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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo why is Hillary willing to carry two phones now, but not in 2009?
Saw this article and it got me to thinking. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/10/hillary-clinton-emails-blackberry/24725993/
"Okay, in full disclosure? And a BlackBerry," she said.
So two phones was too much of a hassle as Secretary of State. But two phones for a person considering running for President is no problem? Um.... What?
OK, so still trying to wrap my head around this. Two devices for the Secretary of State was too much of a hassle. Yet two devices are apparently no problem for private citizen Hillary as she considers a Presidential Run and has far less official business to conduct with national security implications.
I'm still trying. Really I am. Um. Let me get back to you on why this makes perfect sense.
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pnwmom
(108,980 posts)I barely used my cell phone. Over time, it's become a bigger part of my life.
In 2009 there were many reports about Obama himself being unhappy about having to use two cell phones. So why should anyone be surprised that Hillary -- having the option to use only one -- did so?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Because it's not 2009 anymore!
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)but I have only "texted/emailed" only one message from a cell phone in my entire life!
So Hillary, who is at least a little bit older than me, is as usual much more savvy than me on these subjects.
So if she says it is just more convenient to use one phone, by God I understand that - period!
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NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)You do not need two phones to have two separate e-mail accounts. Hillary is not that naive, and if she is then it's time for retirement. the private server is not something you just pop into wall mart and buy a kit. it's impossible to understand WHY YOU WANT A PRIVATE SERVER, and at the same time pretend to be so ignorant as to think you need two phones for two e-mail address. i don't think Hillary is ignorant or naive, ...she fucked up and got caught doing it, and instead of killing the story when it became known, she played coy and tweeted. Now it is a big deal. The house and senate are not letting this go. You may not be as savvy as some, but trust me, the two phone thing was surreal it was so ignorant. She is not ignorant, but she fucked up.
the private e-mail was never an issue, is not even that uncommon, when it's all captured by a government server. She captured all her e-mails at home, off the government server, and when caught, "said" she turned them all over, except the 30,000 she deleted about yoga, a wedding and chelsea. THAT is the issue, her taking the protocol of captured information away from the system. She pulled the pin on a political hand granede and handed it to the republicans asking that they toss it to her.
the appearance of deceit, slow to react, and a moronic answer to the problem. She handed the republicans a campaign long magazine of political ammo. i would like to have believed Hillary was at least as "tech savvy" as any teenager.
Fla Dem
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WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Fla Dem
(23,690 posts)"Eric Bolling, co-host of Fox News' The Five, accused Hillary Clinton of "blusters" and "lying" for saying in her press conference that she was unable to securely access multiple email accounts on one mobile phone, opting instead to use her own email server instead of using two phones. But at the time, it was reportedly not possible to have two accounts on a secure BlackBerry like the one Clinton carreid."
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http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/10/fox-host-said-clinton-was-lying-but-she-couldnt/202833
Why Hillary Clinton couldn't put two email accounts on the same BlackBerry
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"Clinton's run as secretary of state began in 2009. Even back then, most smartphones could accommodate more than one email account, so Clinton's excuse for not wanting two devices for two email addresses may not ring true to many people.
However, the question of multiple accounts is separate from that of security. The reason many people needed to carry around multiple devices is because work and personal data co-mingling on the same device is frowned upon by most IT departments. There's a real concern of attack vectors on the personal side (where strict adherence to best security practices is rare), but there's also the concern that IT would suddenly have dominion over all your personal data, with the ability to read it, secure it and even wipe it at will."
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http://mashable.com/2015/03/10/hillary-clinton-email-blackberry/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)In my experience, at work people will have two or three cellphones and it's a PITA. You can't access your personal email on a work device. If you happen to work on two separate networks then you have to have a phone for each. I've known people that have had to carry three: personal, company, and one for the program bc it was run on a separate network.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts).......some of those people were saying that they were carrying two or three personal e-mail accounts in addition to a couple of work accounts on their Blackberrys. And that thread went back to 2009, so I still think this "I didn't want to have to carry two phones" excuse is a red herring.
Could be wrong, of course, but what those people on that thread were talking about sure makes it seem that way.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)I doubt half the Govt higher ups used more than one phone in 09.
Try to remember that we are talking about 2009.
Now consider the pace phone technology has become today.
Think I had a "new" flip phone then. Unfortunately its so obsolete today I cannot retrieve the pics of my granddaughter from it. Nope says, ATT, cannot be done. E V E R.
Not too hard to wrap my head around what Hillary was doing in 09 as compared to what she is doing today as to phones she carries.
Put the timeline in perspective. That may help.
JaneyVee
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Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)In 2009, almost everyone at the State Department (everyone I knew, anyway, myself included) carried two phones: their government-issued BlackBerry, and their private phone.
You didn't want to use the BlackBerry as a private phone, because it for what I hope are obvious reasons; you couldn't use it for anything other than state.gov email because State wouldn't allow you to configure it that way. And you couldn't use your private phone for work, because only your BlackBerry could access the State Dept servers.
That was not only true in 2009; it's been true for the entire cell phone era, up until today. State continues to issue BlackBerries, and BlackBerries only (they're apparently far more secure than iPhones of Androids), and limit the ability to customize and configure them.
But the thing is -- Hillary's now a private citizen. She's not subject to State protocols. So I at least wonder why she's carrying two phones; I suspect she continues to maintain the BlackBerry for secure communication. But the point is, it would have made far more sense for her, as a State Department official, to carry two phones in 2009 than it does for her to do so now as a private citizen.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)She conducted secretary of state business on a private server, without the ability to confirm that all government e-mails were captured, except her word. Everybody at the state department, including you,....run your government phone thru a private server ? Bet not.
using the two phone inconvenience reason for the private server was embarrassing and impossible to fathom. How does every republican from now on owning the governments business thru private servers sound ? That is the precedent being set up with not acknowledging the fuck up.
DemocratSinceBirth
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Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Or does she have to carry AND dial her own phones?
I can think of plenty of companies where
her arrogance would be a fireable offense.
You use the company gear, and follow protocol
regardless of how INCONVENIENT you find it.
You don't follow the policy, empty your desk...your fired.
Certainly NOT promoted 
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Beausoir
(7,540 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Doesn't want BC to find something out?
Tailor started altering her pockets to make them larger?
She hired someone at below minimum wage just to carry her additional phone?
So she has one to throw and all the Gowdy boot lickers?
Why two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)geek tragedy
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marlakay
(11,473 posts)I got tired of so much stuff on one account so I set one up for personal, bills, info and travel.
I love it, I am very organized now.
And I can reach them all on my iPhone. But I will say before iphone I had to check on iPad or computer, have only had phone 2 years.
My previous phone wasn't a smart phone.
So while I am not the biggest Hillary supporter I can see her point a bit, it's just been the last 3 years smart phones are everywhere and let's face it she is older and probably not as techie as most under 40.
I am not putting her down by this, I think if we all stopped and thought of how quick things have changed in the cell phone world we would get it.
If anything young people who worked for her should have advised her on it. When she first set up her private servers I wonder why no one thought how it would look to mix personal and work stuff.
madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)Okay, like her I am a 'woman of a certain age'. I'm not what you would call a technophobe, but I'm not the one you want to call with any kind of cyber emergency. I still need to borrow the occasional 8-year-old to hook up my television or show me how to use features on my laptop or cell phone. When I went back to school in '94 they had to show me the 'on' button for the machine in the computer lab, seeing as how I had never touched a computer prior to that. I didn't get my first cell phone until about six years ago, and only managed to learn the basics of texting over this last Christmas holiday.
Those who are half my age grew up with the technology that some of us are still adjusting to. I mean, there are adults in my life who have never used a coin phone or a phone booth; yet well into my own adulthood those were the go-to necessities if you needed to connect once you left the house. The concept that my itty bitty cell phone has more computing capability than the entire first space shuttle is still hard to wrap my brain around.
My nephews roll their eyes at my habit of writing with pen on paper for such things as shopping lists, addresses and phone numbers, calendar events, etc. Such behavior is as alien to them as their constant thumbing of their phones is to me. It seems that I'm constantly adjusting into more new tech and decreasing familiarities.
Anyway, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Hillary, upon becoming SOS, had more important things on her mind than how many email accounts she could have on one device. Frankly, I would hope that she had more important things to consider. It really isn't that big a deal, at least not to me.
MANative
(4,112 posts)and people learn how to use it differently as those technologies evolve. Until three months ago, my 78-year-old mother had never even held a cell phone in her hand. Now she's texting, emailing, and checking her new Facebook page. I have NO problem with what Hillary did, or what she's said about what she did.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)If we're going to criticize Hillary, let's stick to policy.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
Nye Bevan
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handmade34
(22,756 posts)one less reason for idiotic Republicans to complain
we can do it
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MineralMan
(146,317 posts)The Blackberry was top of the hill, really. And it was very difficult, if not impossible to use two different email accounts using one at the time. My wife had a Blackberry then, too. It drove her nuts, because she had three or four email addresses at the time, and was very frustrated.
In any case, it was permissible for her to use a private email account at the time, so why wouldn't she do just that to simplify her life? This is a bogus issue, actually, and its flames are being fanned by Republicans.
I wonder what led you to ask this question, really?
stone space
(6,498 posts)I was told a couple of years ago that my mailbox is full.
It still is.
I don't know to empty it.
My phone is way too smart for me.
