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malaise

(269,054 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:27 PM Mar 2015

Psssssssssssssssssst I heard that the police chief in Ferguson

will be stepping down...expect more resignations

Thanks Obama - thanks Eric Holder - thanks for the protests America.

The City Manager resigned last night.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahha

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Psssssssssssssssssst I heard that the police chief in Ferguson (Original Post) malaise Mar 2015 OP
FINALLY!!! blm Mar 2015 #1
malaise was correct :) Here's the LBN thread about this good news Electric Monk Mar 2015 #57
This is some really good news! herding cats Mar 2015 #2
I was about to post this story, glad I checked first CatWoman Mar 2015 #3
Hi there sis malaise Mar 2015 #4
... CatWoman Mar 2015 #6
"Ferguson’s city manager, it should be noted, resigned yesterday." ... freebrew Mar 2015 #92
We need to celebrate. This is great news. azmom Mar 2015 #5
K&R Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #7
Very good news. I hope the whole department is shut down. That would leave Wilson again sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #8
He'll probably head for Ohio malaise Mar 2015 #10
Yeah, he's going to work on taking down the Cincinnatti police dept. cui bono Mar 2015 #78
Please, no! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #86
Wilson already resigned. glowing Mar 2015 #15
Yes, I forgot that he had resigned. Is he receiving benefits? And are they from that Department? sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #18
I don't think so... He waited till the Grand Jury decided he didn't glowing Mar 2015 #27
From what I read a while back. zeemike Mar 2015 #32
I thought he was going to resign. Was that just PR? nt tblue37 Mar 2015 #33
The fact that the Manager is gone and he is leaving today suggests that malaise Mar 2015 #42
I agree, when I was reading about how their City Council/PD etc works, the City Manager appears to sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #49
CNN surprised me malaise Mar 2015 #75
Great post, sabrina 1! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #87
Excellent news! Spazito Mar 2015 #9
He's stepping today malaise Mar 2015 #11
I am hoping the next step is to disband the whole Ferguson Police Department... Spazito Mar 2015 #16
Yep disband them. zeemike Mar 2015 #34
If the current Police Department is disbanded, the question is will the city... Spazito Mar 2015 #40
Why not hire new cops from the community. zeemike Mar 2015 #45
If they make the decision to reconstruct a new police force from scratch... Spazito Mar 2015 #47
Bob McCulloch (the DA) needs to go Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #12
And the Governor has a lot to answer for also. When is he up for reelection? sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #13
He can't run again due to term limits. pintobean Mar 2015 #19
Good, I hope he doesn't run for anything else. He was a disgrace, especially as a Democrat sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #22
Oh sure... Ino Mar 2015 #61
Not after Ferguson, he can't. pintobean Mar 2015 #69
He has served 2 terms... Ino Mar 2015 #21
What passes in Missouri Democrat anyway. Gore1FL Mar 2015 #35
+1 Enthusiast Mar 2015 #88
Because his grand jury pintobean Mar 2015 #14
No, because he put a lying witness on the stand, knowing she was lying. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #20
They put quite a few lying witnesses on the stand. pintobean Mar 2015 #25
Comment Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #50
Have you read the report? pintobean Mar 2015 #53
Yes, I have. Have you? Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #60
Yes. And that conclusion found that Wilson's pintobean Mar 2015 #63
Where does it say that the grand jury concluded any such thing? Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #66
I didn't say the DOJ report mentioned the gj pintobean Mar 2015 #67
How do you know the GJ came to that specific conclusion? Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #71
I need to put this in my sig line CatWoman Mar 2015 #65
good luck with trying to rationalize over the sound of that beating drum CatWoman Mar 2015 #58
You still haven't read it, huh? pintobean Mar 2015 #59
I hope they never get another chance to destroy families again. Hutzpa Mar 2015 #17
Wonderful news for the citizens of Ferguson! Cracklin Charlie Mar 2015 #23
Some half-wit said the protesters were wrong for disrupting traffic. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #24
A lot of half-wits, actually. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #31
I would be a half-wit like that. I prefered disrupting voting registration sites by registering. nt Gore1FL Mar 2015 #38
Disrupting traffic romanic Mar 2015 #84
+1! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #89
Excellent! peacebird Mar 2015 #26
Like I wrote last night...Holder really fucked up their shit. They might be msanthrope Mar 2015 #28
Holder is an old pro in matters civil rights malaise Mar 2015 #43
i'm positively GIDDY CatWoman Mar 2015 #68
I'm also delighted that progressives are making the connections with malaise Mar 2015 #72
Let's nope no one else hires them. progressoid Mar 2015 #29
they will just get honorary promotions at hopemountain Mar 2015 #81
K&R! TeamPooka Mar 2015 #30
Good riddance to bad rubbish. nt hifiguy Mar 2015 #36
Looks that way BumRushDaShow Mar 2015 #37
Thank the power of protest and the Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #39
I wonder how much FOX News will hire him for? nt jobycom Mar 2015 #41
One, two, three, AWWWWWWW! KamaAina Mar 2015 #44
Congratulations Fearless Mar 2015 #46
Don't get too excited. All that means is that he's accepted the job as CLEVELAND Police Cheif. TrollBuster9090 Mar 2015 #48
Much of white america thinks Holder and Obama are the reason we have problems with NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #51
Clean house! Ilsa Mar 2015 #52
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #54
The DOJ refusal to prosecute one rotten cop is coming into perspective Warpy Mar 2015 #55
Well said, Warpy. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #90
Hey malaise !!! - Take A Look At The Front Page Of HuffPo: WillyT Mar 2015 #56
Wow! Delish!!! malaise Mar 2015 #74
YES!! Rex Mar 2015 #62
Excellent news Hekate Mar 2015 #64
Thanks Pres Obama & AG Holder! Mahalo malaise! Cha Mar 2015 #70
looks like their scam is up Skittles Mar 2015 #73
good! napkinz Mar 2015 #76
If PD disbands, why can't the good citizens advertise a help wanted across the nation? chknltl Mar 2015 #77
Or, they could try something altogether different..... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #79
I've not heard of this. This short clip is interesting. chknltl Mar 2015 #83
The reason we are at this point nilesobek Mar 2015 #80
I'm sure he has a bright future on Fox Noise as a pundint nxylas Mar 2015 #82
Reorganize with Capt. Ron Johnson of the Highway Patrol in charge TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #85
Excellent suggestion, TexasProgresive. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #93
The entire government needs to be scrapped and rebuilt TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #91
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #94
:D BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #95

blm

(113,065 posts)
1. FINALLY!!!
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:34 PM
Mar 2015

DOJ is doing what it was designed to do from its creation. How often can we even say that?

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
3. I was about to post this story, glad I checked first
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:35 PM
Mar 2015

Ferguson Police Chief to Resign, Fox Reports

Police sources have told Fox Jackson will resign and he is reportedly not being forced out.

Jackson has been rather silent about the DOJ’s report last week about the Ferguson police targeting black people for revenue-raising purposes. As recently as last Friday, he had told a reporter he hadn’t read the report just yet.

There was a report back in October that Jackson would step down, which he vociferously denied at the time. He said any resignation on his part would be his decision, and said just days later, “I’m going to stay and see this through. I report to the city manager, period. And as long as he and the council support me, then I intend to stay.”

Ferguson’s city manager, it should be noted, resigned yesterday.

[image via screengrab]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ferguson-police-chief-to-resign-fox-reports/

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
92. "Ferguson’s city manager, it should be noted, resigned yesterday." ...
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 08:25 AM
Mar 2015

after he was voted out by the BOA.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. Very good news. I hope the whole department is shut down. That would leave Wilson again
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:44 PM
Mar 2015

without a job. Last Dept he worked for, was shut down also.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
78. Yeah, he's going to work on taking down the Cincinnatti police dept.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 12:10 AM
Mar 2015

Or maybe Columbus... He's really an undercover hippy, dontcha know.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
27. I don't think so... He waited till the Grand Jury decided he didn't
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:23 PM
Mar 2015

need a trial... And then he resigned. I don't know the terms of his leaving. Perhaps, there was a monetary agreement? More than likely, the FPD did more than enough covering up investigative reports and releasing video from a store incident to muddle up the investigation and create the "blame the victim" narrative that works time and time again with about half of this country.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
32. From what I read a while back.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:36 PM
Mar 2015

He received donations like Zimmerman did...enough that he was set for life...and he probably gets a pension to boot.
There is money to be made in killing black kids.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
42. The fact that the Manager is gone and he is leaving today suggests that
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:55 PM
Mar 2015

the entire Ferguson goon squad is likely to be disbanded

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
49. I agree, when I was reading about how their City Council/PD etc works, the City Manager appears to
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:28 PM
Mar 2015

have the most power airc, wrt to the PD etc.

S/he eg, gets to appoint the Police Chief, airc. I wonder if the entire City Council will resign?

They were so arrogant until they were exposed for the world to see. With their nice little system in place.

There is nothing like sunlight to preserve Democracy and send the roaches scurrying.

Kudos to the PROTESTERS there and all the Activists and those who supported them.

It's a start, but Ferguson is only a symbol sparked by the murder of Michael Brown, the authoritarian reaction of all those in power there, from Gov on down.

Now hopefully it will spread across the country.

The militarization of the police was on full display in Ferguson and I think, for those who were unaware of it, scared many Americans.

CNN did some good coverage for a change, and it shows how effective a news media is when it actually works as a news media.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
16. I am hoping the next step is to disband the whole Ferguson Police Department...
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:09 PM
Mar 2015

Kudos to AG Holder and the DOJ for their work on exposing the rabid racism throughout their police force and municipal government and courts!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
34. Yep disband them.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:41 PM
Mar 2015

And if it were up to me I would hire from the community, trained or not...give them on the job training and supervised and trained by pros from elsewhere.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
40. If the current Police Department is disbanded, the question is will the city...
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:54 PM
Mar 2015

build a new force or contract out to a neighboring police force? Either option would need a complete re-writing of their hiring practices, imo, given what we now know.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
45. Why not hire new cops from the community.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:02 PM
Mar 2015

I am sure there people there who need a job...and who better to know the community than someone that lives there.
Even if they were not trained they could be trained by some cops from other places put there to train the new ones on the job.
The infrastructure is there already so that should be the cheapest way to go.

I don't know what hiring practices are but they are not chiseled in stone.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
47. If they make the decision to reconstruct a new police force from scratch...
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:15 PM
Mar 2015

they would need to hire a certain number of officers who are already trained, imo, and then work to recruit trainees from the community.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. And the Governor has a lot to answer for also. When is he up for reelection?
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:59 PM
Mar 2015

He sent the military in to suppress peaceful protests rather than admonish the real rioters.

He needs to go also.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
19. He can't run again due to term limits.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:11 PM
Mar 2015

He has less than 2 years left. He's a lame duck Democrat with both houses having veto override Republican majorities.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
22. Good, I hope he doesn't run for anything else. He was a disgrace, especially as a Democrat
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:14 PM
Mar 2015

during those protests.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
61. Oh sure...
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:03 PM
Mar 2015

Let's hope that a Democrat that can actually get elected in Missouri never runs again.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
21. He has served 2 terms...
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:13 PM
Mar 2015

He's not running again due to term limits. So you will get your wish.

He's a Democrat, BTW.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. No, because he put a lying witness on the stand, knowing she was lying.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:13 PM
Mar 2015

And when some of the jurors learned about that, they were furious. So the outcome of the GJ might have been different from that of the DOJ, IF that witness had not been called to testify to something she never saw.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
25. They put quite a few lying witnesses on the stand.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:21 PM
Mar 2015

They also included all the other evidence that showed which witnesses were lying and which weren't. A couple of the witnesses who talked to the FBI and corroborated Wilson's story refused to testify before the grand jury.

Have you read the DOJ report?

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
50. Comment
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:36 PM
Mar 2015

The report to which you link deals with why Wilson will not be prosecuted under federal civil rights statutes. While it gathers evidence from grand jury procedings, it says nothing about the nature of the grand jury proceedings as directed by Mr. McCulloch. What McCulloch's grand jury found is not relevant to whether McCulloch should be sanctioned for misconduct.

Of course the grand jury found that Wilson should not face charges. McCulloch took months to present the case to the GJ. He used that time to present any and all witnesses who came forward, even those McCulloch knew were lying. That is not something normally done in grand jury proceedings. McCulloch said mothing about who was lying and who wasn't. It was up to the grand jurors themselves to determine who was lying and who was telling the truth. McCulloch called Officer Wilson, the target of the investigation, to testify. Have you ever heard of a criminal investigation where the target of the investigation testifies before a grand jury? It doesn't happen. It isn't terribly useful to hear the target's side of the story in an investigation into whether or not he should face charges. FInally, McCulloch's assistants gave the grand jurors a handout purporting to state the relevant law under which Officer Wilson would be prosecuted. The handout consisted of law that had not been in effect for many years. That was just misleading and was not corrected until late in the proceeding.

Normally, it takes only a day to present a homicide case to a grand jury. McCulloch spent months overwhelming the grand jurors with too much information, much of it misleading and did little or nothing to clarify confusion. In the end, McCulloch instructed the grand jury that if the jurors concluded that any of Officer Wilson's possible defenses would be successful, they should not indict. Grand jurors usually aren't asked to decide such matters, and normally are not presented with the target's possible defenses. A GJ is normally tasked with simply deciding if there is sufficient evidence to charge the suspect with a crime. The suspect, now a defendant, gets to present his side of the story at trial.

Whether McCulloch can be charged with a crime is one question. If there are criminal statutes in Missouri concerning this kind of crap, he should be charged. If not, he should at least have his behavior in the Brown case examined by the state bar association.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
53. Have you read the report?
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:45 PM
Mar 2015

I would suggest you either read it, or read it again.

McCulloch was just re-elected last November. He will complete his term, and probably get re-elected again, if he decides to run again.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
60. Yes, I have. Have you?
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 05:49 PM
Mar 2015

I stand by my comment. The report concerns why federal investigators conclude that Wilson will not be charged with violating Mike Brown's civil rights under federal law and does not address possible prosecutorial misconduct by Robert McCulloch in front of the grand jury. McCulloch's name does not appear in the report. The only mention of personnel from McCulloch's office concerns interviews with witnesses.

I don't give a damn about McCulloch's electability. I live in California where the gross incompetent Ronald Reagan was elected to two terms as governor before going on to be elected president twice, and the divisive racist Pete Wilson was also elected governor twice and spent eight years distancing himself from Republicans like Pat Buchanan and Jesse Helms out of one side of his mouth and sounding just like them out of the other. Let's get the people McCulloch oppresses registered to vote and then to the polls and see if he still hangs on to his job.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
63. Yes. And that conclusion found that Wilson's
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:05 PM
Mar 2015

account was supported by the forensic evidence and all credible witnesses. That's what the grand jury concluded.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
66. Where does it say that the grand jury concluded any such thing?
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:27 PM
Mar 2015

You certainly didn't read that in the report. The report made no mention of the grand jury proceedings.

The grand jury did not return a bill of indictment. That's all. That's no surprise, since McCulloch effectively acted as Wilson's defense attorney before the grand jury. The victim was deprived of a voice.

Anything else you heard from McCulloch.


 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
67. I didn't say the DOJ report mentioned the gj
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:41 PM
Mar 2015

I said that the DOJ and the grand jury came to the same conclusions.

And, McCulloch didn't appear before the grand jury. The fact that you think he did says it all.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
71. How do you know the GJ came to that specific conclusion?
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:17 PM
Mar 2015

The GJ simply returned "no true bill." There's no place for the jurors to explain why they voted as they did.

McCuilloch supervised two assistant prosecutors, Kathi Alizadeh and Sheila Whirley. He still acted like it was his job to defend Wilson. The case was thrown. The effort was an avoidance of indictment. That had to be at McCulloch's direction. He is responsible for the prosecutorial misconduct that took place. It was McCulloch's decision to confuse the jurors with conflicting evidence and testimony. It was certainly McCulloch who decided to instruct the GJ that they could not return if they thought any one of the possible defenses Wilson could have presented would have gotten him off the hook.

Niether Robert McCulloch nor his underlings who assisted him in this case deserve to hold any position of public trust. The grand jury procededs, which McCulloch directed, were a miscarriage of justice, regardless of whether a petite jury would have acquitted Wilson or not.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
65. I need to put this in my sig line
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:23 PM
Mar 2015
Let's get the people McCulloch oppresses registered to vote and then to the polls and see if he still hangs on to his job.

Excellent as usual

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
24. Some half-wit said the protesters were wrong for disrupting traffic.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:17 PM
Mar 2015

Some half-wit said the protesters were wrong for disrupting traffic. Half-wits have a difficult time grasping the concept of the greater good.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
31. A lot of half-wits, actually.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:35 PM
Mar 2015

Some people are more supportive of civil rights than others.

Sad to see them here too.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
84. Disrupting traffic
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 04:38 AM
Mar 2015

did jack squat except piss people off. The corrupt cops are only resigning cause they're asses were under fire from the DOJ. Social media to keep this movement alive were more proactive than sitting on the highway.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
28. Like I wrote last night...Holder really fucked up their shit. They might be
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:24 PM
Mar 2015

so bankrupt they can't pay pensions.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
72. I'm also delighted that progressives are making the connections with
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:44 PM
Mar 2015

racist frat boys and institutional racism

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
81. they will just get honorary promotions at
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 02:20 AM
Mar 2015

the next kkk jamboree for taking one for the supreme race of patriots.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
39. Thank the power of protest and the
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:51 PM
Mar 2015

national attention the "hands up, don't shoot" meme for exerting influence on the DOJ pushing them to take action.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
51. Much of white america thinks Holder and Obama are the reason we have problems with
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:40 PM
Mar 2015

race in America

No, really, they do.

This will make that worse and I couldnt be happier.

BTW

No human being alive could have handled race relations better, as the first black us prez, than Obama...

Warpy

(111,275 posts)
55. The DOJ refusal to prosecute one rotten cop is coming into perspective
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:49 PM
Mar 2015

When the other shoe dropped and their report came out, it turned out to be a problem from the very top down, not from the bottom up. Michael Brown was executed on the street because the department said that was just fine because city management told the department it was open season on young black men.

It's an institutional problem (which people in Ferguson well knew) and now the institution is toppling.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
62. YES!!
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:04 PM
Mar 2015

I hope they do something about the slimeball DA as well! If he doesn't want to do his job, there are others that can take his place that actually care about the law.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
76. good!
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:28 PM
Mar 2015

perhaps we need to look at every city and town in America

I think we would find lots of Fergusons

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
77. If PD disbands, why can't the good citizens advertise a help wanted across the nation?
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:56 PM
Mar 2015

Help wanted, Policeman/woman to provide Law Enforcement for the City of Ferguson.
We are starting over from scratch and are advertising for good cops who are willing to relocate. Please provide a resume and a written reason for wishing to come here. Subject to community approval and if accepted we will provide a part of your moving expenses and assist in securing lodging/housing for you and your family.

It seems to me that any cop would be happiest when serving a community that wanted him/her to be there as much as I just suggested in that above ad. Furthermore it seems to me that the community would be equally happy to be so lucky as to have such happy cops serving them. Something like this might pay dividends across our nation.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
79. Or, they could try something altogether different.....
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 01:25 AM
Mar 2015


- With this opportunity, now is the time to try new things......

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
83. I've not heard of this. This short clip is interesting.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 03:48 AM
Mar 2015

I also agree that it is time to try new things. IMO the biggest challenge has to be a political one. Much of what we call crime stems from economics, the higher the poverty level the higher the crime level. Also, the more money that is removed from our Law Enforcement the more Law Enforcement will be stuck turning to replace revenue from the community. Both of these factors which affect crime and Law Enforcement today are partisan driven.

Sorry for the water is wet style analysis but we both know who is wrecking our economy while at the same time lowering the tax dollars City PDs and FDs get access to in order to operate yearly. I think Thom Hartmann has it right when he says that we need to raise our standards when it comes to exactly what kind of people/education/mindset we want for Law Enforcement and we need to significantly raise their pay. Neither of us need Thom's help to understand that more and better paying jobs will lead to a decrease in crime overall.

I think from the little I saw, Cop-Block sounds like it has some great tools and training that could serve Law-Enforcement across our nation and fits in with what Hartmann was talking about.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
80. The reason we are at this point
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 01:59 AM
Mar 2015

is because you cannot put a white police officer in jail for the murder of a black man in this country. How many in a row has it been? Every time the grand jury refuses to indict white officers for killing unarmed black men. Over and over and over...

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
82. I'm sure he has a bright future on Fox Noise as a pundint
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 03:25 AM
Mar 2015

Expect to see him on there regularly, spouting off about how "black-on-black crime" is the real issue.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
91. The entire government needs to be scrapped and rebuilt
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 08:22 AM
Mar 2015

The people who order the steps of the cops are even worse than the corrupt and racist department.

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