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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:00 PM Mar 2015

What's important to you? Water, maybe?

I was preparing dinner tonight. Midway through filling up a pot, the water stopped. Just stopped...one last dribble, then nothing.

No water.

We live in the boonies and use well water. The pump failed. No pump, no water. The irony is, we live on a lake. At least I could go down to the lake and scoop up a five gallon bucket and boiled it on the stove. But the lake is frozen. No big deal, if I really needed the water, I'd surely drill a hole in the ice and get me some. But what about the people out west who are really, seriously, about to be without water? I ran to the grocery store and bought several of those 2 1/2 gallon dispenser bottles. I can brush my teeth and rinse off a dish or two. But what happens to these places like Las Vegas or Pheonix when they've drained Lake Mead and the Colorado River?

I'm inconvienced because I can't draw water from my well. Imagine how inconvenient it will be when entire cities can't draw any more water.

Buy stock in Nestle. They'll sell you bottled water from the Yangtze River.

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What's important to you? Water, maybe? (Original Post) Atman Mar 2015 OP
What happens to the North East when carbon burning for power ceases to be a viable option shortly FargoGuy Mar 2015 #1
Probably the dumbest response I've ever seen on DU. Atman Mar 2015 #3
Don't sell yourself short FargoGuy Mar 2015 #17
I'll see your 11 and raise you 28,490. Atman Mar 2015 #19
nuclear power is fine dolphinsandtuna Mar 2015 #21
drain the great lakes aikoaiko Mar 2015 #2
That may only be available after a military action with Canada... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #6
And that international conflict would include all the states around the area being on the side of jwirr Mar 2015 #12
The same conflict occurs in proposals to import water from British Columbia... hunter Mar 2015 #13
I think I saw those in my father's old 1950's Popular Science mags... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #24
NO jwirr Mar 2015 #10
we used lake water at the cottage for years. was actually better than the iron infused water pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #4
We used lake water in NH. Atman Mar 2015 #8
Most lakes that are surrounded by houses have sewage running into the lake. The fish are having jwirr Mar 2015 #11
That's why we filter all of our water. Atman Mar 2015 #15
When I worked in public health, I got assigned tracking down an infant death HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #25
I think most of the people out here are afraid of what is happening to our lake. Afraid enough to jwirr Mar 2015 #26
Listeria is known to occur in ~40 species of mammals and ~20 species of birds HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #28
Okay. I am glad that we are doing something about this lake (watershed) area. Hopefully the feds jwirr Mar 2015 #29
I'm sure I've mentioned plenty of times pipi_k Mar 2015 #14
Out here we all have water softeners to keep the rust out. How do you use the white vinegar spray? jwirr Mar 2015 #27
I don't know what they're going to LuvNewcastle Mar 2015 #5
It's puzzling to me the situation out west is getting zero coverage on the "news" channels. Vinca Mar 2015 #7
+1000 Atman Mar 2015 #20
Not really high-speed trains. That's the ticket. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #9
The answer is the same as it always has been. bluedigger Mar 2015 #16
I'm so disgusted with that company I can't see straight ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #18
We traveled to the other side of the planet...Nestle owned everything. Atman Mar 2015 #22
About to be? KamaAina Mar 2015 #23
 

FargoGuy

(24 posts)
1. What happens to the North East when carbon burning for power ceases to be a viable option shortly
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:15 PM
Mar 2015

because it's killing the rest of us on the planet?

Boston, New York and the rest of New England will become unsustainable for human life and you can't build windmills and magic mirrors fast enough to replace it.

Back to cutting down trees and hunting whales I suppose.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
3. Probably the dumbest response I've ever seen on DU.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:27 PM
Mar 2015

Ten posts. Do the Koch Brothers offer you direct deposit, or do you have to wait for your .29¢ check by mail?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. That may only be available after a military action with Canada...
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:33 AM
Mar 2015

The Great Lakes incredibly valuable water resources are governed by a joint commission of state, provincial and national governments. The members of the governing body have long understood how very precious these bodies of water are to human survival and economics.

Extraction of water out of the watershed is prohibited without consent of the international commission. And the philosophy on extraction has been that water removed must be replaced with equal amounts of water of suitable quality. At minimum, the expensive project to move water to the west would require equally expensive projects to replace that water.

A map of the watershed is provided below. You'll notice that in SE WI and NE IL the watershed doesn't go very far inland in places it's less than 5 miles from the lake...

...this has already caused water utilities difficulties in cities and suburbs that span the divide of the watershed. Much of the ground water sufficient for municipal supply in SE Wisconsin contains radioactive contaminants above safe levels for drinking. Radioactive contamination above safe levels is not a problem with the water in Lake Michigan. There have been decades long struggles to get approval for diluting ground water with lake water to achieve safe standards for drinking for communities just 5-10 miles from the watershed.

The domestic and international legal difficulties in getting approval to move water a thousand or more miles to the west would be more than substantial. It's hard to see how it could be done short of international conflict.

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jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. And that international conflict would include all the states around the area being on the side of
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:34 AM
Mar 2015

Canada.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
13. The same conflict occurs in proposals to import water from British Columbia...
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:52 AM
Mar 2015

... to the deserts of Washington, Oregon, and California.

And then there was the North American Water and Power Alliance proposal of the 1950's to completely destroy the natural watersheds and deserts of the entire North American continent.



Unlike the U.S.A., which backed away from such environmentally destructive mega-engineering projects, the Soviet Union did not, and China is still at it, full speed ahead.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
24. I think I saw those in my father's old 1950's Popular Science mags...
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 06:32 PM
Mar 2015

I do remember a proposal...would have probably been prior to 1978... that move water from Great Slave Lake and Great Bear Lake to California.

If we've got to grow the population, moving people to water rather than water to people is probably the cheapest solution...

But I don't doubt that in California and a limited number of xeric cities, desalinization could supplement evaporation and unpreventable losses in systems of advanced reclamation on sewage water.

It's not such an impossible idea...municipalities in Iowa and Wisconsin routinely use surface water in rivers many times before it moves downstream and out of these states.

pansypoo53219

(20,978 posts)
4. we used lake water at the cottage for years. was actually better than the iron infused water
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:15 AM
Mar 2015

the well had.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
8. We used lake water in NH.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:10 AM
Mar 2015

When we summered at Lake Winnepesaukee, all the water at the house came directly out of the lake. Just a big long hose running fifty feet out into the lake. They were very strict back then about the water quality. Marine police would pull over boats for excessive discharges, etc. Our lake is crystal clear, but no where close to the size of Winnepesaukee.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. Most lakes that are surrounded by houses have sewage running into the lake. The fish are having
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:29 AM
Mar 2015

a hard time in our lake let alone people. We are working on a rural sewer system to end that but even with that it will take years for the lake to heal itself.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
15. That's why we filter all of our water.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:45 PM
Mar 2015

Hmm...well water. Lake. Septic tank. Something tells me the water coming out of the tap is not exactly "pure."

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
25. When I worked in public health, I got assigned tracking down an infant death
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:13 PM
Mar 2015

from listeria that had infected it's brain... people thought it was from a milk product

During a telephone interview the husband admitted the family had mixed formula with lake water and fed it to a 6 week old.

PLEASE consider surface water dangerous until treated

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
26. I think most of the people out here are afraid of what is happening to our lake. Afraid enough to
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:12 AM
Mar 2015

pay 11,000 dollars per household over a period of 30 years to get the sewer put in. When you cannot eat the fish and can't even swim in the water some times during the year then drinking it is the last thing they want to do.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
28. Listeria is known to occur in ~40 species of mammals and ~20 species of birds
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:24 AM
Mar 2015

Dairy breeds of cattle, sheep and goats are all associated with Listeria and it's very common in soils where these animals pasture and where runoff carries their wastes...

There are obviously many reasons to not dump human waste into lakes, but even without sewage inputs, listeria (and other pathogenic organisms) can be found in untreated surface waters.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
29. Okay. I am glad that we are doing something about this lake (watershed) area. Hopefully the feds
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:30 AM
Mar 2015

share will not be cut by the congress.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
14. I'm sure I've mentioned plenty of times
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 11:05 AM
Mar 2015

about how we were using spring water at my house for a few years before installing a well.

Best tasting water ever. Even with parts and pieces of dead frog Mr Pipi found caught in the outflow pipe in the springhouse. Now that water flows into two ponds on the property, and we use a well, and like yours, it's iron infused.

If the water sits too long in one place, it stains everything brown.

The inside of my dishwasher (white plastic) gets horrible looking after about two or three months, and I don't even use it but maybe once a week. Various things remove the rust, like white vinegar spray, commercial rust stain remover, dishwasher cleaner, etc.

I can't even imagine what our innards must look like

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
27. Out here we all have water softeners to keep the rust out. How do you use the white vinegar spray?
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:14 AM
Mar 2015

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
5. I don't know what they're going to
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:40 AM
Mar 2015

do out there. I love the climate and the scenery in much of the western U.S., but they are going to have major problems acquiring water. L.A. and Las Vegas are in serious trouble. We need to start making contingency plans in case those cities and others become unsustainable. Sustainability is my most important concern when I think about how we live, and I think it should be the paramount issue when we discuss environmental issues.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
7. It's puzzling to me the situation out west is getting zero coverage on the "news" channels.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:38 AM
Mar 2015

Like you, I have a well, and it's a real shocker when the pump craps out and suddenly you have no water. That's scheduled to happen to millions of people out west very soon and there will be no replacement pumps to fix it. If I owned property out there I'd put it on the market and get the hell out before the rest of the population realizes how worthless it's going to be.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
20. +1000
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:54 PM
Mar 2015

It boggles the mind. They're in a dessert, draining the only lake they have for water, and they just keep building, pretending it's not an issue. The smart people will leave. The dumbasses will hold out.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
22. We traveled to the other side of the planet...Nestle owned everything.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:09 PM
Mar 2015

We went to tiny islands off the coast of Thailand...everything had a Nestle brand. Mango juice, water, anything, you name it. Even on tiny little islands. Plastic bottles of Nestle water and juice everywhere. It was horrible.

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