Bill Clinton Didn't E-Mail With Hillary, Ex-President's Spokesman Says

[Purveyor]

Hillary Clinton's reference to “personal communications from my husband and me” on Tuesday stirred confusion.

Mar 11, 2015 11:06 AM EDT

Bill Clinton is firmly in the luddite camp when it comes to e-mail. The former president has only sent two messages ever using the technology, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday, citing spokesman Matt McKenna.

So when Hillary Clinton described her husband's involvement in her private e-mail server setup at a press conference Tuesday, it left some confused.

“The server contains personal communications from my husband and me,” she said. “The system we used was set up for President Clinton's office,” she added. “So, I think that the use of that server, which started with my husband, certainly proved to be effective and secure.”

Hillary Clinton's reference to a system for her husband's office doesn't clearly conflict with the Journal's report that “after leaving office, Mr. Clinton established his own domain that staff use—@presidentclinton.com.”

But some took “from my husband and me” to mean messages between the former president and first lady. “It appears at least one Clinton is not telling the whole truth,” wrote the Washington Examiner. “She runs into the brick wall of her husband’s own denial,” wrote the National Review. “Does Bill Clinton email? It depends whom you ask,” read a headline at the Hill.

Asked whether Bill Clinton e-mailed with his wife at her e-mail address, McKenna told Bloomberg he did not.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-11/bill-clinton-didn-t-e-mail-with-hillary-ex-president-s-spokesman-says

[NYC_SKP]

1. Maybe she is a liar. Lying right to our faces.

Yay!

[geek tragedy]

2. Or maybe people who think "from" means "between" ought to enroll in remedial english classes nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. ...

[Skidmore]

3. Just because they used he same server doesn't mean they

e-mailed each other. I have yet to e-mail my husband and we have had account on the same server for quite some time. He has never e-mailed me. If we want to communicate, we phone each other or save conversation until we are in the same room as one another. I don't see a huge mystery here. They both have accounts on the same server.

[leveymg]

4. Piece by piece, Hillary's presser statement is simply falling apart.

She stated that the server was originally set up for her husband. But, the email account was actually created for her the day she went before the Senate confirmation committee.

Her explanation looks even more suspicious after the specifics are examined. At the same time, this issue snowballs and likely won't melt before Election Day. Thanks, Hill.

[geek tragedy]

5. her explanation is holding up. What is happening is that the rightwing press

is distorting what she said.

She did not at any point say she and Bill emailed each other. Not that it's anyone's business if she did, nor would the contents of any of those emails be of public interest.

This is just bullshit.

[leveymg]

6. She stated the server was originally her husband's. But, the email account is actually all hers.

Clintonemail.com was registered the day she went before the Senate confirmation committee.

[geek tragedy]

7. Your point being? nt

[leveymg]

10. The email on the server is a public record, regardless of who owned the Server. She seems to be

setting up a legal argument that will stall and delay turning over the server for forensic analysis. That may be what her lawyers advise, but I believe any delay in turning over the server is political poison. It makes it appear that she's covering something up, and that's what will cost her.

[geek tragedy]

11. The emails she sent to other governmental employees or to otherwise

carry out her duties as Secretary of State are public records. And she's turning them over.

She has no obligation to turn over her private email server. It's her private property, not the government's.

The government takes physical possession of servers in cases involving crime, not made up bullshit nontroversies.

[leveymg]

12. As we're learning, those records weren't preserved. HRC also

failed to timely turn the emails over as required by law. She's going to be found noncompliant at some stage, and that may be viewed as disqualifying for her Presidential candidacy.

Time to find another candidate.

[geek tragedy]

13. then what pray tell is she turning over? nt

[leveymg]

14. The servers to the State Dept. as they should have in '09.

[geek tragedy]

15. sorry? nt

[leveymg]

16. Clintonemail.com should have been backed up on .gov servers

from the very beginning in '09. She should simply turn over her servers to the State Dept and let the agency deal with separating the wheat from thr chaff, and fending off the partisan subpoenas. That would be what I would advise she does if I were working her campaign. If I were her lawyer, that option would appal me. We'll see who's really running things.

[geek tragedy]

17. How would a private email be backed up on government servers?

The state department doesn't even have the technical chops to preserve its own emails.

[leveymg]

18. Just turn over the servers and all records to DoS, now rather than fighting that.

If she did that, Hillary can still save herself from the Nixon paradox: it's the appearance of a coverup that gets you in the end, even if all evidence of the crime has been erased by Rosemary.

[geek tragedy]

19. turn over all of her private emails to the government? nt

[leveymg]

20. Yes. Let State fight the subpoenas.

Protection of purely private communications is a valid ground for an agency to withhold records from a committee. But, if there are unrecoverable erased emails, she may have truly screwed herself.

[geek tragedy]

21. she has zero obligation to turn over private correspondence to the government.

This is so idiotic.

Even people with state.gov addresses can use private email to conduct government business, and we have to take their word for it that they don't or that if they do, they've turned them all over.

[leveymg]

22. You're thinking like the lawyers who are going to scuttle her

chances of being elected President. If she continues to resist full disclosure, she's going to go down.

[geek tragedy]

23. if she turns them over to the state department, they get turned over to the House of Representatives

which can subpoena them.

So, no, she'd be an idiot to turn them over to the US government.

[leveymg]

24. No. Rule 45(e) allows the Dept to withhold from subpoena any privileged or protected materials

We know that the Dept's own obligations under the Federal Records Act does not extend to collecting and maintaining purely private communications. If the State Dept. were to take custody over the servers and all existing materials, it need not turn over any data or communications that it finds to be privileged or protected as private under Fed. Rule of Civil Procedure 45(e): https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_45

(2) Claiming Privilege or Protection.

(A) Information Withheld. A person withholding subpoenaed information under a claim that it is privileged or subject to protection as trial-preparation material must:

(i) expressly make the claim; and

(ii) describe the nature of the withheld documents, communications, or tangible things in a manner that, without revealing information itself privileged or protected, will enable the parties to assess the claim.

[geek tragedy]

25. And then the story would be what is the state department hiding

blah blah blah cover up blah blah blah vote to hold Kerry in contempt blah blah blah

[leveymg]

28. The Commitee can "blah, blah" all it wants, but let's get this over with now, rather than closer to

the General. Politically, it will be a lot better if HRC gives up the servers voluntarily to the agency, and lets the Department fight the legal battles. I hope you see the logic in that.

[leveymg]

26. In addition, there is the "pertinency rule" that limits the scope of Congressional subpoenas

See, p.11, .pdf
[PDF]When Congress Comes Calling - The Constitution Project
www.constitutionproject.org/.../when-congress-come...
Constitution Project
B. The Power of Congress Over Executive Branch Agencies . ... The Permissible Scope of a Subpoena . ... The Pertinency of the Subpoena to the Investigation .

The subject matter of an investigation may be shown through a variety of sources: (1)
the declaration of the question under inquiry found in the authorizing rule or resolution of the committee or
subcommittees, (2) the introductory remarks of the committee chair or other members, (3) the response of the
chair to the witness’ pertinency objection, (4) the question itself, or (5) the “nature of the proceedings.”47

[AngryAmish]

29. Say she emailed the Prime Minister of Ireland about the Clinton Global initiative

Would that be private or public?

[leveymg]

30. When DOS calls me to serve on the panel reviewing these things, I'll tell you. ;-)

The important thing is that all communications are independently reviewed and reported on. If that's a higher standard, than so be it. After all, she's the one who wants to be trusted enough to be the party's candidate for President, we presume.

[geek tragedy]

31. Private.

Just as it would be private had she sent it from her personal account while using only an official email account for official business.

[AngryAmish]

33. And if ahe emailed the Foreign Minister of Syria on the same subject?

[geek tragedy]

34. Private. Probably improper and a conflict of

interest but private.

If you want Clinton Global Initiative emails (if they exist) you'd need a contemporaneous subpoena. Otherwise they are private records that she has no obligation to preserve, let alone turn over.

[JaneyVee]

9. I don't get your point. Servers serve more than one email.

[JaneyVee]

8. Pretty sure he has her phone number.

[Jamastiene]

32. Don't married couples, just sort of, I don't know,

mumble at each other over breakfast or right before dropping off to sleep? Why would married couples need to email each other when they can just tell the other one when they see them or call each other?