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Trillo

(9,154 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 03:56 PM Mar 2015

"Bar Keeper's Friend" is made in Indiana.

Boycott them because of the anti-gay law they just passed, and because "almighty god" is in their constitution, and Pence is a flaming-corporatist republican governor who supports religious hatred.

Here are some products made in Indiana.
http://www.madehereinamerica.com/Pages/Indiana.aspx

It seems they make a lot of furniture, everything on that list is fair to boycott to send Indiana legislators a message.

One product caught my attention, Bar Keeper's Friend. That is a well known stainless steel cleaner, and is used and promoted widely, including among beer brewers. I haven't been able to find any alternatives that are formulated similarly, but it appears to be 5-10% oxalic acid, an acid-based cleaner. Oxalic acid is known as superior for removing iron oxides. Oxalic acid can be purchased in bulk, I bought a lifetime supply of it once :-/.

What looks like a similar product, Bon Ami, is not equivalent, as it is an alkaline cleanser composed of calcium and sodium carbonate mixed with powdered feldspar.

Were I to desire I wanted some Bar Keeper's Friend equivalent, I'd blend 5-10% powdered oxalic acid with some finely ground feldspar.

This is not my website, but they suggest using lime juice and salt as a Bar Keeper's Friend replacement, though salt is not really an abrasive like powdered feldspar, it may work just as well, and salt is reasonably inexpensive.

If you drink or eat out, you might ask those places if they use Bar Keeper's Friend, and if so, share with them the reason for the boycott and what they can use instead.

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"Bar Keeper's Friend" is made in Indiana. (Original Post) Trillo Mar 2015 OP
Delta Faucets as well. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #1
Red Gold Tomatoes gollygee Mar 2015 #2
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #3
be sure to include the other 20 states with RFRA laws ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #4
Those laws are not the same. The Indiana law is different. yardwork Mar 2015 #8
before you boycott ... Myrina Mar 2015 #5
^^^^^^...THIS...^^^^^ (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #6
People have to follow their consciences. Trillo Mar 2015 #10
That shit stinks. Don't know why anyone would use it notadmblnd Mar 2015 #7
It works better than anything else. Travis_0004 Mar 2015 #9
Your choice. Trillo Mar 2015 #17
Where did you get the oxalic acid? Thor_MN Mar 2015 #11
I bought it online a long time ago. Trillo Mar 2015 #12
You can often find it as 'wood bleacher' in hardware and big box stores. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #14
Unfortunately, every wood bleacher I have been able to find is hypochlorite based. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #15
Savogran Wood Bleach is Oxalic Acid... PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #16
As are many Subarus. cloudbase Mar 2015 #13

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
4. be sure to include the other 20 states with RFRA laws
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:07 PM
Mar 2015

and hell, you might as well boycott the entire country because of the federal RFRA law...

sP

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
8. Those laws are not the same. The Indiana law is different.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:17 PM
Mar 2015

The new Indiana law goes much further, going beyond individuals to allow entire businesses to deny services to LGBTQ people just because they are gay.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
5. before you boycott ...
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:10 PM
Mar 2015

Check out OpenForService.org -- A group of merchants who have come out AGAINST SB101.

Don't punish the whole state.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
10. People have to follow their consciences.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:21 PM
Mar 2015

If I'm a unionized worker who doesn't want to strike because I need the money to pay my rent, and the workers vote to strike, then I'm not going to be able to pay my rent.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
9. It works better than anything else.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:18 PM
Mar 2015

Im not going to buycott it. Bar keepers friend didnt write the law and I doubt they have came out in support of it.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
17. Your choice.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 07:36 PM
Mar 2015

We are taught in school that we have a competitive system, but it doesn't seem like there is a competitor to Bar Keeper's Friend, as what you say about its excellence is the same thing I've read in many places.

I wonder why there isn't an oxalic-acid based cleanser that is a true generic of Bar Keeper's Friend? It seems if we're to have a competitive system, they would need a competitor with a chemically equivalent product. According to Wikipedia, it's been made since 1882, so any patent on the formula should have expired long ago. But there doesn't seem to be a chemically equivalent formula who competes against them, only alternative formulas that don't work quite as well.

This is the kind of lack of competition one would find in corrupt society, where we teach our kids that competition and supply and demand is the basis of our economic system, while the truth is that any competition for the product seems to be faux-competition.

I found myself wondering if just adding oxalic acid to Bon Ami might provide a similar action, but I'm sure there'd also be an acid-base reaction between the carbonates and the acid, so it probably wouldn't work quite the same. And you also have the lack of convenience in needing to make the stuff yourself.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
11. Where did you get the oxalic acid?
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:26 PM
Mar 2015

It is the best hull cleaner I have found. Removes below the waterline stains like magic. Only problem is commercial cleaning solutions are expensive, I'd rather buy some oxalic acid and make my own. Haven't been able to find a source for it though.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
12. I bought it online a long time ago.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:31 PM
Mar 2015

Here's one possibility, probably not where I got it, I'd search out a better deal, this just came up quickly.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/251417316918?lpid=82&chn=ps

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
15. Unfortunately, every wood bleacher I have been able to find is hypochlorite based.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 05:17 PM
Mar 2015

I've been to every big box brand in the area.

Total pain, trying to read fuzzy small print in 3 languages for the active ingredients, in dimly lit stores...

cloudbase

(5,525 posts)
13. As are many Subarus.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 04:37 PM
Mar 2015

Subaru has a reputation as being LGBT friendly.

Might as well boycott them as well.

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