Here's what many traditional Democrats see when they see *the logo*:

[Zorra]

[pnwmom]

1. The logo is an ink blot revealing nothing except what the viewer already thought about HRC.

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. I said that exact same thing ...

In another thread!

[pnwmom]

16. Great minds think alike.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. The logo could have been designed by

BANKSY, during a Warhol/Leary channeling, and it would represent a, clear and obvious, rightwing cypher on DU!

[pnwmom]

40. And don't forget that it's a flagrant trademark steal from Wikileaks.

Because Wikileaks owns arrows, and the color red, and anything pointed to the right.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6497049

[sabrina 1]

63. That's true. Are you saying she isn't more to the right on eg, Foreign Policies and Economics than

Democrats in general? The Left eg, yes, I know the Left isn't exactly welcome in the Dem Party except at election time these days. But they are part of the Dem Party still.

This leftie isn't impressed with Dems moving to the Right. We have a Right party, we need an opposition party. And I'm not all that interested in being bi-partisan with a Party that is so far to the right they are frightening.

[pnwmom]

64. Yes, I am.

www.ontheissues.org

DU isn't representative of Democrats in general. I agree she is more conservative than the typical DUer.

Did you read Paul Krugman's recent article about her?

[cali]

2. this has really reached ridiculous....

who gives a shit?

[brooklynite]

3. And by "many traditional Democrats" you mean "some people who hang out here"?

Do you have the slightest bit of evidence that anyone outside of some bloggers care a bit?

[BainsBane]

7. It shows a disconnection from reality

That people here think they represent the party.

[Katashi_itto]

37. Lolol...Oh the irony of that statement coming from you...

[BainsBane]

4. No, that is not what "traditional Democrats" see

It's what people on the internet who care more about labels than issues see. People who threaten not to vote Democratic if they don't get their way are not "traditional Democrats."

[Zorra]

15. You mean like Reagan Democrats? I'll vote for whoever the Dem nominee is.

Despite how much they may try to make it difficult for me to support them.

[BainsBane]

27. Yeah cause who can deal with arrows pointing rightward

It's a travesty.

Meanwhile, people around the country need jobs, healthcare, and don't want the GOP to strip away their rights to vote, marriage, and control over their own bodies. But you go right on worrying about logos.
It's like you all try to make yourselves politically irrelevant, and guess what? It succeeds. No one cares.

[arcane1]

5. My only issue with the logo is that candidates use them in the first place n/t

[cyberswede]

23. I was just wondering about that...

Aside from a way to depict their name on yard signs/buttons, I was trying to remember when "logos" became de rigeur. I suppose it has to do with all the electronic communication we use nowadays.

Obama had the "O" thing, but I can't think of individual logos for previous election years...

I guess this has a sort of logo, but as part of his whole name, like for a yard sign. His primary competitors didn't have logos, as far as I could find.


No logo:

[arcane1]

28. I suppose it was inevitable, since the trend has been to market vs campaign.

Obama had the first logo that I'm aware of, though there were certainly catch-phrases and slogans long before him.

But now everyone probably has to have a logo. Like flag pins: once someone does it, everyone does

It's disappointing to me because marketing isn't exactly something that inspires trust, even if the product/candidate is honest. The whole point of "branding" is to create an involuntary emotional connection to the brand, not the details of the brand.

Thanks to Citizens United, I expect it to get much, much worse

[Dragonfli]

57. Everything now is corporate and logos are a corporate thing like when the party replaced the donkey

A mascot, with a corporate circle D logo. I imagine the R's will have to change from using a mascot to using a corporate logo as well, I am surprise they were not the first to do it actually.

[arcane1]

58. Oh god, I remember now: They had this "huge special announcement" to make, introducing that stupid D

Repubs are bound to come up with something. If Romney's "toothpaste R" and the sign Rubio released today, we can take comfort in knowing their design teams suck too

[joshcryer]

61. Clinton is also using Obama's messaging team.

Obama took it to new levels, one of the most magnificent media campaigns in history. Even if Clinton wins I don't think it will be nearly as popular and ground breaking. I mean, filling the Mile High Stadium? I do not see Hillary Clinton pulling that off. I'd be shocked.

[arcane1]

62. She's not running against 8 years of Bush like Obama essentially was

It's a different mood now, though I'm not sure what that mood is yet.

[Terra Alta]

6. this logo outrage is getting ridiculous

It's just a logo for crying out loud. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

[Avalux]

8. Seriously? One day in, and the JUDGEMENT throttle is wide open.

It's going to be a LOOONG year and a half, if this much fuss is made over a logo.

[zappaman]

9. Actually, it's not.

But don't let that stop you for beating this non issue into the ground!

[upaloopa]

10. So what? It looks like a road sign.

Is that all you have?

[William769]

11. WOW!

Am I still on Democratic Underground?

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. I suspect ...

Somewhere, there are a group of people with some really good smoke, laughing their butts off ... playing the "who's gonna buy the outrage" game.

(You take as big a hit as you can ... hold it ... then, as you blow it out, you type the most outrageous thing that your smoke aided mind can come up with, that people might be outraged by. You win when the media does a panel discussion on your outrageous outrage.)

[William769]

31. They need to try some other smoke then.

The stuff they got now?

[justiceischeap]

12. You know what would look really stupid? This.

and this

[JaneyVee]

34. OMG I think you nailed it. The logo is all about social media.

That's kinda genius.

[justiceischeap]

35. Of course it's about social media

If you can't and don't use social media effectively, you're kinda screwed in this day and age. I think her time as SoS gave her an incite into the importance of social media (Arab Spring). I think I recall that the State Dept. contacted Twitter to make sure the Egyptian feeds stayed alive so we could get real news out of there.

Hillary Clinton Campaign Kicks Off With Social Media Blitz, Outreach To 2008 Alumni

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton's campaign advisers topped off her presidential announcement rollout Sunday with a conference call for alumni of her 2008 campaign.

"We can't take anything for granted, and we're going to have to fight really hard for every single vote. ... We fully expect this to be a competitive primary," said Robby Mook, Clinton's campaign manager.

Clinton announced her 2016 presidential bid Sunday using a low-key approach that contrasted with the big rallies of the Republican entrants so far, Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

She made her long-anticipated bid official with a tweet and video message Sunday afternoon.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/12/hillary-clinton-2016_n_7051670.html

[justiceischeap]

38. Just to say as a designer... and web developer

that if you point the arrow the other direction and use that logo for social media, it looks like the arrow is "running away" from what the message is.

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. When a conservative is standing to her left,

it could actually mean "I'm with stupid"

[KittyWampus]

20. LOL. Thread Win.

[mcar]

17. I'm a traditional Democrat and I see nothing of the sort

You don't speak for "traditional" democrats, just yourself.

[Bobbie Jo]

48. This traditional Democrat agrees with you.

There's no there, there.

This logopalooza is getting silly.

[mcar]

49. Logopalooza, hairgate, attractive photo "scandal"

One day in and DU is wallowing in sexism and right-wing talking points because a woman is running for president.

[leftofcool]

18. Looks like I am going to have to start trashing logo threads.

This is beyond ridiculous.

[HereSince1628]

19. Yep something like this:

[Zorra]

22. Much better! nt

[onenote]

21. If you think your OP makes you look brilliant

You're mistaken

[HereSince1628]

24. sadly a touch too ad hominem

It's more effective to work against the "ideas" not the posters.

Unless you've got nothing but an ad hominem... facing an absence of something thoughtful...then by all means go with attacking the poster.

[Zorra]

26. Actually, I'm being fundamental, using signs to explain

why some people are viscerally turned off by Hiillary's logo.

A lot of folks don't like the logo. Instead of accusing them of being malicious, wouldn't it be better to try to understand why so many people are clearly turned off by the logo?

[NanceGreggs]

36. "Wouldn't it be better to try to understand ...

... why so many people are clearly turned off by the logo?"

Why is it necessary to "understand" people who don't like a logo, and why they are freaking out about it?

Perhaps DU needs a "Poor Misunderstood Folks Turned-Off by a Logo" group, so that this burning issue can be discussed more fully.

[OilemFirchen]

47. "Some people" are simply pissed that it's better than THEIR logo:

[BainsBane]

53. I think you're onto something there

[Paper Roses]

30. OK, so it's just a logo. Ad agencies get paid big $$ for this. My opinion?

I am a Hillary supporter. I also believe that things like Logo's should bring pleasant thoughts.

This logo is -hard-. It is not warm and fuzzy. I know this sounds silly but things like this need to bring positive thoughts. Maybe not kittens or babies, just things that make us comfortable.

This old timer feels that the logo, which will appear everywhere, need to be less rigid.
My thoughts only.

[procon]

32. In defining the word "many", are you using the Fox News definition? nt

[hrmjustin]

33. This is ridiculous and foolish. You just want to see this!

[Zorra]

41. ...yay

[hrmjustin]

46. whatever.

[BainsBane]

54. Kurt Cobain endorses Hillary from beyond the grave

Clinton truly is all powerful.

[sadoldgirl]

39. Actually, I don't care one way or the other,

but when I saw it for the first time, I cracked up!

There was the H on the blue pyramids with the red arrow
pointing to the right like a street sign. I thought that HRC
must have chosen this with subconscious honesty.

A forward arrow shows diagonally into the future, and
if the arrow had been green on a purple background, it
could have been a good symbol.

As I said, it does not make any difference whatshowever.

[Skidmore]

42. Who, pray tell, is a "traditional" Democrat and

how many are there?

[Kingofalldems]

43. I just see a logo.

BTW, if you are standing behind the logo,or wearing a pin with the logo, the arrow points to the left.

[pnwmom]

45. Excellent point! nt

[RiffRandell]

44. Not this one. nt

[LiberalElite]

50. My theory: It has to go right - it can't go left.

Why? Because English is read left to right. Separate the H/arrow from the rest of the slogan and it's open to all kinds of faulty and fanciful interpretation. The entire slogan is: the H/arrow points to "Hillary for America". It isn't all that complicated.

[matt819]

51. Oh, FFS

Can we just stop the logo nonsense? It's childish and meaningless.

[Kelvin Mace]

52. Your wasting your breath

The HRC supporters are going to back her until she shivs them, and then they'll keep right on backing her because they will never be able to admit they were wrong.

[BainsBane]

55. And what will you be doing?

besides trying to defeat her?

[Kelvin Mace]

60. I have zero money and zero resources

and she will win in a walk.

[840high]

59. .....

[workinclasszero]

56. Oh FFS

Zero ***** were given.

[rainmaker21]

65. I saw that too.

It also is reminiscent of a hospital sign meaning we need medical aid and has a red arrow which subliminally means Republican heading right. Not a smart choice for a logo.Should of gone Blue and refreshing looking if she wants to hold the left.