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The number of American troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq between 2001 and 2012 was 6,488. The number of American women who were murdered by current or ex male partners during that time was 11,766. That's nearly double the amount of casualties lost during war.
Women are much more likely to be victims of intimate partner violence with 85 percent of domestic abuse victims being women and 15 percent men. Too many women have been held captive by domestic violence -- whether through physical abuse, financial abuse, emotional abuse or a combination of all three.
their lifetimes.We are inundated with news stories about domestic violence , from athletes beating their significant others in public elevators or in their own homes to celebrities publicly abusing their girlfriends. This problem is not one that will go away quickly or quietly.
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Domestic violence is not a singular incident, it's an insidious problem deeply rooted in our culture -- and these numbers prove that.
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The number of women murdered every day by a current or former male partner in the U.S.
38,028,000
The number of women who have experienced physical intimate partner violence in their lifetimes.
Read More http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23/domestic-violence-statistics_n_5959776.html
My husband had a gun. I found it under the mattress one day when I made the bed. He had a vicious temper as well. I left, didn't take me long. I left.
They"ll be along shortly.
sheshe2
(83,879 posts)Clockwork.
Tick Tock.
Perhaps they are tired tonight, Also TBH, some are not here tonight.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)nt
sheshe2
(83,879 posts)napkinz?! Thanks.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)your posts are always informative and moving!
sheshe2
(83,879 posts)you as well. no stopping, not ever.
Lyric
(12,675 posts)K&R
Tricky little F'ers. ...they may see the 1st couple of posts and go into hiding.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)What, we're so indoctrinated into passivity that we shouldn't scream?
Why the fuck is this so much less of an issue than hate crimes against ANY other group?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)sheshe2
(83,879 posts)Well said.
Archae
(46,344 posts)But men can be also.
I used to know a woman who had a quick, violent temper.
I have no idea where she is now.
But she put 2 boyfriends in the hospital, and went to jail both times.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Archae
(46,344 posts)Is those who make excuses for guys beating up women.
But is it all right for a woman to beat the crap out of a guy?
Obviously, no.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)men's rights guy comes in and tries to derail the subject by making it about how men are victims of women.
Every fucking time. Just can't stand to have a discussion about violence against women. Always has to be about men.
Archae
(46,344 posts)It's simply stating that it's not always women who are the victims.
The numbers of men to women being victims is no doubt very lopsided, with far more men being the victimizers.
But violent women *DO* exist.
Or are you saying the woman I knew doesn't exist?
That her two boyfriends went into the hospital with self-inflicted injuries?
Response to Archae (Reply #13)
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The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Even some of the numbers in the body of the article include men. Up to and including gay men. Not even just a straight thing.
If it's just about domestic violence against women, it's a poorly worded title.
Oklahoma_Liberal
(69 posts)This is a public forum. The thread is about domestic violence. The folks who try to censor which posts are allowed in which threads remind me of the little children who build a clubhouse but refuse entry to other children for arbitrary reasons.
If you dislike her point about men also being victims, then dispute it with facts. Don't cry and whine about the existence of the post in the first place.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Oklahoma_Liberal
(69 posts)Lancero
(3,011 posts)(Jumping it off of your post to (try and) keep it closer to the hidden post)
On Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:34 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Start your own fucking thread then.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6394243
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This post is the definition of over the top. This poster constantly bullies anyone who posts anything he disagrees with.
JURY RESULTS
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:49 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post doesn't rise to the level of a "hide". So I vote to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's a discussion board. Not a "my opinion only" board.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Unecessary use of ott language.
The topic title, nor linked article, mention women specifically so this topic by merit cannot be labeled a 'thread about domestic violence against women'. Archae's comments about male victims are well within the topics purpose of being about domestic violence.
If Geek Tragedy wants a specific topic about domestic violence against women, then they should consider starting a thread specifically on that subject.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hijacking a thread about violence against women to talk about violence against men is trollish. Expect to be shouted down. I agree with geek_tragedy here: start your own fucking thread! -Dr.H
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Geek Tragedy accusing someone of trying to change the topic? ..... That's rich.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What a bunch of whiners!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Just stop it.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)their friend who died in a tragic unicycle accident.
If you tell them they're bullshitting you're an asshole, if you tell them they're threadjacking you're an asshole and if you tell them to stick to the topic at hand sure, car accidents are a bigger problem, but nobody even keeps unicycle death statistics and why don't you care about unicycle safety?
In other words it's cynical threadjacking by people who want to distract from the serious issue at hand.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as if that means guns aren't inherently dangerous.
Or any object used to kill someone. If it's a candlestick, the inevitable "well, I guess we gotta ban candlesticks now. Nyuk nyuk nyuk."
Cha
(297,588 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I'm so sick of this shit. The MRAs always threadjack these topics and no real discussion can ever begin
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Yep, always. Never fails.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Domestic violence is bad... for everyone involved.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of the harm is at the hands of men.
enough of the false equivalence. while on an individual basis certainly for those men who are battered there is an equivalence, society-wide it's not even close as to which gender bears the brunt and which gender deals out the suffering
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... reciprocal domestic violence is the type most likely to result in injury to women. So even if your interest in the subject is limited to women only, IPV directed at men is still an important topic.
We can't reduce IPV toward one sex only. It is a cycle of violence and must be treated as such.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)WHAT? ? Where did you read that? ? Or did you just make it up on the fly?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Here's just one.
Or this.
In this climate, there were always a very few who did not view DV as gender specific at all, but rather, as part of the difficulties in relationships that develop in life, especially when we are most vulnerable.1-3 But their voices were muted and unheard, and their influence small. And then, with one monumental and very well conceived study, everything changed. For in May 2007, in the American Journal of Public Health, a well respected and peer reviewed journal, a study appeared by Daniel Whitaker and his colleagues Tadesse Haileyesus, Monice Swahn, and Linda Saltzman.4 In this beautifully executed study, the authors sought to examine the prevalence of reciprocal (ie, perpetrated by both partners) and nonreciprocal intimate partner violence (IPV), and to determine whether reciprocity is related to violence frequency and injury. All in all 18,761 respondents were studied.
The results showed that almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half were reciprocally violent. In non-reciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of cases. Reciprocity was associated with much more frequent violence among women, but not men (adjusted odds ratio 2.3 for women and 1.26 for men). Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury (adjusted odds ratio 1.5 and 1.1), and reciprocal intimate partner violence was associated with greater injury than was nonreciprocal IPV, regardless of the gender of the perpetrator. The authors discuss a recent meta-analysis with the finding that a womans perpetration of violence was the strongest predictor of her being a victim of partner violence. And included in the conclusions of the study was the very important finding that the context of the violence (reciprocal vs nonreciprocal) is a strong predictor of reported injury. As one of its conclusions the authors state that prevention approaches that address the escalation of partner violence may be needed to address the reciprocal violence (Italics mine). The authors further state they were surprised to learn that with violence that was not reciprocal, women were the perpetrators in a majority of cases.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)equal between partners.
This is why the other posters said that if you want to talk about male domestic violence, then start a thread. This thread is about the fact that over a thousand women each year are killed by it.
The fact that hundreds of thousands couples engage in what could be considered domestic violence is barely relevant.
There's certainly a difference between a woman getting beaten to a pulp daily, and a man getting slapped every few years.
I'm not condoning any violence to either party, but a slap and murder are different things. Apparently, lots of couples push and slap eachother. ...which, i must admit i did not realize. But talking about that type of general domestic violence in a thread talking about the number of women murdered by domestic violence is ridiculous to me.
Also, that google thing you did was cool. ..how did you do that?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Slap and murder are different things. I may be alone in this, but I think the point at which to intervene should be closer to "slap" rather than "murder".
And if you read the studies I linked, "a woman getting beaten to a pulp daily, and a man getting slapped every few years" is very much not the typical IPV relationship. Among unilaterally violent relationships, 70% of the time the female is the perpetrator... but it's "just an occasional slap"
...until it isnt, at which point he goes to jail and she goes to the ER.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)with this one, there's no point. He believes that child support is "male enslavement", among other misogynistic gems.And he always pops into these threads whining that no one ever talks about male victims of violence. Somehow I doubt that nearly twelve thousand men were murdered by their partners or ex-partners just during the past thirteen years. And the beat goes on. Sigh.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)However, this thread is about violence against women. Please do try to keep up.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine in conversations regarding cancer, there's often going to be the petulant whine of the dullard asking if "so it's all right to suffer from a stoke?"
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Men against women. (Obviously, the most prevalent as death statistics prove.)
Women against men.
Men against men.
Women against women.
Gays and lesbians don't like to talk about partner violence in the general public because they already have to put up with so much crap from homophobes, but - make no mistake - partner violence is a serious issue for everyone, and in years to come when the LGBT community has gain more acceptance, you will hear about quite a few violent women. Maybe, then, female against male violence won't be so ignored.
My mother sent my father to the hospital. Cracked his skull because he was sitting quietly in his chair and ignoring her as he usually did when he drank too much. Gentle drunk. Violent wife. It certainly wasn't the first time she became violent. Certainly no charges were ever brought, because that just didn't happen in the sixties.
Yeah, I had a gentle, quiet, alcoholic father who drank at home in front of the tv and then fell asleep in his chair, and an unhappy, sometimes angry mother. Loved them both because they both did their best as parents (and actually were awesome parents in many ways), but there is no doubt who was the violent parent. After the stress of raising kids was behind them, I think things improved quiet a bit, but I will never know for sure.
brer cat
(24,598 posts)"A woman is beaten every nine seconds in US." Mercy!
I am glad that you were able to leave, sheshe. So many (too many) women are trapped by fear they will be killed if they leave, or lose custody of their children, or become homeless.
K&R
sheshe2
(83,879 posts)We were only married a few years, thank goodness. I was lucky on that one, I know far to many that stayed together for the reasons you stated. I have also stated this before, it is a silent crime for many, sssssh don't tell. That is sad, brer cat.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... as compared to whatever pet cause folks may have.
10s and 100s of millions of people are not comparable on a per capita basis to the 100s of thousands that served...
Car wrecks, gun deaths, murder, left handed ginger beatings... Whatever it is... They just aren't equally representative and it's intentionally emotionally manipulative to try...
Same gripe applies for comparisons against the number of people killed on 9/11...
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Women, don't get to discuss issues that affect them, because of war, car deaths, gun death and "left handed ginger beatings"???????
You should be ashamed for typing that out... Maybe we shouldn't discuss war, car death, guns etc because women are dying... Your logic is a complete fail and you ought to be embarrassed... Never mind your casual/allegedly humorous throw away of "left handed ginger beatings???? What is that all about...
Here is a suggestion, try to recognize that there are many issues out there that need discussion and understanding. Speaking of one does not negate the absolute imperative of discussing others.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)sheshe2
(83,879 posts)Glad your post was hidden. Violence against woman is a pet cause to you, we are beneath your respect....got it!
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 21, 2015, 03:39 PM - Edit history (1)
by domestic violence and then complain about how the message was delivered or the much less severe cases of slap and push. The women haters on this board really make me wonder what their personal lives are like and shudder.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I get first hand accounts of certain things from my SIL who is a cop (with a psych degree) that deals now almost exclusively with DV cases. She's one of the most fair minded people I know, and in addition to that, my brother's friend was the victim of DV himself (a case my SIL actually was called to several times) so my SIL takes all cases seriously, not matter what sex is involved. But when I asked her about the statistics, she said probably 5% of her calls are for women abusing men and in the vast majority of those cases, there is very little physical injury as compared with calls that are men abusing women (Which often needs a trip to the hospital). In addition to that, she works with social workers and trying to get women out of the situation is usually far more difficult, as they are usually dependent on the man for finances, or they are scared to leave because there are kids involved and they can't afford lawyers for a custody battle...etc. She said men have a much easier time leaving a DV situation. Women DV victims GENERALLY suffer so much more in these cases.
So, the "Yeah, but..." crowd is being extremely disingenuous. We should be able to talk about violence against women without having to qualify every single post on every thread. It's really ridiculous. And it makes me wonder, too.
niyad
(113,546 posts)raccoon
(31,119 posts)it been talked about.
And of course, some people out there still don't want to talk about it.
sheshe2
(83,879 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)sheshe2
(83,879 posts)Woosh~ I forgot about that one, or not. Always an excuse for the bruise, always an excuse and seldom the truth. The silent crime. Thank you for reposting that, we can never forget....however much we want to.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025618824#top
Tears napkinz~
treestar
(82,383 posts)And to you. Glad you left that husband!
sheshe2
(83,879 posts)I have been better for it.
You~
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)We own our houses, we do not own our mates.
Cha
(297,588 posts)about Domestic Violence.. and many others including you! Mahalo
For the second time in a week, a live primetime event showcased a message against domestic violence. On February 1, it was the NFLs PSA during the Super Bowl on NBC, and tonight it was President Barack Obama during the Grammys on CBS. In April last year, Obama joined Vice President Joe Biden and Hollywood folks including Daniel Craig, Steve Carell, Benicio del Toro, Seth Meyers and Dule Hill for a PSA aimed at protecting people from sexual assault.
http://deadline.com/2015/02/grammys-obama-anti-domestic-violence-ad-1201369253/
So grateful you got away before it was too late, she