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JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 06:45 AM Mar 2015

We’re treating soil like dirt. It’s a fatal mistake, as our lives depend on it

We’re treating soil like dirt. It’s a fatal mistake, as our lives depend on it
By George Monbiot

It’s literally and – it seems – metaphorically, beneath us. To judge by its absence from the media, most journalists consider it unworthy of consideration. But all human life depends on it. We knew this long ago, but somehow it has been forgotten. As a Sanskrit text written in about 1500BC noted: “Upon this handful of soil our survival depends. Husband it and it will grow our food, our fuel and our shelter and surround us with beauty. Abuse it and the soil will collapse and die, taking humanity with it.”

The issue hasn’t changed, but we have. Landowners around the world are now engaged in an orgy of soil destruction so intense that, according to the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organisation, the world on average has just 60 more years of growing crops. Even in Britain, which is spared the tropical downpours that so quickly strip exposed soil from the land, Farmers Weekly reports, we have “only 100 harvests left”.

To keep up with global food demand, the UN estimates, 6m hectares (14.8m acres) of new farmland will be needed every year. Instead, 12m hectares a year are lost through soil degradation. We wreck it, then move on, trashing rainforests and other precious habitats as we go. Soil is an almost magical substance, a living system that transforms the materials it encounters, making them available to plants. That handful the Vedic master showed his disciples contains more micro-organisms than all the people who have ever lived on Earth. Yet we treat it like, well, dirt.

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Another paper, by researchers in the UK, shows that soil in allotments – the small patches in towns and cities that people cultivate by hand – contains a third more organic carbon than agricultural soil and 25% more nitrogen. This is one of the reasons why allotment holders produce between four and 11 times more food per hectare than do farmers.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/25/treating-soil-like-dirt-fatal-mistake-human-life
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We’re treating soil like dirt. It’s a fatal mistake, as our lives depend on it (Original Post) JohnyCanuck Mar 2015 OP
Another reason it bothers me that we spend so much time dumping salts Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #1
It also effects water sources as well. When small glowing Mar 2015 #2
+1 Enthusiast Mar 2015 #10
and it all washes into the marshes and causes algae blooms that kill off marine ecosystems. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #37
"Our existence depends on six inches of topsoil and the fact that it rains." bananas Mar 2015 #3
Topsoil with the nutrients left intact. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2015 #17
R & K! RiverLover Mar 2015 #4
A return to organic farming is necessary. Compost, worms, fungus, no till, all of it. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #5
Then you better be prepared to kill 3 billion people. Indydem Mar 2015 #6
The present system is not sustainable. roody Mar 2015 #7
That's false. cheapdate Mar 2015 #12
I live in a big city. The Twin Cities of Minnestota MineralMan Mar 2015 #21
Theoretically yes, if we cut global meat consumption by 90% NickB79 Mar 2015 #28
Begin teaching people that minimizing meat consumption is healthiest way. People will follow. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #35
Well, those of us who sounded the alarm back in the 70's just happened to Nay Mar 2015 #16
+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2015 #19
Organic farming is the only sustainable agriculture for 7 billion people and the planet. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #27
I agree but with Monsanto, etc Big Ag.. I fear for the worst. And, I'm a very positive person most Cha Mar 2015 #32
I wonder if they are descendants of the Machiavelli family. I swear, that bad, Cha. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #34
One of our Planet's worst nightmares and we are living it. thank goodness there are people standing Cha Mar 2015 #36
They reign like a domineering kingdom. A nightmare they are, indeed. We really must save our Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #39
This is incorrect. It is wrong. It is a lie. Sorry, you are not right. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #38
excellent article G_j Mar 2015 #8
The NY Times published my letter on this years ago NJCher Mar 2015 #9
Some communities have communal composting facilities. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #14
If you do vegetable gardening MissB Mar 2015 #22
Wow! The hugelkultur is a fascinating concept. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #24
we have that NJCher Mar 2015 #40
Geez! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #41
actually NJCher Mar 2015 #42
Well, we treat the rest of the planet like a toilet joined to a landfill... Moostache Mar 2015 #11
Yes. Many of these most devout religious people subscribe to the James Watt theory of stewardship. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #15
Visit George Monbiot's website for more excellent articles. slumcamper Mar 2015 #13
K&R! marym625 Mar 2015 #18
Don't worry! Monsanto will make new Roundup infused GMO bacterialized soil for us! Zorra Mar 2015 #20
That almost isn't funny. They might have a similar system in the planning. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #25
the whole system of food production must change or... SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #23
THIS is why I buy organic whenever possible Dems to Win Mar 2015 #26
Agriculture beyond the Green Revolution: Shaping the Future We Want JohnyCanuck Mar 2015 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author JohnyCanuck Mar 2015 #30
The soil is a living thing that we have killed with ignorance and greed. Studying the freshwest Mar 2015 #31
Mahalo Johny! Cha Mar 2015 #33

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Another reason it bothers me that we spend so much time dumping salts
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 06:56 AM
Mar 2015

all over the road each winter, some of which invariably ends up in the soils near the roads directly, and in the water table that supplies the soils further away. Not even to get started on all of the people paying 'lawn services' to spray chemicals all over the place, or farmers spraying all sorts of pesticides and herbicides all over to contaminate the soils and break the natural ecosystem down for monoculture crops.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
2. It also effects water sources as well. When small
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:03 AM
Mar 2015

Rivers or streams beside a road can become saline, it's not so good for the freshwater inhabitants or anything else around it. I did a project back 20 yrs ago in high school studying this and taking samples for testing. It was insane.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
37. and it all washes into the marshes and causes algae blooms that kill off marine ecosystems.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:58 AM
Mar 2015

Lawns are generally toxic.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
17. Topsoil with the nutrients left intact.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:42 AM
Mar 2015

Commercial farming has chemicalized the soil so much that there are few nutrients left. We are eating "empty" food.
Hardly anyone talks about that, either.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
6. Then you better be prepared to kill 3 billion people.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:53 AM
Mar 2015

If it isn't starvation it will be wars over food.

Organic farming is not sustainable for 7 billion people.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
12. That's false.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:24 AM
Mar 2015

The so-called "green revolution" in chemical and fossil fuel dependent extensive farming took place in the 20th century. It was a choice, not a necessity. It's not a necessity now.

100 years ago, if you went to Paris, Tokyo, Atlanta, or any big city, you would've found the same thing. A big city ringed by traditional mixed farms. The abandonment of mixed farms brought on by cheap oil and chemical fertilizers happened for a lot of reasons, but necessity wasn't one of them.

Modern, industrial, extensive farming is economically efficient, in narrow, short-sighted terms. It turns living soil into lifeless dirt, just as the OP states.

Where populations have been separated from the land base and left without any means to feed themselves, the causes are political.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
21. I live in a big city. The Twin Cities of Minnestota
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 10:41 AM
Mar 2015

are still surrounded by mixed farming. I can drive less than two miles from my house to find operating farms, and I live in the City of St. Paul. Hmong immigrants are engaged in small-scale truck farming to an extraordinary degree, selling their crops in over a dozen farmer's markets in the city. St. Paul offers free composting of green waste. There's a composting yard just half a mile from my house. This spring, I'll haul my brush and trimmings there.

Similar efforts are ongoing around many cities, and even within cities. St. Paul allows backyard chickens and rabbits, and many people have them. Our short growing season here is used by many homeowners to grow a wide range of vegetables. Most yards in my neighborhood sport fruit trees, berry vines and other perennial food plants.

Further out of the cities, of course, typical midwestern agriculture is a major industry here in Minnesota, but sprinkled among those farms are also organic farms in increasing numbers, along with organic hydroponic growing of other crops, from salad greens to tomatoes.

It's a mistake to say that there is no movement in those directions near our major cities. It's just not true.

NickB79

(19,258 posts)
28. Theoretically yes, if we cut global meat consumption by 90%
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 03:48 PM
Mar 2015

It's ridiculous that we feed so much perfectly good grain to livestock for meat, when the grain could be fed directly to humans instead and feed 10X as many people. And at the same time, we've strip-mined the oceans so effectively that we should realistically be cutting our consumption of seafood as well to allow the remaining populations to rebuild for the next few decades.

However, try telling the average American, European, or newly middle-class Chinese person they can no longer eat meat with every meal, and see how far your argument gets.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
35. Begin teaching people that minimizing meat consumption is healthiest way. People will follow.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:45 AM
Mar 2015

You'll have the few stragglers who refuse to cut down but that will lessen by generation.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
16. Well, those of us who sounded the alarm back in the 70's just happened to
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:41 AM
Mar 2015

mention that the earth was going to have trouble supporting 7 billion people, that we needed to guard the natural world, etc., but nobody gave a damn; it was more fun to do hippie punching. Now the chickens will be coming home to roost. I'm sorry several billion will starve, but if ANY of us are to survive to continue the human race, we have to get our numbers back in line with what's sustainable AND we have to realize that we depend on the earth, it does not depend on us.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
27. Organic farming is the only sustainable agriculture for 7 billion people and the planet.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 02:16 PM
Mar 2015

GMO + chemical herbicides pesticides fungicides = poison = death! slow torturous death

Cha

(297,652 posts)
32. I agree but with Monsanto, etc Big Ag.. I fear for the worst. And, I'm a very positive person most
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:44 AM
Mar 2015

of the time.

Cha

(297,652 posts)
36. One of our Planet's worst nightmares and we are living it. thank goodness there are people standing
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:55 AM
Mar 2015

in solidarity against it.. but unfortunately not enough.

I hope it's not a case of an epidemic of mass sickness from their poisons for monsanto to be held accountable and kicked off our Islands and the Mainland USA, DCMS



https://www.facebook.com/Save.Hawai.from.Monsanto

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
39. They reign like a domineering kingdom. A nightmare they are, indeed. We really must save our
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:05 AM
Mar 2015

planet from these genocidal monsters.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
38. This is incorrect. It is wrong. It is a lie. Sorry, you are not right.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:00 AM
Mar 2015

Organic farming will sustain that many people.

The problem isn't organic farming. The problems are:

Centralization of industrial farming
Food/Crop Choice
Over-reliance On Meat
Food Distribution

NJCher

(35,729 posts)
9. The NY Times published my letter on this years ago
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:18 AM
Mar 2015

I pointed out that the way suburban land is treated (Lawn Doctor, leaf blowers), leads to erosion of the topsoil. Once that's removed (that's what leaf blowers do, after all), the plants and trees have nothing to feed them.

Sometimes the homeowner goes to Home Depot and buys compost and fertilizer. Well, how smart AND fuel-inefficient is that? Not to mention the fact that it's a cost incurred that is totally unnecessary.

Why not just keep the leaves on the property, chop them if you want, and feed the trees and plants that way?



Cher

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
14. Some communities have communal composting facilities.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:37 AM
Mar 2015

I have bush trimmings piled up. I'll have to hire someone to haul them away because I no longer have a truck. I have no idea what the guy will do with it. I couldn't compost this stuff in any case as it would take years to break down.

I checked out a large city composting operation. They turned everything, including whole Christmas, trees into wonderful soil. I wish every community had a similar operation.

MissB

(15,812 posts)
22. If you do vegetable gardening
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 10:51 AM
Mar 2015

you could consider hugelkultur. Then you'd be keeping the material onsite. You don't have to build to a traditonal height to benefit from using a hugel mound. I'm even converting my raised beds to smaller hugels.

The larger ones I've built have been amazing so far (and they are quite new). The asparagus plants sure love them.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
24. Wow! The hugelkultur is a fascinating concept.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:21 AM
Mar 2015

I'm too crippled up to do much gardening. I'm dealing with the effects of too many old injuries. But I still help with hanging baskets. Maybe we could do tomato plants from a basket. I believe this is pretty common.

My dearly departed mother always kept asparagus plants. I love that stuff. Now I get gout so I can't have asparagus. Asparagus is about as bad as eating beef liver for triggering a gout attack. Wish I could have some.

Thank you, MissB.

NJCher

(35,729 posts)
40. we have that
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:51 PM
Mar 2015

However, it's not the great solution one might assume.

It would be for branches, because heavy-duty equipment is needed to break them down into small pieces.

But what happens in reality is that leaves are picked up by the town, the town subcontracts to some company to compost all this, and then they turn around and sell it to Home Depot as compost.

So why go through all that? Just cut out the middle man and compost the leaves without driving them all over the place.

I did a study about 5 years ago and found the cost of this to be over a million per town in my county.

Stupid way to spend money.

Oh, and did I mention my property taxes are $16,500 a year on an ordinary middle-income house?



Cher

NJCher

(35,729 posts)
42. actually
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:37 AM
Mar 2015

I made a mistake. I was looking at my tax return last night and found out they are only $14,500. They will go up to $16,500 this year, though, because every year since Christie has been governor, they've gone up $2000 a year.



Cher

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
11. Well, we treat the rest of the planet like a toilet joined to a landfill...
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:22 AM
Mar 2015

There is no hope for present day humanity.

This entire population explosion and boom towards 10 billion humans is going to hit critical mass about the same time the resources start running out and the damaged climate tips into utter chaos.

The deniers will steadfastly toe the line of their masters to the bitter end, but that end is inevitable. It's highly ironic that some of the most devout religious people take stewardship of the Earth the least seriously of anyone. I thought they would at least be able to tie conservationism and ecologically sound policies to their Genesis fable telling man he was to be a steward of the Earth...then I realized that part is not supporting their narrative so its not really what was meant...

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
13. Visit George Monbiot's website for more excellent articles.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:36 AM
Mar 2015

I've been reading Monbiot for a few years. His personal story is fascinating and wide-ranging articles always engaging. The richness of varied experience and an exploratory spirit have imbued within him a perspective that will enlighten all. That he is willing to share it with us is a priceless gift.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
20. Don't worry! Monsanto will make new Roundup infused GMO bacterialized soil for us!
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 10:23 AM
Mar 2015

The only seeds that can grow in this soil are Genetically Modified seeds patented by Monsanto, and the only water that can be used to sprout these seeds is Sports Drink Super Pseudo H20, patented by Nestle.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
25. That almost isn't funny. They might have a similar system in the planning.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:29 AM
Mar 2015

Nestle is about as bad a corporate citizen as Monsanto. Apparently greed has no limits.

Dang. Between Monsanto, Nestles, the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the oil industry, Wall Street and the banks we don't stand a chance.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
26. THIS is why I buy organic whenever possible
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:30 PM
Mar 2015

No, I don't think organic is more nutritious. I'm old, so I don't worry too much about pesticide residue causing me to get cancer in 25 years.

But, when I buy organic, it means that somewhere there is an acre of soil being taken care of and not allowed to run off into the Mississippi River or have all its microbes killed off by poisons.

By buying organic today, I hope that I'm helping to preserve the soil so that future generations might live.

JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
29. Agriculture beyond the Green Revolution: Shaping the Future We Want
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 05:06 PM
Mar 2015
Agriculture beyond the Green Revolution: Shaping the Future We Want

Hans Herren, President of Millennium Institute, takes on the challenges in shifting from brown to green agriculture Dr Eva Sirinathsinghji

Paradigm shift to agroecological farming by small holders and family farmers

We need a paradigm shift from industrial to agro-ecological farming that is centred on small holder and family farms employing a systems approach to problem analysis and solving, and a holistic understanding of agriculture and society. A resilient system that works with and not against nature is needed, based on healthy soils, local crop varieties and local systems of pest management deriving from local, natural bio-control methods that are free. By substituting external inputs with biological processes not only are the costs of farming reduced, but biodiversity is increased, essential local knowledge and traditional systems and wisdom are taken advantage of. Of all these issues, improving soil health is one of the most important solutions. Agro-ecological methods result in better infiltration, retention and delivery of water, so drought and flooding damage is more easily avoided. This is exemplified by the superiority of organic farm yields over conventional farming systems following climate extremes.

The Wisconsin Integrated Cropping Systems Trial found that organic yields were higher in drought years and the same as conventional farms in normal weather years [5]. Up to 3o % increases in yields have been found for corn between organic and conventional systems. Some of the contributing factors include higher organic matter in organic soil, the presence of beneficial soil microorganisms such as nitrogen-fixing bacteria that increase soil fertility. In contrast, synthetic nitrogen fertilisers stop the natural nitrogen-fixing processes. Bacterial nitrogen fixation also increases with increasing soil carbon levels while synthetic nitrogen stimulates certain types of microbes to consume organic matter resulting in carbon dioxide production. With 1 % organic content only 2 400 kg of organic nitrogen is produced per hectare compared to 12 000 kg when organic content is increased to 5 % [6].

Other examples of successful ecological agronomical practices include the System of Rice Intensificatio0n; the push-pull methods for dealing with biotic stresses; natural pest control such as ladybirds to combat aphids, increasing natural insect pollinators to increase productivity and quality of orchard fruit; horticultural and forage production as well as the production of seed for many root and fibre crops. Pollination not only increases yield, but quality of foods. Coffee yields increase by 20 % under the presence of wild pollinators in Costa Rica [7], while Brazil has seen increments in production from 38.8 to 168.4 % after the introduction of bees [8]. When bee attractants are applied to coffee branches this figure may reach up to a 372 % increase in yield [9]. Another example is watermelons, which are lighter in colour and less tasty when not pollinated and have few seeds.

In contrast to sustainable low-input methods of farming, there are some who still promote genetically modified crops as the solution for world hunger and health. But to date GM crop cultivation has resulted in severe reductions in genetic diversity and farmer choice for non-transgenic seed, as highlighted by figure 3 for soybean seeds in the US (Figure 3). They are pushed as a solution for malnutrition, with crops such as golden rice for vitamin A deficiency despite it not addressing the real cause of the malnutrition which is inequity, not bad crops. Vitamin A deficiency directly correlates with general malnutrition, something that cannot be solved by just eating rice.

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Agriculture_beyond_the_Green_Revolution.php

Response to JohnyCanuck (Original post)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. The soil is a living thing that we have killed with ignorance and greed. Studying the
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:02 AM
Mar 2015

powers of those microscopic engines that keep the ecosystem viable have been forgotten.

It's well known that healthy soil produces healthy food, and the mechanicistic thinking that leads to treating it as nothing more than a car engine to add short term profit making produce is hort sighted.

Frankly, I find it stupid and despite the 'science' of the sellers of killing chemistry, not really scientific. It ignores the bigger picture and the longer term planning needed.

My knowledge, not faith in a deity at work in the soil, but the actual living things, is why I never used chemical fertilizers, pesticides or weed killers in my garden or pasture or fields.

It's not that hard to learn this, even though I learned most of it at college and the rest on my own, but industries sell such are killing topsoil as if there was no tomorrow.

The sellers will get rich on it, but we are all poorer. It's like MIC propaganda that seeks to crush opposing voices.

And they have done that which is leading to stunted, unhealthy tomorrows. Sorry, but there it is.

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