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President Obama has not called to congratulate Netanyahu, who is now attempting to build a coalition between rightwing parties and his own Likud, which won decisively in parliamentary elections on Tuesday.
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Obamas press secretary Josh Earnest re-affirmed the presidents belief in the two-state solution, and strongly condemned Netanyahus decision to rally support with incendiary remarks about a high turnout among Israeli Arab voters. Netanyahu used a 28-second video on election day to warn that Israeli Arabs were being bussed to the polls in droves.
The United States and this administration is deeply concerned about rhetoric that seeks to marginalise Arab Israeli citizens, Earnest said. It undermines the values and democratic ideals that have been important to our democracy and an important part of what binds the United States and Israel together.
He added: Rhetoric that seeks to marginalise one segment of their population is deeply concerning, it is divisive, and I can tell you that these are views the administration intends to communicate directly to the Israelis.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/18/obama-netanyahu-israel-election-white-house
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)maybe Netanyahu can invite Obama to address the Knesset. Obama could congratulate him then.
Sarcastica
(95 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I'm ready to say:
'Really? Get on with it already.'
It never ends.
Sarcastica
(95 posts)If he is, I can get my yard signs laminated!!!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:19 PM - Edit history (1)
The guy in charge of the movie guide needs Obamacare for ODS!freshwest
(53,661 posts)Just kidding, I'm sure you are speaking of votes in days gone by. Obama addressed Israelis, but not the Knesset and was fussed at for it:
But Harper, Brown and Bush did. It's been seen as a snub to Netanyahu. Obama did not cheer him then, but youth who wanted a road to peace:
As President, Obama in 2013 was gracious to the leader of Israel in a press conference, and even Netanyahu at that time appreciated Obama's negotiating with Iran. It was clear they did not agree on all points.
But Netanyahu was close to losing an election as other voices gained the attention of Israeli voters. So he made a partisan spectacle in Congress to make use of American support for Israel to keep himself in power.
Do you think it wrong if Obama congratulates him other than what protocol demands he do? Wouldn't his shunning him be immature and a slap in the face of the voters of Israel?
We must get along with friends and foes, those who agree and disagree. It's part of respecting the freedom of thought and opinion of others. And Democrats do that as a result of our values, but the Koch Tea Party GOP doesn't respect anyone who doesn't follow their party line.
All that being said, the fascination of people with Netanyahu and Israel who paint them as the ultimate evil is not a position that Obama or Democrats need to take. We do not own an inch of that land, claimed by Israelis and Palestinians. In the end, they will decide what to do and don't need or want our input, but we want the situation resolved as it inspires extremism around the world.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)and I agree with you response, except for the sentence.
When you wrote: " In the end, they will decide what to do and don't need or want our input, but we want the situation resolved as it inspires extremism around the world."
I would substitute:
The only input that some Israelis want is US money to subsidize their unsustainable military spending and US backing at the UN in the form of a veto to prevent Israel from being held accountable at the UN for war crimes.
Perhaps a withdrawal of military aid and a withdrawal of the veto shield would be the only way to convince hard-liners like Netanyahu that he must respect International Law.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I'm thinking Israelis want the borders proposed in the closing days of the Ottoman empire, 25 years before the modern state was recognized:
British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument) : League of Nations - Mandate for Palestine and Transjordan Memorandum
The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros. The draft of the Mandate was formally confirmed by the Council of the League of Nations on 24 July 1922, supplemented via the 16 September 1922 Transjordan memorandum[1][2] and then came into effect on 29 September 1923[1] following the ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne.[3][4] The mandate ended at midnight on 14 May 1948.
The document was based on the principles contained in Article 22 of the draft Covenant of the League of Nations and the San Remo Resolution of 25 April 1920, by the principal Allied and associated powers after the First World War.[1] The mandate formalised British rule in the southern part of Ottoman Syria from 19231948.
The formal objective of the League of Nations Mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, "until such time as they are able to stand alone."[5] The mandate document formalised the creation of two British protectorates: Palestine, to include a national home for the Jewish people, under direct British rule, and Transjordan, an Emirate governed semi-autonomously from Britain, under the rule of the Hashemite family.[1]
The entire piece is worth the read to an open mind. That way of thinking is from empire, and Europe had fought for centuries against the Middle Eastern empires who expanded into Europe. The waxing and waning of these empires had profound effects. Now we see that other empires are seeking to follow the past in both the Islamic world view and Russian world view.
Americans can scarcely imagine what millenia of wars created in those regions. The founders wanted us to escape repeating that history, but it's proven impossible to ignore it, unfortunately.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_%28legal_instrument%29
That was post WW1. The supporters of Palestinians in some corners have a larger agenda, the return of the Caliphate. ISIS is following that model, in fact they want more than what any of the previous caliphates did.
A generation after WW1, Europe literally tore itself to pieces between the 1930s and the end of WW2 prior to 1947-48.
But this plan was in effect for 25 years before and AFAIK, the areas in the mandate weren't actually involved, even if some of citizens were supporters of either side in WW2. I've read some reports of the Third Reich being supported by some of the Middle East, which also accounts for Israeli animus, not to mention ancient enemies they have not forgotten, either.
Israel's 1947 founding and the 1948 Israeli-Arab War
Left map: Passia; center and right maps: Philippe Rekacewicz / Le Monde Diplomatique
These three maps show how Israel went from not existing to, in 1947 and 1948, establishing its national borders. It's hard to identify a single clearest start point to the Israel-Palestine conflict, but the map on the left might be it: these are the borders that the United Nations demarcated in 1947 for a Jewish state and an Arab state, in what had been British-controlled territory. The Palestinians fought the deal, and in 1948 the Arab states of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria invaded. The middle map shows, in green, how far they pushed back the Jewish armies. The right-hand map shows how the war ended: with an Israeli counterattack that pushed into the orange territory, and with Israel claiming that as its new national borders. The green is what was left for Palestinians.
Another map:
And perhaps it's past time for Israel's leaders to remember what the man who considered himself to be the father of the modern state of Israel, Abba Eban, once said: Israels birth is intrinsically and intimately linked with the idea of sharing territory and sovereignty.
A very long read with links showing how we got from then to now:
http://www.thehypertexts.com/Israel%20Indefensible%201967%20Borders%20Nakba.htm
Israel has surrendered a lot of territory in their minds to meet the UN standards and have become belligerent:
What the UN envisioned:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/19/israel-map-the-palestinia_n_864379.html
We're about as likely to get them to agree with the UN position as Putin is likely to give back Crimea, or we are going to give back the land we now hold to either the native americans or the Confederacy. They are a sovereign nation and every attack on a Jewish person anywhere in the world only heightens their sense of isolation and hard-headedness. The main victims in this, the former subjects of the Caliphate, are unlikely to change their belief system. They want a return to those conditions that favored their system.
That's all I have time for now. I was searching for an even larger map of what Israel was, but have to do some things offline.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Maybe snub the rest of America who doesn't like him but are still citizens and voters and pretend they don't exist and aren't good to talk to?
It's not practicable, nor is it going to be productive. Did you read my post watch the videos I posted?
TIA.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)He has his reasons if he isn't ready or willing to talk
to Netanyahoo -- and faking it for the sake of protocol
is bullshit. That Obama is not condemning him outright,
publicly, for being a warmonger and deceiver, as well
as seeking to take control of US foreign policy, is most
gracious of the president, in my opinion.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Netanyahu wants to get in on that action!
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)REPUBLICANS! Cuz MUZLIMS and stuff...
alfredo
(60,074 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)not being an Israel ass kisser would put him at the top of my favorites list.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I'm excited to see what he does when he is out of office.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Bibi wants to start war, against IRAN, the war is bad enough!!!
Breaking up 70 million people, would create so many new terror
groups,it would put America and Americans at risk.
namastea42
(96 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Bravo.
Time for some counter-snubbing and equal respect.
The United States and this administration is deeply concerned about rhetoric that seeks to marginalise Arab Israeli citizens, Earnest said. It undermines the values and democratic ideals that have been important to our democracy and an important part of what binds the United States and Israel together.
He added: Rhetoric that seeks to marginalise one segment of their population is deeply concerning, it is divisive, and I can tell you that these are views the administration intends to communicate directly to the Israelis.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)"In two previous Israeli elections, Earnest said, Obama did not telephone Netanyahu until the PM was directed by the Israeli president to form a government."
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Or at least, there's no suggestion that they won't.
Turbineguy
(37,343 posts)Even Hamas went to the trouble of not helping him by staging an attack.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I hope he sticks to his principles. Netanyahu is a threat to peace.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)nt
Cha
(297,307 posts)domestic. And, this is why..
The United States and this administration is deeply concerned about rhetoric that seeks to marginalise Arab Israeli citizens, Earnest said. It undermines the values and democratic ideals that have been important to our democracy and an important part of what binds the United States and Israel together.
He added: Rhetoric that seeks to marginalise one segment of their population is deeply concerning, it is divisive, and I can tell you that these are views the administration intends to communicate directly to the Israelis.
mahalo Cali
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Obama is going after the wrong ideas and not the personality of others. This is what we get for a generation of rightwing media dominance, people behave like them and want a tantrum to show how tough we are.
Obama HAS SNUBBED THE IDEA OF INEQUALITY that Bibi is for, along with the GOP. He can't brush anyone off for one thing, no matter how hateful, because a lot of people and leaders are really hateful. The Israeli government is still supplying the USA government with hard information. Obnoxious and odious in some respects, but useful.
He can't even brush off Putin, who has been working with China, France, Germany, Iran and us to prevent Iran getting nukes. Stopping that is the long game Obama plays, not the media zinger everyone craves. It's sad to see people who think the President should behave like Bush.
I will spare you my traditional pic of the beloved pair. On some level, it's clear some want Obama to do that.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)The Palestinians' situation, which is already horrible, will get far worse.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Let the fascist make it on his own.