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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNo Exit: “Nighthawks” by Edward Hopper.
Unconsciously, probably, I was painting the loneliness of a large city.
--Edward Hopper
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1942. Art Institute of Chicago
Nighthawks was painted in 1942 at the point of Americas entrance into World War II. It was a time of heightened anxiety over a coming world conflict and the beginning of an uncertain recovery from a Great Depression that was still an overhang in peoples minds.
It is possible that Hopper had read W.H.Audens eerie poem, September 1, 1939 published two years before Hopper painted this work. Auden seems to articulate the mood and feel of Nighthawks, as in this passage
I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade...
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night...
Nighthawks reshaped what painting looked like in America, and created a visual language for a way of seeing middle-class existence and its underlying darkest fears and doubts. No wonder then that it has been incessantly reproduced (and often parodied). It becomes difficult to view this painting with fresh eyes.
Is the oft made comparison of Nighthawks to film noir inevitable? The male imagery of noir-ish settings and lighting in the work is certainly easy to comprehend. There is the dark wood of the bar and bar stools. Two of the men are in the suits and wearing the iconic fedoras of that era, recalling (or presaging?) the often haunted male private investigator, and a Lady in red image for the woman. Her long red hair, red lipstick and low cut red dress does resonate with our understanding of the film style. She rather idly fingers the matches that will light her companions cigarette. A fat stogie appears in the Phillies cigar advertisement above the diner. The counterman appears busier but may also be apprehensive about the man sitting alone holding a glass. The viewer gets a bit of this unease...is he there to rob the diner? Does he have a gun?
The people in this painting appear to be sealed into this glass encased existence...no door is shown for them to leave...only the swinging door leading to the kitchen....it suggests a kind of endless loop and no way for anyone to leave the diner.
However, a converse meaning emerges: the light of the diner, spilling out on the street below, holds back the darkness and provides a sanctuary against that ultimate night in a world without God or spiritual solace. A bulwark against despair. The contrast of dead space around the diner is not negative space. It is integral to the paintings essence.
It is said that Hopper himself was influenced in this painting by reading Hemingways The Killers, a story about men who plot the killing of another man they meet in a bar. Despite their murderous intent, the deed is never carried out.
That short story has the sense of something about to happen, and it never does. In a way, Hopper's paintings seem like that. So that enables writers and filmmakersfiction writers and poets, and other artists, perhaps to project their own imagination onto the painting.
Interpretations about Nighthawkss meaning have evolved. The first great essay about Hopper, by Alfred Barr, dates from the 1930s, and did not discuss loneliness as a defining theme in the work. Rather, Barr discusses Hopper as a painter of light and architecture. But today, Hopper is almost always identified with the tag of loneliness.
What might explain this shift in interpretation is the appearance of David Riesman's groundbreaking book The Lonely Crowd in 1950. The book argues that American society had become other directed" in its change from being production oriented to being consumer oriented, resulting in increasing wealth but also in a deep and abiding loneliness in our national psyche and specifically located in an alienated urban dynamo. Nighthawks becomes a kind of visible identification of Reismans thesis and what comes to mind when we use the term Hopperesque to describe a modern work of art. Hopper did not want this fine a point put on his work, saying "The loneliness thing is overdone." Art historian Carol Troyan revises this view further in her catalogue essay on the artist, saying that that Hopper is perhaps best seen as the painter of solitude and serenity.
Gale Levin, who wrote five books on Hopper, points to Night Cafe by Vincent Van Gogh as a possible influence for Nighthawks. I very much see the connection even if others do not. There is despair in Van Goghs work although red and green dominate there, while deep red, yellow and brown dominate in the more desolate Nighthawks. And in contrast to Hoppers signature raking light effects, Van Gogh introduces disquiet in Night Cafe with his jittery overhead (gas?) lights. There are disconsolate drinkers here who are practically insensate, flopped over on their tables. The mood is not good. Van Gogh, who regularly drank there, knew it well.
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The Night Cafe. 1888. Yale University Art Gallery, New Haven
Art critic Peter Schjeldahl has an interesting take on Hoppers less than great artistic technique
...Hopper painted with reproducibility on his mind, as a new function and fate of images in his time. This is part of what makes him modernand persistently misunderstood, by detractors, as merely an illustrator. If Nighthawks is an illustration, a kick in the head is a lullaby.
John Updike observed, "Hopper is always on the verge of telling a story." If so what's the story? Hopper gives you the last word on Nighthawks meaning. He presents the scene. It is up to you to imagine the conclusion.
NOTE: The location of the diner in Nighthawks has been identified on Greenwich Avenue in lower Manhattan, a street closed off in the 1960s to make way for the construction of the Twin Towers.
How Hopperesque.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)The Truro paintings--not so much.
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CaliforniaPeggy
(149,678 posts)Your descriptions are riveting and seem very logical and meaningful to me.
Thank you...
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)It's obvious....
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)It's all about parody...
Aristus
(66,436 posts)It's far from my favorite Hopper painting. "Office In A Small City" and "Boy And Moon" being two of his works that affect me more than this one.
But it is a fascinating painting.
I was glad to see the critic at least hint at a positive interpretation, that the diner and its brightly-lit space are a welcoming beacon of safety, rather than the standard explanation that the diner is sterile, spiritless, and devoid of warmth. The optimistic view was my interpretation way back when I was a kid, long before I read critical reviews of the work.
One critic also suggested that the light falling on the cash register in the window across the street was a hint the someone in the diner was planning a robbery for later that night. Not sure what to make of that, but I like reading the many different ideas.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)it seems a bit strange to have a cash register in an open space, seen from the street. Kinda makes you wonder. A rock thru the window, grab and go...if there is anything in it, but still...
what did you make of the film noir thing? Hopper's stuff came earlier than film noir (which originated in German Expressionism) so if anything, film noir kinda copied Nighthawks...am I right here...
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)I am in Chicago. It is my screensaver.
There was a great Hopper show a couple of years ago in Boston.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Schjeldahl posits earlier in that article I quote that he didn't see that much more in Nighthawks in person than he saw in reproductions. Was that your reaction?
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)it becomes "real" to me. I read Custer's last words in a note, but when I actually saw the note at West Point, it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up! I guess I feel the same about Nighthawks in person. It's real! and Hopper stood at the other end of a brush and painted it.
So I see a lot in the painting because I like to see the piece in person, see brushstrokes and such.
Posters, postcards, notecards-nice, but not the same. I feel the artist in the real painting.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)intrigued with seeing them in person. I carry a little pocket magnifier to get closer to brushstrokes, altho in some museums I have been gently tapped on the shoulder by museum guards and told to put it away and back off from the picture (I've set off alarms briefly by leaning in too closely ).
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)the alarms. Can't get enough of art 'in situ'.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)always a challenge...
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)edhopper
(33,604 posts)It wasn't Greenwich St. downtown. It was Greenwich Ave. in the West Village, near where he lived. And while there was a diner there he used as reference, the glass triangle shape it taken from the iconic Flat Iron Bldg.
At the Whitney's Hopper show a few years ago, they showed the various subjects he used for this painting.
They did this during the show.
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CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I lived in Greenwich Village years ago
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I lived on Bank St. between Waverly and West 4th. This painting always reminds me of that neighborhood. I would walk by that spot to work every day. I loved that neighborhood.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)also briefly on Washington PLace and on Christopher Street. But that is soooo long ago! However, my three kids were all born in NYC. Only my son is there now, but he lives on the Lower East Side...
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)There was so much to see just taking a stroll around the neighborhood. I hear that the LES in Manhattan is now getting to be very trendy.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)was definitely not trendy. My son lives at a Co-op section. These were cooperatives built a while back by Utopian types who desired a shared ownership of these apartments. They are now in high demand...
petronius
(26,603 posts)more of a tight comparison:
"Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never go out,
The music must always play,
All the conventions conspire
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have never been happy or good."
It's definitely interesting to think about the importance of that street portion of the canvas: there's a temptation to think of it as 'negative space' and a frame, providing balance in a rule-of-thirds kind of way, but it's much more than that. Now that you mention it, the absence of humanity in that huge portion of the painting--a bouquet (?) and the cash register in windows, but otherwise nothing, no person, no vehicle, no benches, litter, newspaper racks, trash cans, nothing--is sort of jarring...
As always, thank you for the thoughtful and thought-provoking thread!
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I'm going to have to pull out my magnifier to look for it in Nighthawks. It's obvious in The Night Cafe, but I cannot discern it in Nighthawks...
petronius
(26,603 posts)that blob is a flower pot or bouquet on the window sill...
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)and the magnifier for me to discern it (my eyesight is getting worse and worse!). A flower pot would make more sense, of course...
It's great how you take the effort to do a fine-grained look at the art I post!
petronius
(26,603 posts)my brain wouldn't twist that far.
I saw you comment on the urns in a different subthread, and I'd never really paid attention to them. It's interesting how large and prominent they are, and how this cafe doesn't obviously serve anything else - I guess coffee made the world go around even then. (I also notice that one of the urns is empty and the other nearly so; the solitary dangerous man might erupt when the coffee runs out, or at least that's how it would play out if Clint Eastwood directed a movie version of Nighthawks... )
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)running low...
yellowwoodII
(616 posts)Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.
I think that it references the fact that Germans were so punished by England after the Armistice that Hitler and the Nazis gained power. Reminds me that Isis may well have arisen from the destruction of Iraq.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)and I think you are spot on with your Isis-Iraq War comparison...
blogslut
(38,007 posts)It conveys a quietness that is respectful of the sleeping world but the brightness of the light and color states, quite boldly, "We are not sleeping."
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)they add to the composition.
There are so many ways to look at this painting and so many interpretations in competition!
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)and yes, I see the comparison with Van Gogh.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Love to Wes and Ginger!
Heidi
(58,237 posts)Super to see you, gf!
Consider your love passed on to my two favorite guys!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)rather than later. I am thinking about Europe this Spring. Need a break soon!
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)artistic intent...
flying rabbit
(4,636 posts)whatever the intent. Thanks for these.
nolabear
(41,990 posts)On the one hand I like seeing it get the nod but on the other...ick.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)It's interesting, a picture in a picture copying a picture. Clever.
sakabatou
(42,170 posts)See how many DUers you can spot:
yuiyoshida
(41,835 posts)on display at the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, and I got to see it.. I was so thrilled.
I think I bought a poster, its probably still wrapped up in a poster tube, inside my closet.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)There are others that I'd like to see...
yuiyoshida
(41,835 posts)was so long ago, sorry.
Mosby
(16,334 posts)Always wondered if there is a connection between the two hopper paintings.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)titled it "Seventh Avenue Shops." So it might be a good bet that it's another section of the West Village...
Mosby
(16,334 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)frankfacts
(80 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)My favorite Hopper.
Great thread.
Edit to add: I never saw Nighthawks as "dark." Musicians hang out at places like that after the show. or at Waffle House if playing in the boonies in the South. It gave me more of a feeling of comfort that, even late at night, you can go somewhere like that and get some eggs and toast.
The waiter/coffee slinger just looks like he's telling the lone dude he'll be right there, and the woman seems to be contemplating whether to light a fire with this dude she's seeing or not.
Funny how everyone has their own interpretation. But then, I have no clue as to the artist's intent or mindset at the time, as others would.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)high tension over another war. So it's quite a natural assumption that this painting had everything to do with that anxiety. But he might have just wanted to show a place late at night where someone could come in and have a cup of coffee, as you say. Like a street scene picture of people doing what they do...he was, after all, an "American Realist" painter...
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)or song. We all have our own experiences that color our perceptions.
So he probably was riffing off the times, but I never knew the context of the painting so always saw it as oddly comforting. It's interesting to know more about Hopper's work.
I love your art threads! So much fun.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Thanks for posting this.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I like her ekphrasis...and yours too...
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Hopper, Oates, me and someone in Second Life who created the set.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I have been researching Jackson Pollock for a future art essay here on DU and I was looking at "Full Fathom Five" and thinking "the bits of color in that painting reminds me of what compressed stacks of recycled paper coming out of recycling plants looks like. My eye and the 21st century eye, his painting and vision. Art is reified in succeeding generations.
Thank you for bringing this up. I have been thinking about this today. What a fascinating topic!
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)based on just the kind of leap of thinking you described. They too are recycling.
I love the notion of the paper recreating Pollack's painting. This is why I always enjoy your art threads. I feel like I get a chance to learn so much from yours and others' insights.
As for my little mash-up, you can imagine how surprised I was when my little Second Life avatar walked into Hopper's Diner. I recognized it right away! And I had to film. This is a new interactive aspect of art only possible due to the sudden availability of images and talented individuals sharing new ideas.
I wish I was better at expressing how much I love this collaboration.
DU is like this at times.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)a clue (I do have a hint, tho). How did you come about Oates's poem (essay?) about Nighthawks? Tell me more about your creative process (if you don't mind my asking). I'm intrigued.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)such as the one I posted. I film my character and others in action.
I had to create a character (or avatar) to move around and interact in the world. People there create the backgrounds and all the content. I am just a traveller. Some creations are as unsophisticated as lollipops and rainbows. Others are so elaborate you would believe you are in the actual places. Vassar College once had a scale copy of the Sistine Chapel in SL. You could actually walk around the place as if you were in the real thing. When people build stuff like that, it is truly artful.
Another wonderful build involved a Van Gogh exhibit that was interactive. One could sit in the paintings. It was a virtual Van Gogh Museum that recreated scenes in Arles and from the paintings. Something impossible to recreate in real life.
It is an entirely novel art form. I have really participated in some amazing art events in SL. Last year, I participated in a collaborative work which was part of a larger exhibition being held in the main exhibition hall of Moscows Manege Museum. Russian Constructivist Art 1914-1924. When I say I participate, I mean I was provided a costume which allowed me to be part of the artwork.
You would probably like SL. It is a very intense art environment. Sadly, the art is not permanent. So I try and film it if I can.
The poem by Oates was in a textbook I use. I was able to get permission from the publisher to use it (educational use). Her piece is actually titled "Edward Hopper, Nighthawks, 1942." The diner was in a build where the owner of the place was selling xmas trees! And yes real money exchanged for virtual trees. Clearly, tree seller also loved Hopper as she copied the diner and made it possible to sit at the counter just like the painting. All I did was provide some bodies in costume. And that Sexy voice. Ha!
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)OK, I will research that.
You have been helpful but complicated, which i fine...life is like that...love it...
edhopper
(33,604 posts)There are indeed many layers to Hopper's paimntings.
I want to add that the location of the diner has been debated for years, with no consensus.
The reason is a composite he used several locations. One was the intersection of Greenwich and 7th Ave South (not near the WTC) which has sharp angled streets unlike NY's normal grid.
But a revelation of the recent Whitney Museum's Hopper show was that he also used the famous Flat Iron Building as reference.
They had this display in that building when the exhibit was going on.
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CTyankee
(63,912 posts)edhopper
(33,604 posts)it was very cool to see.
If you Google map 7th Ave south and Greenwich, you will see what i mean about that intersection.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)now...
edhopper
(33,604 posts)Hopperville, cool.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I really see the comparison of this painting and film noir. I think it is one of the reasons that people really dig it.
he was very influenced by cinema, so it follows.