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malaise

(269,144 posts)
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:17 AM Apr 2015

The most amazing thing about the 150th anniversary of the end of the American Civil War

lack of coverage from the corporate media and their hacks. They remember every other war every fugging year - why isn't this a major event this week?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121406/civil-war-150th-anniversary-confederacy-defeat-should-be-holiday

It should be a National Holiday and all should re-enact by burning their fugging flag.

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The most amazing thing about the 150th anniversary of the end of the American Civil War (Original Post) malaise Apr 2015 OP
I suppose because a significant part of the country el_bryanto Apr 2015 #1
That's not good enough malaise Apr 2015 #6
I agree it's not good enough el_bryanto Apr 2015 #10
the official war is over, but the unofficial war goes on rurallib Apr 2015 #2
They don't want to offend the crybabies. eShirl Apr 2015 #3
I'd love to head to FR and post a malaise Apr 2015 #7
Do it! eShirl Apr 2015 #8
agreed. you'd think there would be a lot more coverage. cali Apr 2015 #4
Agreed n/t malaise Apr 2015 #5
It is a holiday. It's called Memorial Day. Last Confederate forces surrendered May 30th. n/t ieoeja Apr 2015 #9
Shhh.....a lot of people are still bitter about who won, and behave as if the Civil War never ended. Avalux Apr 2015 #11
LOL malaise Apr 2015 #12
BTW, if you're interested.... Avalux Apr 2015 #13
Freaking wow malaise Apr 2015 #14
My great-grandfather was in the battle. kwassa Apr 2015 #15
Was he edhopper Apr 2015 #19
No, they were out fighting in open farm fields. kwassa Apr 2015 #20
Must have been horrendous. edhopper Apr 2015 #21
and most of Gettysburg is really not dramatic at all. kwassa Apr 2015 #23
yes edhopper Apr 2015 #27
600,000 men died, and the victory was undone in Reconstruction ... kwassa Apr 2015 #28
We haven't evolved much in 150 years, have we? indie9197 Apr 2015 #29
WaPo has done special sections on the war ... kwassa Apr 2015 #16
Thanks malaise Apr 2015 #22
I liked this essay: Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #17
Some students in Florida decided to follow your re-enactment suggestion Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #18
Saw it malaise Apr 2015 #25
The problem is that we are still fighting it. Skidmore Apr 2015 #24
They leave it up to the American people to pick their favorite cosplay. Rex Apr 2015 #26

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. I suppose because a significant part of the country
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:23 AM
Apr 2015

believes that that the wrong side won. The media cowards know that they would have only a few options. They could portray the civil war as it happened, which would upset those invested in the idea that the South were fighting for a noble cause. They could portray it in a "gone with the wind" style, which would naturally be offensive to African Americans and other people with a passing familiarity with history. They can try and do both, which would probably piss off everybody. Or they can duck the issue in a cowardly style.

So what will the media cowards do?

Bryant

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
10. I agree it's not good enough
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:26 AM
Apr 2015

I live in the south and I've regularly heard the argument that the Confederacy was fighting for Freedom against the growing power of the Federal Government. You can throw a monkeywrench in that argument if you ask them "Yes, but the freedom to do what? What specific freedom did they feel that the election of Lincoln would take away?" (They will then do backflips to avoid saying "The Freedom to own other people).

I think allowing the South to believe that the Confederacy was some sort of noble failure or that they were victimized has caused so many problems in this nation that I don't know where to start categorizing them.

But the rotten fruit from that decision is all around us, and part of that is that the media won't talk about the Civil War in an honest and accurate way.

bryant

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. agreed. you'd think there would be a lot more coverage.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:09 AM
Apr 2015

and it should be a holiday. Also a ceremony with the President at the Lincoln Memorial would be great.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
9. It is a holiday. It's called Memorial Day. Last Confederate forces surrendered May 30th. n/t
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:20 AM
Apr 2015

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
11. Shhh.....a lot of people are still bitter about who won, and behave as if the Civil War never ended.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:36 AM
Apr 2015

Their 'sore loser' mentality has been handed down through the generations and it continues to divide this country.

We absolutely should be celebrating the end of that horrific war.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
13. BTW, if you're interested....
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:59 AM
Apr 2015

My great-great-great (not sure how many) grandfather and family lived on a farm in Gettysburg, the Trostle Farm.
Unfortunately, their home ended up being ground zero and they had to flee (as the story goes, they left food on the table). The house was used as a hospital; General Sickles lost his leg there.
When the family returned, they found a huge mess and their orchards were destroyed. They petitioned the government for 8k in damages and never got a penny so they sold it, then packed up and moved north. Very sad.

The house and barn (complete with cannonball holes) are still standing and a popular tourist attraction.

Here are original photos of the house and barn after the battle (July 6, 1863):





How the farm looks now:

http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.com/battlefield-farms/trostle-farm/







kwassa

(23,340 posts)
15. My great-grandfather was in the battle.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:35 PM
Apr 2015

First Maine Cavalry serving as courier for the Pennsylvania Bucktails fighting a retreating action to delay the Confederate forces. First day of the battle.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
20. No, they were out fighting in open farm fields.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

There was no shelter except rail fences.

60-70% casualties, my great-grandfather was the last man on a horse. These were usually the first targets because it was usually commanding officers on horses. Col. Roy Stone was shot out of his saddle partway through the battle.

This delaying action gave time to other Union units to take the high ground, which eventually won them the battle.

From what I can piece together, they retreated through the town of Gettysburg, and up onto Cemetery Ridge. With such high casualties, they went out of action, but the reformed units were the third line of defense at Pickett's Charge, which meant they didn't fight, probably, but saw everything in the final deciding action of the battle.

edhopper

(33,604 posts)
21. Must have been horrendous.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:34 PM
Apr 2015

I visited the battlefield and it is amazing how close it could have gone the other way.

It was very much a "for want of a nail..." situation.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
23. and most of Gettysburg is really not dramatic at all.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:45 PM
Apr 2015

I was surprised Cemetery Ridge was just this little bump in the ground.

Reading Civil War history is really depressing, as many of the battles are decided by really bad leadership that results in massive and stupid death totals. Particularly in the Union army, until they finally got their act together.

edhopper

(33,604 posts)
27. yes
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:12 PM
Apr 2015

The tactics of pre-firearm armies against rifles and canons. Large advances in open fields.
I think re-enactors just sanatize it and try to make the foolhardy noble.

And I can't stand how it is glorified in the South.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
28. 600,000 men died, and the victory was undone in Reconstruction ...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:29 PM
Apr 2015

by the myth of the "Lost Cause" and by legal and extra-legal terrorism that took away the recently-granted rights of black Americans, their disenfranchisement and continued subjugation for the next 100 years. The historical results are still with us.

indie9197

(509 posts)
29. We haven't evolved much in 150 years, have we?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:46 PM
Apr 2015

My great-great grandfather got his leg blown off below the knee at that battle. He was taken prisoner and spent the rest of the war in a floating prison in New York harbor. He made it back to North Carolina after the war and lived a long life. Am pretty sure he didn't enjoy telling war stories.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
16. WaPo has done special sections on the war ...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:40 PM
Apr 2015

The last, on the end of the war, came out about a week ago. There was a very sobering article about how the gains of the war were undone by Reconstruction.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
26. They leave it up to the American people to pick their favorite cosplay.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:49 PM
Apr 2015

Notice how the master of air takes down the ogre, splendid technique.
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