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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat's important to you? Water, maybe?
I was preparing dinner tonight. Midway through filling up a pot, the water stopped. Just stopped...one last dribble, then nothing.
No water.
We live in the boonies and use well water. The pump failed. No pump, no water. The irony is, we live on a lake. At least I could go down to the lake and scoop up a five gallon bucket and boiled it on the stove. But the lake is frozen. No big deal, if I really needed the water, I'd surely drill a hole in the ice and get me some. But what about the people out west who are really, seriously, about to be without water? I ran to the grocery store and bought several of those 2 1/2 gallon dispenser bottles. I can brush my teeth and rinse off a dish or two. But what happens to these places like Las Vegas or Pheonix when they've drained Lake Mead and the Colorado River?
I'm inconvienced because I can't draw water from my well. Imagine how inconvenient it will be when entire cities can't draw any more water.
Buy stock in Nestle. They'll sell you bottled water from the Yangtze River.
FargoGuy
(24 posts)because it's killing the rest of us on the planet?
Boston, New York and the rest of New England will become unsustainable for human life and you can't build windmills and magic mirrors fast enough to replace it.
Back to cutting down trees and hunting whales I suppose.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Ten posts. Do the Koch Brothers offer you direct deposit, or do you have to wait for your .29¢ check by mail?
FargoGuy
(24 posts)I've gone back and read some of your posts.
Atman
(31,464 posts)But I give you extra credit for a witty response.
dolphinsandtuna
(231 posts)for the north east.
aikoaiko
(34,171 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The Great Lakes incredibly valuable water resources are governed by a joint commission of state, provincial and national governments. The members of the governing body have long understood how very precious these bodies of water are to human survival and economics.
Extraction of water out of the watershed is prohibited without consent of the international commission. And the philosophy on extraction has been that water removed must be replaced with equal amounts of water of suitable quality. At minimum, the expensive project to move water to the west would require equally expensive projects to replace that water.
A map of the watershed is provided below. You'll notice that in SE WI and NE IL the watershed doesn't go very far inland in places it's less than 5 miles from the lake...
...this has already caused water utilities difficulties in cities and suburbs that span the divide of the watershed. Much of the ground water sufficient for municipal supply in SE Wisconsin contains radioactive contaminants above safe levels for drinking. Radioactive contamination above safe levels is not a problem with the water in Lake Michigan. There have been decades long struggles to get approval for diluting ground water with lake water to achieve safe standards for drinking for communities just 5-10 miles from the watershed.
The domestic and international legal difficulties in getting approval to move water a thousand or more miles to the west would be more than substantial. It's hard to see how it could be done short of international conflict.
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jwirr
(39,215 posts)Canada.
hunter
(38,317 posts)... to the deserts of Washington, Oregon, and California.
And then there was the North American Water and Power Alliance proposal of the 1950's to completely destroy the natural watersheds and deserts of the entire North American continent.
Unlike the U.S.A., which backed away from such environmentally destructive mega-engineering projects, the Soviet Union did not, and China is still at it, full speed ahead.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I do remember a proposal...would have probably been prior to 1978... that move water from Great Slave Lake and Great Bear Lake to California.
If we've got to grow the population, moving people to water rather than water to people is probably the cheapest solution...
But I don't doubt that in California and a limited number of xeric cities, desalinization could supplement evaporation and unpreventable losses in systems of advanced reclamation on sewage water.
It's not such an impossible idea...municipalities in Iowa and Wisconsin routinely use surface water in rivers many times before it moves downstream and out of these states.
pansypoo53219
(20,978 posts)the well had.
Atman
(31,464 posts)When we summered at Lake Winnepesaukee, all the water at the house came directly out of the lake. Just a big long hose running fifty feet out into the lake. They were very strict back then about the water quality. Marine police would pull over boats for excessive discharges, etc. Our lake is crystal clear, but no where close to the size of Winnepesaukee.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)a hard time in our lake let alone people. We are working on a rural sewer system to end that but even with that it will take years for the lake to heal itself.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Hmm...well water. Lake. Septic tank. Something tells me the water coming out of the tap is not exactly "pure."
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)from listeria that had infected it's brain... people thought it was from a milk product
During a telephone interview the husband admitted the family had mixed formula with lake water and fed it to a 6 week old.
PLEASE consider surface water dangerous until treated
jwirr
(39,215 posts)pay 11,000 dollars per household over a period of 30 years to get the sewer put in. When you cannot eat the fish and can't even swim in the water some times during the year then drinking it is the last thing they want to do.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Dairy breeds of cattle, sheep and goats are all associated with Listeria and it's very common in soils where these animals pasture and where runoff carries their wastes...
There are obviously many reasons to not dump human waste into lakes, but even without sewage inputs, listeria (and other pathogenic organisms) can be found in untreated surface waters.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)share will not be cut by the congress.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)about how we were using spring water at my house for a few years before installing a well.
Best tasting water ever. Even with parts and pieces of dead frog Mr Pipi found caught in the outflow pipe in the springhouse. Now that water flows into two ponds on the property, and we use a well, and like yours, it's iron infused.
If the water sits too long in one place, it stains everything brown.
The inside of my dishwasher (white plastic) gets horrible looking after about two or three months, and I don't even use it but maybe once a week. Various things remove the rust, like white vinegar spray, commercial rust stain remover, dishwasher cleaner, etc.
I can't even imagine what our innards must look like
jwirr
(39,215 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)do out there. I love the climate and the scenery in much of the western U.S., but they are going to have major problems acquiring water. L.A. and Las Vegas are in serious trouble. We need to start making contingency plans in case those cities and others become unsustainable. Sustainability is my most important concern when I think about how we live, and I think it should be the paramount issue when we discuss environmental issues.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Like you, I have a well, and it's a real shocker when the pump craps out and suddenly you have no water. That's scheduled to happen to millions of people out west very soon and there will be no replacement pumps to fix it. If I owned property out there I'd put it on the market and get the hell out before the rest of the population realizes how worthless it's going to be.
It boggles the mind. They're in a dessert, draining the only lake they have for water, and they just keep building, pretending it's not an issue. The smart people will leave. The dumbasses will hold out.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Move, adapt, or die.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Talk about Randian dystopia!
Atman
(31,464 posts)We went to tiny islands off the coast of Thailand...everything had a Nestle brand. Mango juice, water, anything, you name it. Even on tiny little islands. Plastic bottles of Nestle water and juice everywhere. It was horrible.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)In California's Central Valley, the future is last summer.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10407435