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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:29 PM Apr 2015

UPDATED: SC officer shoots black man in back, is arrested--family plans lawsuit

Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:49 PM - Edit history (1)

North Charleston, SC, police say officer Michael Thomas Slager is in custody after announcement he will be charged in Walter Lamer Scott's death.

There is footage, taken by a civilian. ( graphic.....https://vimeo.com/124336782)
Scott knocked a taser out of the cop's hands, then turned and jogged away. Cop emptied his gun, then handcuffed the prone victim.

North Charleston, SC, officer to face murder charge after video shows him shooting man in back, mayor says

North Charleston police officer was arrested on a murder charge Tuesday after video surfaced of the lawman shooting eight times at 50-year-old Walter Scott as he ran away.

http://www.postandcourier.com/


Mug shot has been released now:
https://twitter.com/KRBolster/status/585575459301281795

Breaking news says family asks for no violence and they plan lawsuit.

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UPDATED: SC officer shoots black man in back, is arrested--family plans lawsuit (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 OP
The link is bad. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2015 #1
North Charleston is in South Carolina unless it moved./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #3
Yes...NC =North Charleston dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #13
I like Charleston.../NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #16
3 days ago... vid says April 4 / 2015 uponit7771 Apr 2015 #5
Link works for me. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #11
omg... this shit is horrible!!!! uponit7771 Apr 2015 #2
Slager's report should make for interesting reading. n/t cloudbase Apr 2015 #4
I wonder what the police report says. bravenak Apr 2015 #6
the cop was claiming that the victim took his taser. KMOD Apr 2015 #40
I just watched again. I saw him plant that gun. bravenak Apr 2015 #42
I didn't see him plant a gun on the victim. It looked like he handcuffed the victim Maraya1969 Apr 2015 #98
The end of the vid shows the LEO going back and getting the Tasor and throwing it near the person uponit7771 Apr 2015 #106
After he shot the guy, watch in slow mo. bravenak Apr 2015 #111
Watch it at the NYT herding cats Apr 2015 #116
"It was easy for him." sheshe2 Apr 2015 #117
I'm starting to think it's a part of the training. bravenak Apr 2015 #121
What is part of the training is correct phrases to use in the report dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #151
Yep. It's a part of the script they are taught. bravenak Apr 2015 #153
this has to stop gwheezie Apr 2015 #7
Holy crap matt819 Apr 2015 #8
Christ.... SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #9
It almost looked like the cop was out of it...not even thinking he might be dead. Duh? libdem4life Apr 2015 #59
Most police dept have insurance for things like this. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #145
even with a video like this, you wonder if the cop will be found guilty rurallib Apr 2015 #10
No shit, juries tend to worship cops as hero's. nt Logical Apr 2015 #53
Here is a link to the original story, before the video surfaced... SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #12
Yet the video clearly shows the man smacked the taser to the gruond then ran dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #14
Right? The cop had about 20 other options... SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #21
Exactly. There's something terribly wrong when cop's FIRST instinct is shoot to kill. Phentex Apr 2015 #141
"Officers tried to revive him" by shooting laser beams out of their eyes as he lay prone, handcuffed uppityperson Apr 2015 #129
How many stories like this must exist? joshcryer Apr 2015 #38
Wow, cops lie all the time and without video, this cop gets off. nt Logical Apr 2015 #54
No struggle at all, the guy fled at a snails pace. Rex Apr 2015 #69
Taser won't work if it deployes the barbs... Historic NY Apr 2015 #137
Scott was 50yrs old & was stopped in a Mercedes Benz..IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE or HOW YOU ACT! uponit7771 Apr 2015 #15
Yeah, and a couple hundred grand from GoFundMe. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #29
Murder in the First Degree RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #17
I hope the authoritarians do try to defend this and out themselves as automatons GoneFishin Apr 2015 #18
This is a more comprehensive link sunnystarr Apr 2015 #19
At least this cop got arrested Warpy Apr 2015 #20
How do you know Sctts' a dead beat father already!? !?!? What does that have to do with a uponit7771 Apr 2015 #24
The cop stopped him because he had outstanding warrants Warpy Apr 2015 #28
I did, the article I read said he was stopped because of a tail light out in his MB.... uponit7771 Apr 2015 #32
These stories? Nope. None of these links say that. uppityperson Apr 2015 #130
The news article in the link said Scott had warrants for unpaid child support, dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #33
That's not the reason the cop stopped him, it was because of a tail light in his MB... the warrants uponit7771 Apr 2015 #35
The arrest warrant Dale Neiburg Apr 2015 #155
The cop wanted him to die. nt. Mariana Apr 2015 #49
What did the guy even do to begin with? cwydro Apr 2015 #22
He was stopped for a broken brake light. Glimmer of Hope Apr 2015 #23
... in his Mercedes Benz ... (uppity black man shooting) uponit7771 Apr 2015 #26
It was a rusted out junky old car. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #70
I don't know what the condition of the car has to do with anytyhing, I've not read on it either... uponit7771 Apr 2015 #74
They showed a picture of it during one of the news stories. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #87
Video RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #92
here are a couple incredible paragraphs from that link. uppityperson Apr 2015 #132
Seriously? cwydro Apr 2015 #30
There are 2 links to the local news story. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #34
Thanks. I just read them. cwydro Apr 2015 #36
I don't give murdering cops the benefit of the doubt, Even Wilson... since he was too cowardly uponit7771 Apr 2015 #37
White guy? Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #57
Huh? cwydro Apr 2015 #139
Maybe the cop threated to kill him. nt. Mariana Apr 2015 #50
Maybe he was afraid. NOLALady Apr 2015 #68
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2015 #75
Who is coordinating the thuggish training that is causing so many murders by cops? There are too GoneFishin Apr 2015 #25
Really? You think its some sort of giant coordinated conspiracy??? cstanleytech Apr 2015 #44
Do you call the distribution of military gear to local police forces a conspiracy? GoneFishin Apr 2015 #61
OK cstanleytech Apr 2015 #95
ok heaven05 Apr 2015 #110
You kinda answered DesertDawg Apr 2015 #114
Don't know if we are hearing about it more, or what. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #115
The military shanti Apr 2015 #56
That would make sense. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #62
This ^^^^^ job security for returning vets...training already done and ready to kill, I mean libdem4life Apr 2015 #65
Yup and to be honest its a piss poor way for police departments to recruit new officers imo. nt cstanleytech Apr 2015 #101
Thank god for the video Egnever Apr 2015 #27
Nothing ever happens to them (the cops). cwydro Apr 2015 #31
You can be both pro law enforcement and against police brutality. Rex Apr 2015 #80
I agree, I know cops who are embaraced and know it's just that 10% but there's no means to speak up uponit7771 Apr 2015 #94
I agree, there needs to be an open and transparent grieving process that does not all way in the cops Rex Apr 2015 #100
Yes they are. ncjustice80 Apr 2015 #128
Good thing it went to a news outlet, too. pintobean Apr 2015 #41
Find a jury that believes in doing the right thing damnedifIknow Apr 2015 #39
Now on the front page of Huffington Post. One of top stories there.. Stuart G Apr 2015 #43
Another true american hero risking his life for us. I bet this asshole gets off. nt Logical Apr 2015 #45
The rule would be for the officer to not only get off but get funded and then get a bigger pay day uponit7771 Apr 2015 #46
This video is the worst I have ever seen. No reaching in waist band, no threat to officer at all.... Logical Apr 2015 #48
I do not think so, not with this video.. Stuart G Apr 2015 #47
I missed the police report part. My worry is juries tend to worship the police as heroes. nt Logical Apr 2015 #51
No, they'll convict. NYC Liberal Apr 2015 #58
... I doubt it, they'll use the Wilson \ Zimmerman defense... that the THOUGHT of the person ... uponit7771 Apr 2015 #66
They can't. Supreme Court has already ruled on this npk Apr 2015 #124
Jurys love cops. Raised to trust them and adore them. nt Logical Apr 2015 #67
Not all juries, in KC we walked 2 by 2 not for gang bangers but dirty cops uponit7771 Apr 2015 #78
I live in KC area also. But overall jurys trust cops. Grand Jurys especially. nt Logical Apr 2015 #82
Yeap, GJ have to trust the cops because of the PAs... There should be a law allowing for outside uponit7771 Apr 2015 #84
This won't go to the jury. It will plea out. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #81
Probably true, and in the past judges have given the cops double time served awaiting for trial. nt Logical Apr 2015 #88
The Wilson \ Zimmerman pattern of ID'd threat - needlessly pursue threat and place self... uponit7771 Apr 2015 #102
The attorney resigned when the truth came out. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #103
Just read that... whoa... OK... that's at least different... no holding my breath though uponit7771 Apr 2015 #104
I am SHOCKED the cops did not arrest the man videoing it. And take his camera as "Evidence"! nt Logical Apr 2015 #52
We are very lucky that this video still exists. Stuart G Apr 2015 #55
That was my second thought, after the horror of it. This photographer was fairly brazen and lucky FailureToCommunicate Apr 2015 #99
Yes, and how many cops have did this with no video? 100s, 1000s? nt Logical Apr 2015 #108
I think the fence between the videographer and the murderous cop JimDandy Apr 2015 #136
I can't even watch it. I just can't BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #60
I watched it. It is truly ugly Stuart G Apr 2015 #73
It's just beyond words BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #77
And not just once - SEVERAL shots TBF Apr 2015 #147
What a sickening video to watch. Vinca Apr 2015 #63
So they must know he is dead, otherwise why leave his face buried in the dirt? Rex Apr 2015 #64
I think the video zentrum Apr 2015 #90
You've got good eyes, I could not tell what he was doing. Rex Apr 2015 #93
I wonder how quickly the cop will get off. It has to be a justified shooting. They all are. valerief Apr 2015 #71
WHOA!!! On All In!! Chris Hayes!! Shows Cop Dropping Taser!!! uponit7771 Apr 2015 #72
On Cris Hayes - North Charleston charge with same criticism of over policing & rackateering like FPD uponit7771 Apr 2015 #76
Horrifying. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #79
Is it my imagination or zentrum Apr 2015 #83
+1, he also comes back and throws the tasor on the ground near the person he murdered uponit7771 Apr 2015 #86
I think this might become one of the most viewed videos ever. Millions will see this. everywhere.. Stuart G Apr 2015 #89
practically emotionless... Phentex Apr 2015 #142
I'm very glad he was arrested. Sissyk Apr 2015 #85
This is cold blooded murder, and it is on film. I really hope he is charged with murder still_one Apr 2015 #91
They've been getting away with murder for way too long malaise Apr 2015 #96
That's murder and he lied about the taser to try and cover it up. herding cats Apr 2015 #97
we'll see gwheezie Apr 2015 #105
This story is incredible. Stuart G Apr 2015 #107
The importance is the cop has to be caught in broad daylight murdering a person AND planting evidenc uponit7771 Apr 2015 #109
You could probably have left out the word "black" and we'd have known it. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #112
+1, also... Scott would've had 5 bullets in the back... how would the cop explain that?! uponit7771 Apr 2015 #113
Notice the police officer looking over his shoulder nilesobek Apr 2015 #118
He didn't even seem angry to me. herding cats Apr 2015 #119
Agree on all your points. nilesobek Apr 2015 #122
You seem to have a typo in your title: "is arrested". Dr. Strange Apr 2015 #120
Only reason I can think of is the video is too clear to be denied. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #133
"THAT's gotta mean something" jberryhill Apr 2015 #144
This notion that law enforcement has that anyone who ZX86 Apr 2015 #123
Whoever took that video is damn lucky they didn't get shot too Number23 Apr 2015 #125
My first thoughts also. Officer Insane-O, with the murder and the gun, is a very dangerous person. Bonx Apr 2015 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Apr 2015 #126
Pictures of Walter Scott... TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #127
Thank you, TeeYiYi KMOD Apr 2015 #131
You're welcome, KMOD. ..nt TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #135
where is the struggle for the taser gwheezie Apr 2015 #138
Do you hear the clicking sound at the beginning? jberryhill Apr 2015 #140
I think you are correct. That's a taser pop. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #143
How much is this cop going to make from wingnuts for doing this? alarimer Apr 2015 #146
Thank goodness the guy with the camera was there--and is still alive! WI_DEM Apr 2015 #148
I agree with you, I am glad the cameraman got what he did. Stuart G Apr 2015 #149
Horrific, and thank goodness it was recorded. No chance of justice otherwise. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #150
As it turns out.... dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #152
For a God damn car light...thanks for the link. So out of control, it's sickening. Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #154
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
6. I wonder what the police report says.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:40 PM
Apr 2015

Cops just keep on killing and lying. This was a murder.
I hope we don't have anybody here saying this was justified like last time.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
40. the cop was claiming that the victim took his taser.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:26 PM
Apr 2015

the video shows the cop dropping the taser near the victim's body.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
42. I just watched again. I saw him plant that gun.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

He did it so casually I didn't even notice the first time. It was easy for him.

Maraya1969

(22,494 posts)
98. I didn't see him plant a gun on the victim. It looked like he handcuffed the victim
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:33 PM
Apr 2015

even though he was already dead. Is that where you say the cop planted a gun on the guy.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
106. The end of the vid shows the LEO going back and getting the Tasor and throwing it near the person
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:44 PM
Apr 2015

... he murdered

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
111. After he shot the guy, watch in slow mo.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:55 PM
Apr 2015

He picks up the taser and then casually dropps it by the victim's head before cuffing him. It was so casual I missed it at first.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
116. Watch it at the NYT
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:48 PM
Apr 2015

They point out where he drops what appears to be the stun gun in the video. It's around the 1:40 mark, but they stop it then play it slow and point out he's dropping something by the body. He goes back to get what appears to be the stun gun at :59, picks it up from where it was flung on the ground at 1:09 and then plants it next to the body at 1:40ish. It's much easier to notice if you use the NYT video.

They mention it in the article below the video as well.

Something — it is not clear whether it is the stun gun — is either tossed or knocked to the ground behind the two men, and Officer Slager draws his gun, the video shows. When the officer fires, Mr. Scott appears to be 15 to 20 feet away and fleeing. He falls after the last of eight shots.

The officer then runs back toward where the initial scuffle occurred and picks something up off the ground. Moments later, he drops an object near Mr. Scott’s body, the video shows.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
151. What is part of the training is correct phrases to use in the report
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:24 PM
Apr 2015

Time after time you hear the cops say .."reaching in his waistband" " felt my life was in danger"
the exact same phrases, from state to state.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
7. this has to stop
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:41 PM
Apr 2015

How can we continue to allow this to happen? I know le has had to kill people when they really have no choice but this cop didn't even break a sweat. He calmly stood and fired at a man who was barely running away. I hope justice is served for the victim.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
8. Holy crap
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:42 PM
Apr 2015

There's no question mind that this video captured a cop murdering a guy. How many more times does this have to happen before something changes.

Multi million dollar lawsuits. Civil lawsuits? Cops charged with murder? At least that hsppened on this case. Cops need to cross that thin blue line and take a stand that this has to stop.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
9. Christ....
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:42 PM
Apr 2015

At least he's being charged although that's not much consolation for the mans family.

That cop looked like it didn't even bother him, "Hands behind your back"? You just fucking shot the guy, how about calling for an ambulance?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
59. It almost looked like the cop was out of it...not even thinking he might be dead. Duh?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:50 PM
Apr 2015

Not a lot of urgency or concern, that's for sure.

Pretty sure he's getting it now...thank god for the cell phone camera. Big Brother got him...by cell phone. I'm going to keep mine more convenient...one never knows anymore. Think of all the court and jury money this saves and what is going to cost the local "officials". (I know, the taxpayer pays it, but they can lose their jobs.)

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
12. Here is a link to the original story, before the video surfaced...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:49 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150404/PC16/150409635

Interesting to see how the story was reported before the video was seen...

"A statement released by North Charleston police spokesman Spencer Pryor said a man ran on foot from the traffic stop and an officer deployed his department-issued Taser in an attempt to stop him.

That did not work, police said, and an altercation ensued as the men struggled over the device. Police allege that during the struggle the man gained control of the Taser and attempted to use it against the officer.

The officer then resorted to his service weapon and shot him, police alleged."

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
14. Yet the video clearly shows the man smacked the taser to the gruond then ran
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:52 PM
Apr 2015

no sign of altercation.

and the taser can be seen lying on the ground as the cop shoots.

In fact, the guy could barely run..he was sorta gullumping along. The cop could have caught up to him easily, but made no effort to, immediately pulled his gun.
Then handcuffed the victim and walked away, left him lying there will bullets in him.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
21. Right? The cop had about 20 other options...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:58 PM
Apr 2015

The guy was obviously not going far, this was cold blooded murder. Thank god the kid took the video or the cop would have walked away without question.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
141. Exactly. There's something terribly wrong when cop's FIRST instinct is shoot to kill.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:32 AM
Apr 2015

and it's happening too many times with or without video.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
129. "Officers tried to revive him" by shooting laser beams out of their eyes as he lay prone, handcuffed
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:38 PM
Apr 2015

on the ground?

argh

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
69. No struggle at all, the guy fled at a snails pace.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:02 PM
Apr 2015

Cop empties clip into guy fleeing, sees someone recording...walks up and pretends dead guy is still alive then plants the taser.

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
137. Taser won't work if it deployes the barbs...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:18 AM
Apr 2015

it will only function as a stun gun....That officer had control of the taser and he dropped it to draw his handgun. It appears that the part of the video that will sink him.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
15. Scott was 50yrs old & was stopped in a Mercedes Benz..IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE or HOW YOU ACT!
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:52 PM
Apr 2015

We're all thugs to these bastards

This officer most likely will -

get time off with back pay....

He will be awarded many medals

Accolades among his peers

Big pay days afterwards...

This has been the rule and not the expection

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
18. I hope the authoritarians do try to defend this and out themselves as automatons
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:55 PM
Apr 2015

who simply are incapable of sympathizing with any victim if their assailant is someone "official".

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
20. At least this cop got arrested
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:57 PM
Apr 2015

Scott was a deadbeat father, not a violent criminal who was a threat to bystanders.

Slager also offered no care to Scott, cuffing him and running to get his gear instead of putting pressure on wounds. While it's unlikely to have made a difference in the outcome, it shows Slager's state of mind--he was furious that someone had rejected his absolute authority and showed absolutely no regard for the human being bleeding to death.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
24. How do you know Sctts' a dead beat father already!? !?!? What does that have to do with a
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:01 PM
Apr 2015

....ANYTHING!?!?!?!

I don't see how that plays a factor of him getting murdered...

regards


Warpy

(111,332 posts)
28. The cop stopped him because he had outstanding warrants
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:04 PM
Apr 2015

for non payment of child support.

Do read the articles at the links. They can be quite enlightening.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
32. I did, the article I read said he was stopped because of a tail light out in his MB....
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:07 PM
Apr 2015

... nothing to do with warrants

here

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/04/07/398140336/south-carolina-police-officer-charged-with-murder-after-shooting-man-in-back

The shooting happened about 9:30 a.m. [Saturday] when Slager told investigators he pulled over Walter Scott for a broken tail light at the corner of Remount and Craig roads

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
130. These stories? Nope. None of these links say that.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:44 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468

His department said he pulled over Scott’s Mercedes-Benz sedan near Remount and Craig roads because it had a broken brake light. But at some point, Scott ran away with Slager in pursuit on foot. Scott’s passenger stayed with the Mercedes.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/04/07/398140336/south-carolina-police-officer-charged-with-murder-after-shooting-man-in-back
"The shooting happened about 9:30 a.m. [Saturday] when Slager told investigators he pulled over Walter Scott for a broken tail light at the corner of Remount and Craig roads," WCIV-TV reports


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0
The shooting unfolded after Officer Slager stopped the driver of a Mercedes-Benz with a broken taillight, according to police reports.


http://www.abcnews4.com/story/28725562/coroner-identifies-man-shot-killed-by-north-charleston-police-officer
The incident began about 9:30 a.m. Saturday when Officer Michael Slager, 33, pulled 50-year-old Walter Scott over for a broken tail light at the corner of Remount and Craig roads.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
33. The news article in the link said Scott had warrants for unpaid child support,
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:07 PM
Apr 2015

Has no factor in him getting murdered, has some factor as to why he may not have not wanted to be arrested.

The article also says the cop's lawyer has resigned.
Wonder why....

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
35. That's not the reason the cop stopped him, it was because of a tail light in his MB... the warrants
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:10 PM
Apr 2015

... excuse came afterwards

The shooting happened about 9:30 a.m. [Saturday] when Slager told investigators he pulled over Walter Scott for a broken tail light at the corner of Remount and Craig roads


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/04/07/398140336/south-carolina-police-officer-charged-with-murder-after-shooting-man-in-back

Dale Neiburg

(698 posts)
155. The arrest warrant
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 08:34 AM
Apr 2015

When a police officer makes a traffic stop (for a bad brake light, for example), part of the standard process is to call in a 10-29 (check for outstanding arrest warrants). If that comes back positive, arresting the person is the norm (in fact, required). That may have been the factor that started this incident going in the first place.

Something I haven't seen addressed anywhere is the second officer on the scene while the taser is being planted. Even if he had nothing to do with the shooting -- and may have been horrified by it, for all we know -- it seems to me he would be contemplating unhappily the possibility of being charged with at least accessory after...unless of course he was to turn state's evidence....

 

RealityAdvocate

(106 posts)
70. It was a rusted out junky old car.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:03 PM
Apr 2015

This was murder, cold blooded. No need to try to spice up the story by embellishing.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
74. I don't know what the condition of the car has to do with anytyhing, I've not read on it either...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:05 PM
Apr 2015

...do you have a quote on the condition of the car?

tia

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
132. here are a couple incredible paragraphs from that link.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:45 PM
Apr 2015
The attorney for a North Charleston police officer who shot a 50-year-old man during a confrontation at a traffic stop Saturday says his client believes he followed proper procedure.

The incident began about 9:30 a.m. Saturday when Officer Michael Slager, 33, pulled 50-year-old Walter Scott over for a broken tail light at the corner of Remount and Craig roads.

Police and witnesses say Scott tried to run from Slager before turning to fight for the officer's Taser. It was during that scuffle that the officer fired his service weapon, fatally wounding Scott.
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
36. Thanks. I just read them.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:12 PM
Apr 2015

Nothing excuses this cold-blooded murder.

But I've been stopped for tail light/headlight crap.

I never run away.

Truly, I cannot understand why folks run from cops. Crazy.

Again, this is wrong.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
37. I don't give murdering cops the benefit of the doubt, Even Wilson... since he was too cowardly
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015

... to fill out a proper report after killing someone

But at some point, Scott ran away with Slager in pursuit on foot. Scott’s passenger stayed with the Mercedes.


This is the cops version, the cops a murderer ...

I don't believe 50 yr big man Scott (or even 300lb 18yr kid Brown) just "ran away" from anything .... those two aint going far fast...

There was no reason for Wilson or this cop to shoot at anyone from behind or even pursue to the point of capture...

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
68. Maybe he was afraid.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:02 PM
Apr 2015

Maybe he was aware that there are cops who behave worse than criminal thugs and he feared for his life.

Maybe he had been stopped before for the crime of D(a MB)WB, and he felt his life was in danger.

Maybe he knew that Officer Friendly was downright Hostile.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
25. Who is coordinating the thuggish training that is causing so many murders by cops? There are too
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:01 PM
Apr 2015

many coming too fast for this just to be a coincidence. What program are these cops going through that has lowered the bar from a general expectation that cops are not allowed to shoot unarmed civilians to a point now where unloading (not one or two shots) their gun into people who pose no immediate threat is the norm.

What the fuck is going on with their training?

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
61. Do you call the distribution of military gear to local police forces a conspiracy?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:51 PM
Apr 2015

The militarization of America's police is a well documented phenomenon. It's common across the country.

I am saying that a goddamned lot of unarmed civilians are being used for target practice by cops all over the country within a short period of time, and I am wondering what is the common catalyst for that. You want to try to be clever by calling it a conspiracy? Knock yourself out.

I want to know what the fuck is going on with cops across the country who believe that emptying their guns into unarmed civilians is AfuckingOK.

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
95. OK
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:29 PM
Apr 2015

"Do you call the distribution of military gear to local police forces a conspiracy?
The militarization of America's police is a well documented phenomenon. It's common across the country. "
No, I wouldnt call getting of rid of a combination of obsolete and or useless gear for the military a "conspiracy" though clearly you would.

"I am saying that a goddamned lot of unarmed civilians are being used for target practice by cops all over the country within a short period of time, and I am wondering what is the common catalyst for that. You want to try to be clever by calling it a conspiracy? Knock yourself out.

I want to know what the fuck is going on with cops across the country who believe that emptying their guns into unarmed civilians is AfuckingOK."
The percentage of officers shooting people is lower than people shooting people and by the tone of your posts you are the one trying to imply its actually some sort of conspiracy and before you try and claim you arent you were the one that just said "The militarization of America's police is a well documented phenomenon."
You want know what it is really going on though? Police departments are recruiting idiots (who more often than not also seem to be bigots) not mention a lack of training and the two combined are whats mostly causing these problems.
But you know what we both have in common? We both want this to stop but thats going to take time because to do it the police departments are going to have to get rid of the idiots and recruit good intelligent officers and then provide them the proper training.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
110. ok
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:51 PM
Apr 2015

yet your try at even handedness is admirable. Of course there would be less officer shootings of unarmed people and POC than in the general population. There are more clowns with guns in this culture than there are police officers. As long as those "idiots" are the only ones attracted to this profession, this is what we will be forced to live with and fear. It truly seems to me that something is brewing, whether some coordinated racist conspiracy, of which I'm not ready to totally subscribe to, or just racist idiots in uniform and hiding behind a badge, able to live out their racist fantasies of pulling the trigger on a ........ Like racism in general, it will NEVER go away unless thousands start demanding just what you suggested and not enough people will ever care enough about the killing of a POC to change this system of murder and execution.

I'm beginning to believe these officers are preferred by a large majority of police departments. Because 9 times out of ten, even with some type of obvious murder/execution such as this, the officer will walk. Especially when the M.O is, which I have read on here already you know, that the black man was a "criminal" because of warrants for nonpayment of child support, you know muddy the waters so the POC can be degraded AND FORGOTTEN. I am so sick of this murderous culture and all these murderous human beings, both in uniform and with badge and without and all their enablers here and at go fund me. 800,000+ for bigoted christians., almost a million for the cop who resigned after executing Michael Brown in Ferguson. Living in luxury reveling in their bigot and murder. No I am not talking of you, yet.

DesertDawg

(66 posts)
114. You kinda answered
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:17 PM
Apr 2015

Your own question. Cops aren't being trained to be Cops anymore, they're being trained to be Soldiers on a battlefield.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
115. Don't know if we are hearing about it more, or what.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:29 PM
Apr 2015

The war against blacks has been going on for too long, tho.

What I do like is camera phones are now ubiquitous, and people are aware of the importance of using them.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
65. This ^^^^^ job security for returning vets...training already done and ready to kill, I mean
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:59 PM
Apr 2015

patrol. I don't care what anyone says, the military trains humans not to feel when they shoot someone. It's their duty. Otherwise, we could not have perennial war. White soldiers don't naturally hate Iraqi men and women, or vice versa. It must be trained...or in the victim countries, experienced as lost loved ones.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
27. Thank god for the video
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:02 PM
Apr 2015

One of the best things to come from all the smart phones is stuff like this getting caught on tape. That is a lot of lead flying through the air for no reason . I hope this guy gets the book thrown at him.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
31. Nothing ever happens to them (the cops).
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:05 PM
Apr 2015

I was one of those who tried to see both sides, but I'm becoming more and more jaded.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
80. You can be both pro law enforcement and against police brutality.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:08 PM
Apr 2015

They are not mutually exclusive issues.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
94. I agree, I know cops who are embaraced and know it's just that 10% but there's no means to speak up
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:27 PM
Apr 2015

... against them

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
100. I agree, there needs to be an open and transparent grieving process that does not all way in the cops
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:34 PM
Apr 2015

favor. They just have it too easy when it comes to covering up 'mistakes' as they like to call them. The local cops in my small town are horrified at the brutality shown in these recent encounters. This town is also one of those throwback towns of Mayberry style. The PD has a monthly get together at their headquarters for the town population to air any and all grievances against patrolman.

I think it all boils down to, is your chief of police an honorable person? Is the DA an honest person? Do they understand the social contract between them and the local populace?



ncjustice80

(948 posts)
128. Yes they are.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:21 PM
Apr 2015

Fuck these racist, murdering thug cops. They need their guns taken away and their funding slashed till this madness stops.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
43. Now on the front page of Huffington Post. One of top stories there..
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:32 PM
Apr 2015

Many thousands will see this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

ain't pretty, but he will get he has coming. This video says it all.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
46. The rule would be for the officer to not only get off but get funded and then get a bigger pay day
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015

... after he gets a couple of FAUX news interviews

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
48. This video is the worst I have ever seen. No reaching in waist band, no threat to officer at all....
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:39 PM
Apr 2015

this really pisses me off. God dammit.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
47. I do not think so, not with this video..
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:38 PM
Apr 2015

Because the police report lied, and this proves it. I believe he is toast.
No matter what he says, this says it all..

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
58. No, they'll convict.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:49 PM
Apr 2015

And then we'll hear from cop apologists that "See! Bad cops DO get punished! Stop complaining!"

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
66. ... I doubt it, they'll use the Wilson \ Zimmerman defense... that the THOUGHT of the person ...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:00 PM
Apr 2015

...being a threat BEFORE the shooting was enough to killing no matter what the situation.

Wilson and Zimmerman both admit the person they killed was a threat before pursuing them... then allowed to place themselves in "PERCEIVED" danger... by pursuing the person who they claim is the threat

npk

(3,660 posts)
124. They can't. Supreme Court has already ruled on this
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:48 PM
Apr 2015

Can't shoot a person that is fleeing, unless the suspect has just committed a violent felony and is likely to commit another violent felony should he get away.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
84. Yeap, GJ have to trust the cops because of the PAs... There should be a law allowing for outside
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:13 PM
Apr 2015

... investigation during the situations no matter what it looks like.


That would reduce the conflict of interest between PAs and Local PDs

 

RealityAdvocate

(106 posts)
81. This won't go to the jury. It will plea out.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:08 PM
Apr 2015

Cop will plea to murder 2. He will do a decade in prison and another decade or two on paper.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
102. The Wilson \ Zimmerman pattern of ID'd threat - needlessly pursue threat and place self...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:37 PM
Apr 2015

... in greater danger - kill threat is established now.

... the cops attorney is already saying he followed procedure.

 

RealityAdvocate

(106 posts)
103. The attorney resigned when the truth came out.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

This will be an easy trial and is nothing like Wilson or Zimmerman.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
55. We are very lucky that this video still exists.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:44 PM
Apr 2015

Many cops would have arrested the person taking this, destroyed it and moved along as if nothing (yes,nothing had happened)

FailureToCommunicate

(14,020 posts)
99. That was my second thought, after the horror of it. This photographer was fairly brazen and lucky
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:34 PM
Apr 2015

the cop was so distracted he didn't collect and destroy evidence of his killing this man.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
136. I think the fence between the videographer and the murderous cop
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:19 AM
Apr 2015

was partly to thank for impeding that cop from trying to destroy the guys camera phone...also another officer on the scene, and the cop needing time to plant evidence on the victim played a part.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
73. I watched it. It is truly ugly
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:04 PM
Apr 2015

He shot the guy who was running away. For everyone to see. In the first 60 seconds.
And the cop tried to set it up so it was different than it was..
and everyone can see that in the video too..

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
77. It's just beyond words
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:07 PM
Apr 2015

How can anyone hate someone so much just because he has black skin? How can he hate enough to kill, to take that person's life? And how do we as a society give these people who hate so deeply a badge and a gun. When will it stop? I hope this cop going to jail for murder is the beginning. But there are so many incidents that the murderer (Darren Wilson, Zimmerman, et al.) goes free. I don't even know where to begin. It is madness.

TBF

(32,086 posts)
147. And not just once - SEVERAL shots
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:39 PM
Apr 2015

it is very difficult to watch but everyone should try to do it.

Vinca

(50,302 posts)
63. What a sickening video to watch.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:53 PM
Apr 2015

What the hell is wrong with that cop? How can someone have that amount of hate in them?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
64. So they must know he is dead, otherwise why leave his face buried in the dirt?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:55 PM
Apr 2015

They cuff him and check his pockets, knowing someone is filming them...and some places want to make it illegal to records cops?

YES INDEED, FOR CITIZEN SAFETY. YES YES. INDEED.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
90. I think the video
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:18 PM
Apr 2015

….will show that they didn't know. They just didn't care. I guess that's your point.

The way the shooter, goes back and finally touches the victim's pulse point shows that he wasn't sure for over a minute earlier. This underscores the true level of coldness and indifference of this guy. His first impulse was to walk away. No impulse to bend over and see if there was any hope.


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
93. You've got good eyes, I could not tell what he was doing.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:26 PM
Apr 2015

Yes my point was they did not care at all, if the man is unable to move and is bleeding out...show some mercy by rolling him over so he doesn't drown in his own blood. It's very painful to watch that video and realize that a person just died over a broken tail light. The cop knew he fucked up and went into Plant Evidence CYA mode.

The inhumanity is self-evident, I agree with you.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
71. I wonder how quickly the cop will get off. It has to be a justified shooting. They all are.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:04 PM
Apr 2015

And electronic voting machines don't flip votes.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
83. Is it my imagination or
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:10 PM
Apr 2015

...did the shooter cop say to the approaching cop, "I fucked up"? Anyone else hear that? Isn't that a spontaneous admission of culpability? (As opposed to the usual, "I had no choice. He reached for his waist.&quot

Also, note how callous he is right after the shooting. He puts on the cuffs and doesn't lean over to see if the man is breathing. He walks away. Only several minutes later does he touch the pulse to find out for sure.....

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
89. I think this might become one of the most viewed videos ever. Millions will see this. everywhere..
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:17 PM
Apr 2015

It is clear and easy to see what happened.
It is short.
It is on the front page of NYTimes and is a major story across the country.
The police report is there with the lies of the officer.
It is so obvious, so clear, and so easily defined as.."murder"

The man is running away.... clear use of weapon on unarmed person running away.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
85. I'm very glad he was arrested.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:14 PM
Apr 2015

He murdered Walter, lied in the police report, and then lied while being interviewed by investigators. Thankfully, there is a video.

Throw the book at him.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
97. That's murder and he lied about the taser to try and cover it up.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:31 PM
Apr 2015

He would have gotten away with it, if not for the video.

Finally, video proof of what we've been saying is taking place here in the US. This will go viral around the globe.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
109. The importance is the cop has to be caught in broad daylight murdering a person AND planting evidenc
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:46 PM
Apr 2015

... to be charged...

Or not... Garner's death was ...

I'm not holding my breath

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
112. You could probably have left out the word "black" and we'd have known it.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:00 PM
Apr 2015

Things are that consistently bad.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
113. +1, also... Scott would've had 5 bullets in the back... how would the cop explain that?!
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:15 PM
Apr 2015

... it's funny that this wasn't an issue upfront with the Local PDs

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
118. Notice the police officer looking over his shoulder
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:05 PM
Apr 2015

and around to see if anyone was watching. Its obvious this shooting was a cowardly and criminal act. The cop was angry that the taser was slapped out of his hand and just loses it on a fleeing civilian.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
119. He didn't even seem angry to me.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:17 PM
Apr 2015

Which was more frightening than if he had. He actually kept his head about him and instantly concocted an alibi. Which he radioed in a couple of seconds after shooting the man. He then made sure the man was restrained JIK the eight bullets didn't do their job. Trotted back over and picked up what appears to be the taser and then casually drops it a few moments later near the body of his victim.

He was too damn calm about the entire thing, and way too good at covering his ass. If not for the video...well, let's just say I'm very grateful to the person who took the video.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
122. Agree on all your points.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:39 PM
Apr 2015

What was going through his mind to account for the nonchalance attitude? I figure this guy's excuses will evolve revoltingly according to media whim. Ugh.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
133. Only reason I can think of is the video is too clear to be denied.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:47 PM
Apr 2015

This happened Sat. the 4th.
The arrest did not come until today.
Even more meaningful is that his lawyer quit on him. THAT's gotta mean something.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
144. "THAT's gotta mean something"
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:48 PM
Apr 2015

If the lawyer was originally assigned to the case because the police department is also represented by the lawyer, then the lawyer would HAVE TO quit if the cop was arrested.

That's pretty normal.

I had a case once where I represented two people who had been accused of something. An expert report showed, fairly persuasively, that at least one of them had actually done it, but couldn't conclude which one.

At that point, I told my clients, "it's time for you each to get your own lawyer" - because their best individual strategy was to agree with the expert report that the other guy did it.

Those kinds of things happen all of the time.

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
123. This notion that law enforcement has that anyone who
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:39 PM
Apr 2015

doesn't immediately comply to commands can be summarily killed has got to stop! Whether you are drunk, high, deaf, mentally disabled, or just a jerk they feel they can dispense instant death is horrifying. And while Black people are bearing the brunt of this vicious policy don't for a minute think this behaviour is reserved for minorities only. White skin will not save you from these pyscho cops. There was that cop in Tennessee choking out a handcuffed student, Arizona cops killed that homeless man, and Cali cops killed that poor guy calling out for his dad. That's just off the top of my head.

Bonx

(2,066 posts)
134. My first thoughts also. Officer Insane-O, with the murder and the gun, is a very dangerous person.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:17 AM
Apr 2015

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
138. where is the struggle for the taser
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:45 AM
Apr 2015

I don't even see that. The murder victim could have just been making a defensive move and the cop dropped the taser.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
140. Do you hear the clicking sound at the beginning?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:21 AM
Apr 2015

When the camera is originally pointed at the sidewalk, at the very beginning of the video, you hear a rapid clicking sound and a pop.

Compare to this sound:

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
146. How much is this cop going to make from wingnuts for doing this?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:52 PM
Apr 2015

I'm so cynical; I'm sure the wingnuts are have now set up a defense fund and will ensure he profits somehow. They seem to approve of this sort of thing.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
148. Thank goodness the guy with the camera was there--and is still alive!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:57 PM
Apr 2015

The murderer apparently didn't see him.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
149. I agree with you, I am glad the cameraman got what he did.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:30 PM
Apr 2015

This could change the entire discussion about body cameras, once and for all...(and I hope it does.)

literally millions of people have seen this short film, and read about the lies of the police department, and the cop before this was discovered and shown..

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
152. As it turns out....
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:31 PM
Apr 2015

The reason why the cop was arrested was the video..up till then, his report had been accepted.
And he has prior history of citizen violence.
Worse yet, that Police Dept, has also.

The North Charleston Police Department has a shocking record of abuse allegations

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026476335

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
154. For a God damn car light...thanks for the link. So out of control, it's sickening.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:58 PM
Apr 2015

I hope there are massive lawsuits, they need to bankrupt these cities because they
seem immune otherwise and don't give a shit.

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