comparison. Maybe he's just a little peeved and it was a "bad day" for him. Maybe, just maybe, he meant to say, "Watch your step upon leaving the taxi", but he had a Freudian slip and said , "All Jews must die." It could happen to anybody, right?

[Codeine]

9. It said in the article that she just filed suit day before yesterday.

The incident was on Sunday. When was the civil trial?

[Warren DeMontague]

12. TIME TRAVEL IS PART OF THE CONSPIRACY

TIME-TRAVELIN' JEWS, MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT SAY I DIDNT WARN YA

[Codeine]

13. They're a tricksy lot indeed. nt

[salin]

33. isn't that how the moon was bombed?

[Fred Sanders]

15. Exactly. When is the trial?

[Codeine]

17. You said the civil trial already happened and that she had lost.

Talk about propaganda.

[Fred Sanders]

18. I stand corrected, as I have said. No one is concerned the links are dead? When is the trial?

[Codeine]

19. Considering the suit seems to have just been filed,

I don't think that's been determined yet. Thanks for conceding that your statements about her having already lost the civil trial were complete fabrications.

[Fred Sanders]

20. Exactly. The truth has yet to be determined. Thank you.

[Codeine]

24. "There was a civil trial. She lost. After all the evidence was in."

Why did you make that statement?

[Orrex]

44. He has retracted that statement. (nt)

[Codeine]

21. No, I wasn't concerned about the link being dead.

People screw up links all the time. Took about 1.5 seconds with a search engine to find more information, which seemed more responsible than just making up some facts about a trial having taken place and this lady having lost her case when in fact nothing of the sort had occurred.

[Behind the Aegis]

48. I don't get it.

The link seems to work when I click it. Though, this is not the first time an anti-Semitic attack has taken place and some screamed "LIE!" or some other distraction (as seen below).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026050140

[Warren DeMontague]

79. Exactly. It took me about 5 seconds to figure out what was wrong with the link.

[PCIntern]

32. I wasn't referring to adjudication..

I asked the question as to whether someone who says that "Jews must die" is considered anti-Semitic here on Democratic Underground. so far I haven't heard an affirmative answer.

[Agnosticsherbet]

54. It is anti-semitic by strict definition, but Idon't speak for DU.

Perhaps if we took a poll we would discover most people like pie, hate Clinton, love Warren, consider anti-Zionism an ethical and moral stand, and dance the Peppermint Twist when no one is looking.

[HERVEPA]

62. Did you just notice that?

His religious biases have been clear for a while.

[salin]

34. I would say so.

Missed the commentary questioning the lady stomping as not being anti-Semitic. Wow.

[PCIntern]

35. ...you didn't miss much

just the usual deflecting "she's obviously mentally ill so blah blah blah."

Yup.

[salin]

36. as if these are mutually exclusive?

again. Wow.

[PCIntern]

40. Ex-actly. nt

[whatthehey]

64. actually, many apologists denied religion had *anything* to do with it at all

As if stomping on somebody of a different religion screaming at them to convert them to your religion is an entirely quotidien secular action without any motivation in religiosity at all.

[Enrique]

42. not if he didn't say any of those things n/t

[Fred Sanders]

7. Maybe she was not telling the truth becauses this got her sympathy after not paying the fare?

Zero corroborating evidence. Zero.


By the way at the link saying it links to the actual media reports do not work......

Filed under: "Poor Propganda".

[Warren DeMontague]

10. That's a fascinating conspiracy theory, Fred. Simply fascinating.

So let's see.... she got in the cab at the hotel, then told the cab to drive her BACK to the hotel, then made up an elaborate story and called the cops, all to avoid paying a fare for getting a ride to the same place she started out from?


Wow. Nice sleuthin', dude! That makes WAY more sense than the assertion that an NYC cab driver might have been a bad driver who made anti-Semitic comments.

Oh, and by the way, here's the working link. It was constructed badly, that's why it didn't work, but the story is actually there.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-cab-driver-yelled-death-jews-suit-article-1.2126948#bmb=1

And here's how the link was on the site from the OP, which you can see why it wouldn't work:

http://jpupdates.com/2015/02/24/jewish-woman-forced-pay-even-ny-cabbie-yells-anti-semitic-comments/%20http:/www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-cab-driver-yelled-death-jews-suit-article-1.2126948#bmb=1

I suppose that fuckup was "part of the conspiracy", too. FIENDSSSSSS!!!

[Fred Sanders]

14. I stand corrected. So, Verdict first, trial later? Thanks for the link not in the OP.

[Codeine]

16. But you twice asserted there was already a civil trial.

Was that in fact an incorrect assertion on your part?

[COLGATE4]

29. You will be waiting a long time for an answer,

I'm afraid.

[leftynyc]

26. Did you wait until after

Zimmerman was acquitted before you said he was guilty? Or is that just when something like this comes up?

[whatthehey]

66. s'ok he knows why Hicks shot those Muslim kids too.

verdict before trial is fine in that case. Muslim cabbie was it?

[Bluenorthwest]

28. I think you should explain why you claimed there was a trial and a verdict against her already.

Utterly prevaricated. Total fiction, a falsehood streaming from your own fantasias, your own prejudices it seems.
Several posters have asked you to explain why you would make a false declaration like that.
Explain your mendacity, Fred Sanders.
Edited to add another thread in which you make false allegations toward a DUer while attempting to minimize and dismiss crimes motivated by bias against the victims. It is clear that you have different standards for reacting to hate crimes, depending on who the victim is and who the criminal is. I think DU as a community needs to look at this pattern.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026050140

[COLGATE4]

70. K&R

[Warren DeMontague]

78. I'm wondering why you immediately assumed she was lying.

although I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer on that one.

[leftynyc]

25. Perhaps you should delete

this post seeing as it's a complete lie. There has been no trial and the complaint went in yesterday.

[backscatter712]

39. I'll take "Blaming the Victim" for a thousand, Alex. n/t

[HERVEPA]

63. Filed under anti-semite.

[DanTex]

74. Dude, what's your angle here? You really think she made this up to get a free cab ride?

Oh, and what do you mean "Poor Propaganda"? What sort of "propaganda" would this fall under.

[HERVEPA]

75. His angle is that she's Jewish.

It's a reflex for him. He can't help it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

76. Every news story about terrorism that involves ISIS you denounce as anti-Islamic propaganda but

you make up this story out of wholecloth about racist, cheapskate Jews.

You're a real piece of work.

[leftynyc]

22. Was this a NY cab or a car company?

I can't really tell although they did mention the TLC. Did she get the name of the driver? I'd sue them into the poor house. Rotten little motherfucker.

[William769]

23. It's not only New York City.

[KittyWampus]

27. I was arguing with a Muslim cabbie about accepting Allah as the only true faith-

he wasn't shouting at me. But I kept trying to point out that whatever name you call "Unity and Peace" it's still the same "Unity and Peace" where ever you go. Just different colored glass holding the same transparent water.

He would have none of it.

That said, I'd be really upset if confronted with that amount of hostility in a cabbie. And perhaps even fearful.

Paying, getting the tags written down and heading to a lawyer and lodging a complaint ASAP would seem the best course, IMO.

[ND-Dem]

38. why would you argue religion with a cab driver? would you argue religion with a lawyer you're

paying for a service?

seems like arguing religion, or politics, or anything that's a matter of personal belief and opinion with people hired to perform a job is kind of a bad idea.

(same goes for the people doing the job arguing with their employers)

[Enrique]

45. I agree

a bad idea in general, but even worse the way KittyWampus describes how she went about it.

[KittyWampus]

53. It's called "conversation". NYC has cabbies from all over the world. I talk to them.

And he initiated the con-ver-sa-tion about Allah.

[HappyMe]

49. Why would you do that?

I would have pulled over, asked for the fare, and put you out of the taxi if I was that driver.

[KittyWampus]

56. He started the conversation. It is very weird that anyone would have an issue with that.

Apparently a lot of DU'ers just don't talk to strangers.

[HappyMe]

57. You made no mention of who started

the conversation in your other post.

No, I don't always talk to strangers. I particularly don't discuss politics or religion with them. I ride in taxis in NYC all the time. Not a single driver brought up religion. Ever.

[malaise]

30. Most AfricanAmericans wouldn't even be allowed in the cab to be insulted

even celebrities

[Tom Ripley]

31. Fucked up beyond belief

[Enrique]

43. the news story includes all of the necessary qualifications

"alleges", "claims", etc.

They do that for a reason.

[one_voice]

46. Ugh...you know...

you read shit like this and you shake your head and think what the fuck. When I see some of the comments in this thread I have to check to see what the fuck alternate universe I've stumbled into cuz I shouldn't see that shit here.

I hope this woman gets some type of justice.

[Behind the Aegis]

50. Yeah...lots of head shaking going on for sure.

It never fails (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026050140) was a more recent one too. It sends a very clear message to a certain group.

[JustAnotherGen]

52. Not in regards to the link BTA

But I can't believe what I just read on this thread. . . I think I have to go throw up now .

[one_voice]

58. Awful! You're a much more..

patient person than I. Seriously. I would have gotten a post hidden.




My first thought...^^^^


It's blatant too, right out there. It was nice to see others call it out and not just let it go. Sorry you have to deal with that.

[Behind the Aegis]

77. Oh c'mon now. You KNOW me!

You have known me over a year, so you know it is not "patience" but "bemusement" I am displaying.

Of course, more "wonderful" comments have been added, including whether she should even be believed. It seems when certain groups are victims of bigotry, extraordinary proof is required before they are to be believed. Anytime a story like this is posted, it demonstrates one thing...we know what it is.

[dilby]

47. You pay the fair and then you tell everyone you know not to use them.

Because someone is a d-bag it does not get you out from having to pay for a service. This company has gotten way more negative publicity which will hurt them more than if she did not pay them $30. I just wish the reporter would have identified the taxi company in the story.

[KamaAina]

55. That's not how NYC cabs work

You take whichever one shows up first.

edit: In fact, it's hard to tell from the outside who the operator is, because they're all painted yellow with "NYC Taxi" in black.

[leveymg]

51. He sure blew his tip, anyway.

[PlanetaryOrbit]

71. Why shouldn't she have to pay? That's a separate issue.

If I eat a meal at a restaurant, and then the waitress insults me, I still have to pay for the meal.


It would be a real slippery slope to issue a legal ruling that people don't have to pay for a product if they are offended after the service has been rendered.

[Enrique]

72. this story involves NYPD cops showing favoritism to a Muslim

just so we understand what's being alleged.

[Comrade Grumpy]

73. Is there any evidence to support this woman's claims?

If not, I don't see how this goes anywhere.

Maybe the cab driver said those things, maybe he didn't.

I don't know anything about the cab driver, and all I know about the woman is that police said she was "combative and belligerent."