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nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 06:17 PM Mar 2015

White people need to stop saying or thinking they have experienced racism

I say this as a woman of Scandinavian/Mexican descent - I am very light skinned so I have benefited greatly from white privilege. I am not proud of it, but I cannot deny it. I hadn't realized just how much until probably the last 20 years or so and I am still embarrassed by it.


We will never, ever understand or experience racism the way black people have in this country. Even if we did one of those undercover things where we are black for a day with a hidden camera - you still have the knowledge at the end of the day you can be white again.

Because it isn't how people treat you for that one day that makes you go "oooh so this is racism" - it is a whole lifetime of little and huge experiences that influence your thought process every waking moment. It is the result of being bombarded by negative depictions in the media, micro-aggressions and blatant hostility.

I have one small example - I was out shopping at a small clothing store. When I walked in (I was the only one there at the time) I was greeted warmly by the sales staff and asked if I needed help. A few moments later two black women walked in (making it a total of 3 people in this small store - so not like it was super busy), I turned to look - because the little bell over the door went off and it is just a reaction for me to look - so I got to witness how they were greeted. They weren't. I did see some eye rolls from the (white) sales staff and some hushed whispering and pointing. And then watched as they were followed through the store (under the guise of arranging clothing that always happened to be right next to where the women were) - it was so obvious but I was still shocked. The staff never talked or greeted the two women - just glared at them.

These women were better dressed and way better made up (nice make-up, great hair) than me - I looked like a schlub in old jeans and frizzy hair, but they were treated like they were a gang of thieves.

I didn't know what to do - I am ashamed to admit. I left the store and called the corporate office and made a complaint when I got home. I wish I had said something to the saleswomen, but I was just shaking with anger. And I realized - this must happen to these women every fricking day. Because the first time it registered to me I was pissed as hell. I mean I have seen flat out racism when I lived in Louisiana (briefly, I was just a kid so I don't remember much) and being from Northern Minnesota you don't have much opportunity to see anyone who isn't white, much less see interactions. But now I was in the big city (Minneapolis/St Paul) and this just opened my eyes.

I realized that everyday these women had to pick their battles and some ignorant salsewomen weren't worth their time. And I cannot imagine experiencing that subtle racism (ok the staff weren't that subtle) every fricking day. Just watching it once made me ready to smack them - how can anyone face the day knowing that they are going to be treated differently for no other reason but the color of their skin and not be pissed constantly?

Those two years I was in Louisiana as a kid, I was one of 5 white kids in my class. Trust me, there was no "reverse" racism - not by my fellow black students or by my black teachers. My mom was told that there were ways to get around me going to my neighborhood school for nice (ie white) people like us - she said no my kid would go to the school in her neighborhood. My mom (a young woman from small town Minnesota) had no concept of the racial tension in the south. She just didn't want me to have special treatment and wasn't really understanding why she should bus me an hour away - well not until she was called a n* lover.

I had no fear of going into a class where I was the minority because I was never taught fear because of my skin color. But if it had been reversed - if I was one of 5 black kids in my class, I am pretty sure I would be scared on some level every day. That shapes who you are as a person - that constant being on guard has to become an automatic defense mechanism so you can just get through each day.


So yes, sometimes white people have had some negative experiences - what they refer to as "reverse" racism, but it isn't the same. Because for you it is an experience not a lifelong reality. To deny that white privilege exists is not just ignoring reality but insulting to every person of color.

Sorry for the long meandering rant

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White people need to stop saying or thinking they have experienced racism (Original Post) nadine_mn Mar 2015 OP
I guess this would be called economic-ism - a black supervisor changed the rules on a daily basis to Hestia Mar 2015 #1
LOL. Telling white people what or what not to say or think... SMC22307 Mar 2015 #2
You are correct - that was a mistake on my part nadine_mn Mar 2015 #7
But I have experienced racism! Flying Squirrel Mar 2015 #3
Thanks for your thought-provoking post. cyberswede Mar 2015 #4
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say nadine_mn Mar 2015 #6
Experienced? No. Seen? Yes. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #5
 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
1. I guess this would be called economic-ism - a black supervisor changed the rules on a daily basis to
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:22 PM
Mar 2015

take hundreds of dollars in commissions from the white employees and giving the funds to her church members who worked in the same place.

First, she would say the rules were applied thus. I lost out on $300 on just once instance; so, the next couple of weeks, the rules changed again for her church members. I had all the documentation until I moved a year or so ago and threw it all out. I was holding on it all hoping that people would put their money where their mouths are and go to the top with all the documentation.

She stated the only reason I didn't get fired is because I never technically yelled at her but after losing out again on $250 commission, I told her I was tired of her stealing my money and giving the funds to 3 people/church members. She was pissed that that she had to hold a meeting swearing up and down that she wasn't arbitrarily changes the rules, but also refused to put it all in black and white.

A bunch of us left because of the nonsense. It would have been a good paycheck but when those times only come when her buds were on vacation, it got to where it was few and far between.

And yes it was racist because you ought to heard the stuff coming out of her mouth about white people. Her supervisor, a mensch, refused to look into any of the allegations that we brought against her.

No, it is isn't institutional, but the door does swing both ways. Plus being robbed at gun point for 3 cents in my purse by a young male.

I love my fellow man but I do not like quite a few of them personally.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
2. LOL. Telling white people what or what not to say or think...
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:45 PM
Mar 2015

is not a winning strategy. Trust me on that one.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
7. You are correct - that was a mistake on my part
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:35 PM
Mar 2015

But when in rant mode - rational thought is out the door

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
3. But I have experienced racism!
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:17 PM
Mar 2015

Sort of... While kissing my African-American girlfriend in the park. At first I wasn't sure, but I was kind of wondering why someone on the other side of the park, over a hundred feet away, would be harassing us. I thought, really? Racism, in this time, in this liberal part of the country? Can't be! Then my girlfriend said "Don't worry, we won't get that very often."

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
4. Thanks for your thought-provoking post.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:30 PM
Mar 2015

Too bad some may misinterpret your thread title as "telling people what they can say/think" - I understand the spirit in which you intended your title.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
6. Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:34 PM
Mar 2015

Sometimes I get a little hot under the collar about something else I have read and start ranting.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
5. Experienced? No. Seen? Yes.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:00 AM
Mar 2015

Working as an election judge last fall, I saw an elderly woman, in line to get her ballot receipt, turn and snap at the younger man in line behind her. "Don't stand so close to me!!!" I was to the side of them working new registrations and my head snapped up as I heard her vile, angry tone, and I assume my jaw dropped. I happened to catch the eye of the guy and we shared an eye roll. He was the same distance from her as everyone else in line, but apparently "that man" was too close for her bigoted little feelings.

Unfortunately, I wasn't in a position to do anything other than glare at her back, which she was getting plenty of.

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