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Everyone from Tim Cook, to Ashton Kutcher, Miley Cyrus, Dustin Lance Black, and even Hillary Clinton, had something to say about Indiana's new 'license to discriminate' law.From the moment after Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed Senate Bill 101 the so-called Religious Freedom Restoration Act during a private ceremony Thursday morning, LGBT people and our allies began blasting the new law, which allows businesses or individuals to deny service to anyone who allegedly offends their religious beliefs.
Out actor George Takei who had condemned the bill before the governor signed it into law was one of the first, calling for a boycott of Indiana with the hashtag #BoycottIndiana:
http://www.advocate.com/politics/2015/03/27/time-boycottindiana-celebs-blow-social-media
greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)either heading East or to Michigan.
William769
(55,147 posts)Unfortunately, it seems other States are vying for the top sport on who can shit on the LGBT Community more.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)I know many of them are gone, but I always associate the place with stinky refineries and steel mills.
William769
(55,147 posts)Hopefully it won't wonder in to your area.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)Had to go to Fort Wayne once.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)It was dry!
William769
(55,147 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)Thank the lucky stars the County wasn't dry then!
greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)The bride's sister and I ended up in the bar of the hotel where I was staying.
William769
(55,147 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)Love those religionistas and other "Christianists." If they can't persecute, they feel persecuted!
Warpy
(111,339 posts)and I lived there briefly when I was a kid. My grandparents had a cross burned on the front lawn, mustn't have been much of a cross because it wasn't much of a lawn. Even when I was little, it all seemed to be closed in on itself. When I got older and lived elsewhere, I thought it was about 30 years behind the rest of the country.
When I was leaving Boston, living in Indiana again never crossed my mind. I even drove down through the Smokies and picked up I-40 outside Knoxville so I wouldn't have to drive through it.
stage left
(2,966 posts)Why do all these zealots have those crazy eyes? And a smile that looks likes a snarl?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And this could wind up being a cigar that explodes in the Goobernor's face big time. I do hope it proves to be so.
stage left
(2,966 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)stage left
(2,966 posts)I will.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)mountain grammy
(26,649 posts)and other acts of god? What is it that drives people to make such nonsensical laws, especially people who profess to " free market" and no regulations?
greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)I don't care what they SAY. It's how they VOTE (or if they give up and stay home, because there's no reason to vote, since both sides are the saaaaaaaame...).
REALLY??? You think both sides are REALLY the same? SERIOUSLY????
Would a Democrat have signed a law like this? Would a Democrat have even suggested a bill like this, much less moving to introduce a bill like this in the state legislature? 'Eh? Huh?
You Absolutely Positively Beyond-a-Doubt SURE that both sides are just all the same???? There's NO difference between them?????? They're ALL alike?????????????????????????????????
Just asking...
greatauntoftriplets
(175,750 posts)Where did I say any of that?
calimary
(81,466 posts)My over-arching point, probably a little too ham-handedly presented (sorry about that, I feel maybe too strongly about this issue), was to pose general questions into the ether. Stuff for us all to think about. Not accusations. These are complex times filled with complex issues. One of my particular favorites at the moment is the one where the US and Iran are fighting on the same side against one enemy, ISIS. Okay, THERE'S a dilemma for you! And I think whatever side we might favor, we still have to ask these questions. Aloud. To ourselves. To each other. To others who might be listening in or otherwise lurking.
Meh, that stupid drumbeat again. It just seems to me that with these advance-level problems we need some very careful and considered thinking and questioning about it. We need to drill down into - "okay, what am I REALLY upset about, here?" Which I think is when you start exploring the whole idea of - how sacrosanct are religious rights? Whose religion, anyway? So are we saying religious rights trump civil rights and equal rights and economic rights and so forth? Then we're saying Judaism-centered or Buddhism-centered or Mormonism-centered or Islam-centered rights ALSO trump all those same civil rights and equal rights and economic rights and so forth, are we not? Try THAT ONE on, CONservatives! And hey, we Catholics aren't quite the same as the various kinds of Classification-Protestant Christians, so can we split hairs that far, then, too?
I'm really glad to see businesses inside and outside Indiana reacting to this as I hope they do. ESPECIALLY the home-town ones. That way we can exert pressure from the inside as well as the outside. Sometimes the locals speak louder and more pointedly anyway. We need every one of them we can get. There has to be a big fat stop sign gouged into the ground in front of them. And I say this as a Catholic. Conflicted but still a Catholic. I don't think ANY religion trumps this. NO religion should trump this. Because whose religion gets that privilege? Who's to judge?
SHEESH - does it always have to boil down to a bunch of unruly spoiled toddlers fighting over a single large cookie? Criminy. If everybody wants some, then they all have to share, dammit! They all have to make room. They all have to be okay with not having the whole thing to themselves when all the other kids in the room probably want the exact same thing! There's just no other option here. Everybody has to share. Take some, and leave enough for everybody else to have some too.
I think the under-theme and under-message here, if you will, is rigidity. Insisting on this kind of entitlement - of "I don't have to do such and such because my religion says I don't have to," thereby imposing YOUR distinct and specialized view on everybody else who has to deal with you - is the REAL meanie here. THAT is what has to go, seems to me. If we can't flat-out get rid of it in one fell swoop, then it has to be pushed back against, has to be resisted, has to be chipped away and steadily weakened and otherwise compromised. (Think termites.)
Maybe political and social and economic erosion is what gets this job done. I'm glad there are Indiana businesses thinking with more objective heads.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, you have to look at who's legislating this stuff, who's introducing it in the legislature, who's supporting it there and pushing it toward the governor's desk, who the governor is, and how they got into those jobs to begin with. They don't just stroll on in. They win elections, in one way or other, by getting the biggest vote counts. So it's the voters. It's the voters. Those who are really in the statistical minority in large parts of the country, but who get out and vote on Election Day without fail (if they haven't already early-voted), always wind up shouting really loudly.
And they REALLY wanna win this next time. They've lost twice. They don't like that. Their dearest dream was to make President Barack Obama a one-termer. They failed. They don't like facing and admitting that they failed. Besides, THEY want all the power. And judging from the bombast we're hearing already, they want back in - BADLY, so they can do what they weren't able to do for the last six years, which is to tear down everything President Obama built, and in effect, completely negate and nullify his Presidency. They'd bulldoze his eventual Presidential Library and try to excise every mention of his name if they could. Kinda like the nutcases in the Middle East who tried to wipe the land free of false idols, including a priceless, irreplaceable historic Buddha statue rendered into the side of a mountain. ERASE his very EXISTENCE! As one teabagger lamented - "I want Obama GONE."
On our side, on the other hand, some of us find it awfully easy to throw in the towel and just go home and stay there. We get discouraged a lot quicker and more deeply than they do. Stop and think for a moment what the irrational "right" did after the Supreme Court handed down its Roe v Wade decision. Did they allow themselves to become inconsolable and just throw up their hands and stay home? Any "it's no use" types there? Well, maybe a tiny few, but the rest of 'em armed up and got militant and in-yer-face and started acting out a LOT and thundering across the airwaves and throwing loud nasty temper tantrums in public wherever and whenever they could. AND THEY NEVER TOOK "NO" FOR AN ANSWER. They never gave up. If one way was shut down for them, they came back around the side or from behind somewhere, or tried to chip a hole in the roof, or smuggle themselves in, disguised as a waiter or something. ANY loophole. ANY crack in the wall. Find it! And find it they have. Many of 'em, including candidates for office and for judicial appointments have talked all nice and such about how Roe v Wade is "settled law" but not for a minute did they mean it. I'm surprised nobody sat with one arm hidden behind their backs so you couldn't see their fingers crossed, through the years that I've watched coverage of this stuff.
I wish WE did that.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)Remember -- NOT voting doesn't keep someone out of office. Only VOTING can do that.
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world wide wally
(21,754 posts)niyad
(113,553 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)kelly1mm
(4,734 posts)even worse about Prop 8 in CA as that was VOTERS voting for discrimination. I will never forgive them for that. Just like it will not change my mind about IN if/when this law gets overturned, I will not forgive CA.
7962
(11,841 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Mahalo William!
#BoycottIndiana Oh Yeah.. our pleasure to boycott that Orwellian nightmare Mike Pence's Indiana!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)they couldn't wait to escape when they turned 18. I was only there once on a business trip, couldn't wait to get the F out and return to sanity. I know some good people live there, but it's pathetic what has happened to the state and how the damn fools running the state are working so hard to totally sink Indiana.
CanonRay
(14,113 posts)but make no mistake, it's the South.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)And Indianapolis has a really nice minor league ball park.
But the only food in the town is dead cows and it is expensive.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Follow
Shitty governor makes shitty state even shittier by signing shitty legislation. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/pence-signs-gay-marriage-religious-freedom-bill #SB101
6:52 AM - 26 Mar 2015 Arizona, USA, United States 245 Retweets 253 favorites
ananda
(28,876 posts)... what about the War on Women and all
the red state bills that harm and discriminate
against women?
What don't WE merit this response??!!!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)would be a hundredfold greater than this.
Imagine this scenario:
"I'm sorry, little missy, but my religion doesn't allow us to seat women in our restaurant. Now get the f**k out of here right now or we call the sheriff and have your feminist ass thrown in jail."
This is exactly what LGBT are facing in Indiana right now.
William769
(55,147 posts)All you have to do is read my posts.
I am not a woman but I am part of the LGBT community.
And I will say this I do not appreciate your post under the circumstances.
Have a nice day.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)In effect, they are the least Christian.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)tavernier
(12,401 posts)in this state by the morons.
I have many family and friends here of both parties who support equal rights. I think they need praise and support to overcome the teebagger idiots. Lets not throw out the baby with the bath water!!
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Way to take a stand.
anotojefiremnesuka
(198 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)For exposure for Indiana's Effed up view of what freedom really means.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Every single one.
DeSwiss
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♫ ♪ Not Goin' Back To Indiana ♪ ♫
Not goin' back to Indiana
Back to where the gays are shunned
Not goin'back to Indiana
Indiana you're no fun
I spread my wings for greener pastures
Cause Indiana's a disaster
I got the blues and that is why I sing
I just want to do my thing
Not goin' back to Indiana
Indiana here I shun
Not goin' back to Indiana
Cause that is where gays are shunned
''Okay Tito you got it!'' {Guitar Solo}
Not goin' back to Indiana
Back to where the gays are shunned
Not goin' back to Indiana
Indiana you're no fun
Hollywood you got a lot of pretty things
I see lots of movie stars with diamond rings
But Indiana's where they do you wrong
That's why I gotta sing this song
Not goin' back to Indiana
Back to where the gays are shunned
Not goin' back to Indiana
Indiana you're no fun[/center]
elfin
(6,262 posts)near entire control over state government, especially prior to WWII. The '20's were very nasty.
Echoes today of that terrible past, just as Wisconsin can't seem to shake vestiges of McCartyism.
"Nativist" streak like the living dead in too many places in Midwest.
Peaceplace80
(38 posts)There are many people here that don't agree with this! We live in South Bend and I am very proud to see business owners take a stand by placing stickers and signs in their windows. Not everyone that lives here are bigots, and they are trying to do what that can to change this. Please don't judge an entire state and the people that live here. And I did vote and it wasn't for Pence.