Dr. Oz Responds to Anti-Labeling GMO Critics: Label Our Food! We Won't Be Silenced!

[sabrina 1]

'Pro Industry Science'. From Mother Jones Article linked below

Well, they are at it again, the anti GMO labeling crowd.

The current group of doctors who attacked Dr. Oz, have ties to Conservative Think Tanks, and to groups with ties to Corporations like Monsanto which is documented below.

They work so hard to deny Americans the RIGHT to know what they are eating.

Their target this time is Dr. Oz who has dared to join the large and growing number of Americans who want their food LABELED.

This time ten of them, all doctors, wrote a letter to Colombia, where Dr. Oz is vice-chairman of Columbia’s surgery department, attempting to get him fired from his position.

One of those doctors, Dr. Ross, according to Mother Jones was convicted of defrauding NY States Medicaid Program of approximately $8 Million Dollars:

But more about that later ...

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Accusations included the usual rhetoric from those who would deny Americans the same rights granted to citizens in most civilized nations, childish attacks etc. that we have come to expect from the anti food labeling contingency.

Columbia University, apparently, unlike this Conservative Group of Doctors, is aware of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution replied stands by Dr. Oz:

Columbia University is committed to the principle of academic freedom and to upholding faculty members’ freedom of expression for statements they make in public discussion”.

So, let's take a look at the critics, who are they and who are they affiliated with, and what possible conflicts of interest might they have.

I have a feeling if we look deeply enough we might find the Kochs and Monsanto somewhere in the background!

Dr. Oz - We Will Not Be Silenced

Meet the Critics:

Both Miller and Swogger have previously been associated with the American Council on Science and Health (ACSH), a nonprofit advocacy organization. The ACSH has been known to advocate on behalf of issues like GMOs and fracking. While neither belongs to ACSH at the moment, two other doctors who have signed the letter, Gilbert Ross and Jack Fisher, do. According to the letter, Ross is currently the acting president and executive director of the ACSH. Fisher belongs to the ACSH board of directors.


ACSH’s donors include Monsanto, according to a Mother Jones report. Lief told the Guardian that the organization does not disclose who it deals with and who its supporters are.

“We do routinely support groups working to advance science and agriculture,” a Monsanto spokeswoman told the Guardian. “For example, over the years we have provided modest grants to the American Council on Science and Health to sponsor specific projects such as the recent GMO publications that were prepared and edited by recognized subject experts.”

Ross himself isn’t without controversy, having previously served all of 1996 in a federal prison camp for participating in a Medicaid scam.

ACSH, note the generic name of this 'non-profit'. There are so many of them, Corporate funded, refusing to reveal their donors. According to MJ, it was started back in 1978 to opposed Enviromentalists. Conservative, anti science themselves, it is ironic that they accuse anyone else of being anti-science.

Mother Jones does a little digging into who these people are:

American Council on Science and Health - ACSH - Leaked Documents Reveal the Secret Finances of a Pro-Industry Science Group

Got that?? A 'PRO INDUSTRY SCIENCE GROUP'!

The American Council on Science and Health bills itself as an independent research and advocacy organization devoted to debunking "junk science." It's a controversial outfit—a "group of scientists…concerned that many important public policies related to health and the environment did not have a sound scientific basis," it says—that often does battle with environmentalists and consumer safety advocates, wading into public health debates to defend fracking, to fight New York City's attempt to ban big sugary sodas, and to dismiss concerns about the potential harms of the chemical bisphenol-A (better known at BPA) and the pesticide atrazine. The group insists that its conclusions are driven purely by science. It acknowledges that it receives some financial support from corporations and industry groups, but ACSH, which reportedly stopped disclosing its corporate donors two decades ago, maintains that these contributions don't influence its work and agenda.

Yet internal financial documents (read them here) provided to Mother Jones show that ACSH depends heavily on funding from corporations that have a financial stake in the scientific debates it aims to shape. The group also directly solicits donations from these industry sources around specific issues. ACSH's financial links to corporations involved in hot-button health and safety controversies have been highlighted in the past, but these documents offer a more extensive accounting of ACSH's reliance on industry money—giving a rare window into the operations of a prominent and frequent defender of industry in the science wars.

So, who should we believe, a bunch of Conservatives with connections to Monsanto, Pro Fracking Corp, who are affiliated with Corporate Funded 'Science' groups, one of whom was convicted of defrauding NY State's Medicaid Program of approximately $8 Million Dollars, a convicted felon who spent several years in jail for his crimes, lost his medical license (now reinstated)

Or

Dr Oz who agrees with nearly 90% of the American public that our food should be labeled. That's an easy decision to make.

From the above linked article above:

Calling for GMO labels is not a controversial stance, Christopher Miller, social mission activism manager at Ben and Jerry’s, told the Guardian.

“Public opinion polls find that upwards of 90% of Americans support mandatory labeling. Sixty-four other countries around the world require GMO foods to be labeled. It’s not complicated or controversial,” he said.

I'm with Dr. Oz, Ben and Jerry on this!

LABEL OUR FOOD! GO DR OZ!

[SidDithers]

1. Dr. Oz. LOL...

America's Quack.



Sid

[darkangel218]

2. SidDithers..

I came back on DU full time not long ago. But all I see is is

from you.

Care to expand your views beyond posting emoticons?

[sabrina 1]

6. Well, it will be difficult for anyone to try to defend this bunch of Conservative Monsanto Funded

critics of Dr. Oz for demanding what 90% of Americans want.

I can't believe they are so stupid. To try to get someone FIRED to protect their Corporate buddies' interests, THEN have the gall to claim that HE has a 'conflict of interest'!

indeed!

Welcome back btw!

[darkangel218]

12. Apparently i need glasses

I thought your post was from SIdDithers



Thanks. And keep up the good work, Sabrina!! X

[sabrina 1]

14. It must have been the little laughing guy on the floor!

You too, DA!

[snooper2]

344. Dr Oz on his pseudoscience: "I sell hope"

Published on Jun 28, 2014
June 17, 2014: Dr. Oz faced a Senate panel on Capitol Hill to boldly admit he peddles pseudoscience in the form of the evidence void that makes up his many bogus "miracle" fat busting, burning, zapping, zinging scams.


Idiot "dr." in front of Senate Panel

[beam me up scottie]

360. Thanks for posting that.

I linked to an article about the epic smack-down he received from Sen. McCaskill down-thread but I doubt the op will read it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6553098

[BainsBane]

572. I bought that green coffee crap because of him

Total waste of money.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

290. It is telling that that poster has decided not to respond to you. Expand his views? Pfffft! This ->

...is as deep as it gets.

[sabrina 1]

292. Oh yes, very telling indeed. There is an old saying 'silence is consent'. So that's how I take it

when someone does everything they can to avoid answering a simple question.

We need to know who our allies are in the fight against Corporate Control of our government. I think that is very important.

[snooper2]

342. The ROFL is the happy part of the spirit world

[pintobean]

587. "I came back on DU full time not long ago."

Because you're suspended at DI. Before that suspension, you've stated several times that you were done with DU.
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=profile&uid=100299

[sabrina 1]

3. Dr Ross, convicted felon, stealing from Medicaid, convict, Conservative hypocrite. But what else is

new when it comes to Republicans?

Imagine a convicted THIEF who lost his medical license for stealing from Medicaid, having the gall to attack another Dr. who to my knowledge never lost his medical license.

Those Conservatives, they have zero self awareness!

[SidDithers]

11. Are you seriously promoting and defending Dr Oz?...

I just want to make sure I understand your position before I spend any time writing a detailed post.

Sid

[darkangel218]

15. A detailed post?

Like what, two

?

[sabrina 1]

293. Lol! That emoticon says it all! n/t

[Joe Worker]

302. Dr. Oz Rocks!

Its my firm belief that hydrogenated vegetable oils (GMO and Non GMO) are behind the obesity and heart disease crisis. The FDA is corrupt to the core with industry hacks and their GOP enablers.

I am sure the Doc would agree with me.

[sabrina 1]

303. Corporations OWN this country. Dr Oz took them on regarding GMOs and they can't take any criticism

because they have so much to hide. See this thread, on a DEM FORUM. I cannot get them to answer a simple question. The attempt to derail and obfuscate only makes ME and others more certain that they cannot stand up to scrutiny.

They think if they BULLY people, they will slink away. I knew what to expect when I posted this OP

Dr OZ and anyone who speaks out on this issue, deserves our support because the fact is they are putting themselves on the line when they dare to make a simple request, just let the PEOPLE decide.

The fact that the doctors who wrote this letter are all Conservatives affiliated with Think Tanks funded by Monsanto and other Corporations, needed to be revealed.

They treat the American people as if they were idiots. I, like Dr Oz, will not be intimidated by their stupid attempts to divert attention from the issue.

They are running scared as more and more countries are banning their poisonous products. Desperation is what I see.

Welcome to DU.

[Joe Worker]

310. We have posted together

in the past on a different site. You haven't changed a bit and that's a good thing!

[SidDithers]

319. Corporations own Dr. Oz...nt

Sid

[CanSocDem]

322. Corporations own Sid.

.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

323. And here is the corporate logo ...

[sabrina 1]

333. Monsanto owns Dr Oz? When they have to turn to a convicted felon like Dr. Ross to try to silence

people like Oz for exercising his right to speak his mind in this country, a disgraced doctor, convicted of fraud no less, and robbing from the poor to enrich himself, they really are getting desperate.

But it's encouraging to see that people in this country value their right to free speech and their efforts, childish efforts, failed.

Worse for them, it exposed to the public the lengths they will go to to keep the American people under their control.

[SidDithers]

335. Christ on a trailer hitch...

Do you intentionally misread what people post, or are you incapable of reading without adding your own interpretation?


Did I say Monsanto owns Dr Oz?



There are other corporations in the world, sabrina.

Sid

[sabrina 1]

336. Corporations own the media. Which means every one who has a show on the Corporate media

is in the same position.

So how is Dr Oz different in that regard?

You aren't making any sense and my point was, maybe too subtle, that at least he isn't owned by Monsanto.

[beam me up scottie]

369. So you admit Oz is a corporate media whore and a shill for Big Woo.

Why are we supposed to trust him again?

Because he's doing it for the love of humanity, right?

And the children.

And Michelle.


Wow, looks like his pr firm targeted the right demographic.

Unbelievably gullible and scientifically illiterate Americans who believe homeopathic remedies actually work.


Ka-CHING!


He's laughing at you all the way to the bank.

Could it be Sid's not the one on a corporate payroll?

[sabrina 1]

494. Everyone who is on the Corporate Media is in the same position as he is. He is NOT a shill

for Monsanto, and that is the topic you are working so very hard to distract from, not very successfully.

90% of Americans agree with him. Can't say Monsanto's bullying tactics have changed any minds, in fact the more they try to bully people, the more people turn against them.

So my opinion is, let them keep up the good work. They are only harming themselves, see how they are being banned and labeled now all over the world.

[misterhighwasted]

503. Love your fight sabrina1. You are absolutely right. How anyone sides with the RW corporate criminals

..is astonishing. There has been endless reports out about the damage of GMOs. From our bees, butterflies, & seeds so modified that they cannot be reproduced from seed collection, to loss of flavor.

And some here are so ignorant to the harm that's been done in the name of profit.
Monsanto is made up of liars, lawyers and criminals.

They don't give a shit about much else but the bottom line and the over bloated egos of their investors.

I hope Dr Oz uses every platform he has to make his case in the Monsanto criminals push to shut him up & discredit him.
In this case, Dr Oz is absolutely correct & his following will only increase in size & support, the more the depth of deceit with Monsanto/GMO is shown.


I'd rather stand on the side of Dr Oz, than embarrassingly support the crooked lying Monsanto poison.

Kudos to Oz.

[sabrina 1]

594. Thanks mrhighwaisted! Couldn't agree more. Not impressed with all the diversionary tactics

with not a single substantive argument addressing the actual issue. Screaming about the messenger makes me laugh. It's such an old worn out attempt to avoid the issue.

I love these threads, hectic, busy,funny as hell, but most of all they keep the OP, which is my main goal, visible for people to read. And with thousands of views, all I can do is thank those who are running around the thread making that possible.

Monsanto lies, they have now been proven to be liars, about Roundup eg. And with the latest from the WHO, more countries are going to be banning their products.

But even if I wasn't concerned about their products too much, the very fact that they are working so hard to DENY Americans a basic right, would piss me off all by itself.

They've been forced to label their GMOs now in over 60 countries

They are ruthless, bullies, deceptive, and a threat to our democracy.

And yes, good for Dr. Oz for using his microphone to expose them.

They would have been better off ignoring him, because now, millions of people who didn't much about their deceptive tactics, using paid shills etc, know now.

[misterhighwasted]

600. + 10000 This ^ They exposed their stench to millions more

Dr Oz has every right to stand up to them. And used the power of the mass media to do so.
I applaude his fight loudly & proudly!

[mimi85]

462. I agree with much of what you say, yet

I cannot stand Dr. Oz (appropriate name btw). Throw Dr. Phil in there as well. I believe he is a total quack and just in it for the dinero. Sorry.

[beam me up scottie]

489. Argh. Dr. Phil is another one of Oprah's gifts...

You're right, they're all in it for the money, that's what makes the claims of science-based medicine "shills" so ridiculous.

There's billions of $ to be made from peddling alternative cures. The snake oil salesmen aren't doing it because they're humanitarians.

[Joe Worker]

535. I havent really watched him all that much (Oz)

except for a handful of youtube vids.

There is one side of the issue where I think he might be correct though........Our healthcare system has been rigged By Eli Lilly, Merck, Astra Zenica etc. whose bribery and corruption (they like to re-label their corruption) reaches far into the FDA and other branches of the Federal Government. (for profit Healthcare and its inherent dark side)

Dr. Phil has never been one of my idols either.

[sabrina 1]

17. Are you seriously defending a Republican, Corporate shill, FELON who defrauded Medicaid

and spend years in jail, who is demanding that Americans not know what is in their food?

Oh, and YES to your question, I support Dr Oz and 90% of the American people to have their food labeled.

He never lost HIS medical license for one thing, did he?

I just want to know, are YOU seriously using this convicted Conservative Medicaid Fraudster as a 'reliable source' for your attempts to stop Americans from knowing what is in their food?

Are you SERIOUS?

[darkangel218]

19. Whatever pushes their cause.

[sabrina 1]

24. Amazing, isn't it? A bunch of Republicans with ties to Monsanto over a liberal TV doctor who

is simply asking that Americans have the right to know what they are eating.

I have to say though, all that money Monsanto and the Kochs spend is even influencing good people on the Left. Many are afraid to speak out against their nastiness.

Not me, they more they try to bully Americans, the more they need to be exposed along with those who support them.

[darkangel218]

27. And they are being exposed.

Fewer and fewer people are buying their Monsanto peddling propaganda. People want to know what they're buying, what they're ingesting. People are asking for transparency.
Monsanto and their shills have their "work" cut out for them.

[sabrina 1]

71. Yes, they are being exposed.

[PeaceNikki]

34. Dr Oz is an active Republican

http://hollowverse.com/mehmet-oz/

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/magazine/18Oz-t.html?referrer=&_r=0

http://www.nationalreviewofmedicine.com/issue/interview/2008/5_interview_06.html

[darkangel218]

40. And??? look at the posters here defending Monsanto!!

[PeaceNikki]

45. And I was replying to a comment that he's "liberal doctor".

That's inaccurate.

[sabrina 1]

193. Funny, how hung up you are on a word, while ignoring the Anti Labeling Corporate Right Wing Doctors,

one of whom is a Convicted Felon, who DEFRAUDED NY State's Medicaid Program out of $8 Million dollars, who has the gall to call another doctor a 'fraud' for DARING to say that Americans have a RIGHT like 64 other countries, to have their food Labeled.

Why have you not stated where you stand on the main issue here?

Are you with these Conservative Corporate Shills, or with Dr. Oz who IS liberal on many isues and yes, Republicans can be liberal. In fact it appears that Dr. Oz is way more Liberal than most of the pro Monsanto posters who rushed to this thread to drop their childish comments in support of the Right Wingers who are opposed to Americans having the basic right to know what is in their food.

[PeaceNikki]

196. I am not ignoring, I just don't want to discuss it with you. He's not a liberal, as my links support

[sabrina 1]

205. You have ignored a ton of information on those doctors who tried to silence Dr Oz on GMO labeling.

All of them are Right Wing shills for Corporations. Colombia University has backed Dr. Oz against them. People like the First Lady obviously agree with Dr. Oz that the food we eat is important and that obesity needs to be addressed.

Instead you found one comment out of nearly 200 and zeroed in a word. Dr Oz is very liberal on many of the issues that Democrats supposedly support, though looking at this thread I am wondering if I wandered into the wrong forum.

That tells a lot about where you stand. Eg, you have not stated whether or not you think Americans have the right to have their food labeled, like the other 64 civilized nations whose governments have NOT denied them that basic right.

So let me ask you what relates to the topic of the OP, do Americans have the right to know what foods are GMOs so they can make decisions themselves, rather than Corporations like Monsanto making those decisions for them?

Dr Oz is more liberal than many of the posters in this thread, not just on the issue of GMOs but on many others also. And yes, Republicans can be liberal, on many issues. Teddy Roosevelt, eg. More liberal than many of our current democrats on Social and Environmental issues eg.

[BainsBane]

547. Sabrina, Would you consider that it's possible

for Oz to be right about GMO labeling (because why not label regardless) but also be peddling quack diet cures? Here's the deal with his diet stuff. There is a new miracle way to loose weight all the time that he promotes. Only none of them really work anymore than doing what we all know we're supposed to do to lose weight.

Why is it that a person has to 100 percent right, above reproach, or all bad? People can be right on some things and wrong on others. It doesn't seem like that possibility occurs to you. Seems like it you like someone, Oz, Assange, whoever, you refuse under any circumstances to consider any criticism of them. Why is that?

I personally feel that's a very problematic view of looking at things. Isn't the more important issue GMO labeling and not sanctifying Dr. Oz? Don't you think he and NBC (or whatever network he is on), can take care of themselves?

BTW, the legal provision guiding Columbia's actions is not the First Amendment but Oz's tenure contract. If Oz were fired, his recourse would be a civil suit for breach of contract. Columbia is not the US government. While tenure protects free speech, it isn't bound by the First Amendment.

[sabrina 1]

551. Of course they can be right or wrong about different things. He's right about this. I think you need

to direct this excellent post to the half dozen or so here who don't agree with that.

Obviously they think that if someone is wrong about something, and I know very little about most talk shows, I don't waste time watching the corporate media, they can't be right about something else. That is THEIR position, not mine.

And in taking that position, they defend Monsanto by doing their work for them. Rather than focusing on the issue, which is a BIG ISSUE in this country.

It may be that they support Monsanto, that is the impression their actions in this thread say to me. Which is fine, that is their right. Or they hate Oz so much they would defend unwittingly perhaps one of the most hated Corporations in the world, and for good reason.

He stood up to a giant Corporation that is known for their brutal tactics against anyone who does so.

I am not defending Dr. Oz as a person, I am defending the message he delivered using that microphone we do not have.

Dr Oz is no threat to this country. Monsanto is. If he is selling something, I don't have to buy it, no one does.

But we have no choice not to buy what Monsanto is selling. That is the difference. No choice, that is not acceptable to, now, 90% of Americans.

And yet they are being ignored. Monsanto is preparing more legislation for this country, which will have the potential to over ride the laws we already have, regarding labeling.

As for Colombia, I can only go by their official statement and the statement of many of his long time colleagues, even some who don't agree with whatever he does on his show, that he is an excellent surgeon, which is why he held the position. And that the issue is freedom of speech in the view of the administration.

If Monsanto succeeds in getting him fired, that will bring even more negative attention to them, and may end up being the straw that breaks the camel's back for them.

Like it or not he is a popular figure with a following. Maybe Monsanto should just label their food as the American want, and end their need to spend so much time trying to silence people.

[BainsBane]

552. I think chances are close to nil of his being fired

But the university could replace him as Chair of Surgery in a heartbeat, if they want to. Evidently they don't feel his show biz activities interfere with his academic responsibilities.

Though do you not think it is possible that some people who have issues with him might not be in Monsanto's pocket and they could just have problems with some of his actions? Seems to me accusing DUers of doing Monsanto's bidding because they don't like a TV personality is a bit much.

[zappaman]

554. Or maybe...

We hate democracy.

[BainsBane]

560. That goes without saying.

[zappaman]

561. You think I'm kidding?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6556767

[BainsBane]

562. Damn

I'm going to have to clear out my ignore list so I don't miss the good stuff.

[beam me up scottie]

559. You haven't even bothered to read any of the responses in your thread.

You couldn't have if that's your takeaway from all of this.

So much wrong with your post...

Obviously they think that if someone is wrong about something, and I know very little about most talk shows, I don't waste time watching the corporate media, they can't be right about something else. That is THEIR position, not mine.

Nobody took that position. That's your straw man.

And in taking that position, they defend Monsanto by doing their work for them.

Bullshit. Criticizing Oz is not defending Monsanto.

It may be that they support Monsanto, that is the impression their actions in this thread say to me. Which is fine, that is their right.

Your impression is wrong. There is nothing in this thread that even comes close to support for Monsanto.

I am not defending Dr. Oz as a person

Yes you are, you spent the first half of this thread extolling his virtues and smearing fellow DUers. You called him a liberal Republican and us conservative Democrats. All because we don't like Oz's advocacy of woo.

Dr Oz is no threat to this country

He's a threat to everyone who believes the idiotic "experts" on his show - including one who claims GMOs cause autism.

Presenting alternatives to science-based medicine as if they are proven to be safe and effective is dangerous. And that's what most of us took issue with.

It's also why he's being called out, not because of GMO labeling. It's very disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise.

If Monsanto succeeds in getting him fired

Monsanto is not behind the letter, this has been coming for a long time, many doctors have spoken out about him, and you have yet to prove any of them did so on Monsanto's behalf.

Oz was called before Congress to answer for advocating dangerous and unproven dietary supplements, not GMO labeling.

No one is trying to "silence" him either, he made that up to gin up support among his fans.



If you had posted a pro-GMO labeling thread I would have stayed out of it. What you did was champion a very dangerous quack and when others called you on it you went into attack mode.

THAT is why I stayed in for so long and finally ended up on Neil deGrasse Tyson's side.

So congratulations, your hyperbole and personal attacks turned a potential ally into an opponent.

[beam me up scottie]

85. Point out those posts.

I'll wait until you're done hyperventilating.

[darkangel218]

89. Lol! im not "hyperventilating". Why are you posting lies??

On what basis are you saying I was "hyperventilating"???

[sabrina 1]

126. Dr Oz loves Michelle Obama:

She and he agree on what some here are calling 'quackery'. I guess to them, she is also a 'quack'.

She's been on his show a few times, promoting what the Conservative, Monstanto, GMO anti labelers call 'quackery'. You know, eating healthy food and exercising.

[PeaceNikki]

131. Perhaps, but he gives money to Republicans and identifies as one.

Go to the links. It's his own words.

[beam me up scottie]

146. You really don't get logic, do you?

Poster proves Dr. Oz is a Republican quack, therefore poster hates Michelle Obama.

[NuclearDem]

190. REPUBLICANS EAT SHIT ARGLE BARGLE

Uh, Dr. Oz is a Republican.

WHY DO YOU HATE MICHELLE OBAMA ARGLE BARGLE

[Throd]

192. They eat GMS!

[beam me up scottie]

195. *Posts picture of Dr. Oz dancing with cute children*

WHO DO YOU HATE CUTE CHILDREN SID???

[PeaceNikki]

199. I literally snorted out loud

SOL

[sabrina 1]

207. You snorted out load at the First Lady? Wow!

So you don't agree with her that the food we eat is very important, okay, I didn't know where you stood since you wandered off the topic of the OP.

[PeaceNikki]

209. No, I snorted at the funny thing that bmus wrote.

[sabrina 1]

214. So do you support Monsanto dictating to the American people, 90% of whom want their foods labeled,

see OP for source on that, that they do not have that right?

Why am I having such a hard time getting people on a Dem forum to say where they stand on this?

[PeaceNikki]

216. Maybe it's your approach.

Just thinking out loud here.

Maybe.

[sabrina 1]

291. Really? I was thinking the same thing about your approach. It struck me that you focused on a non

issue, and I wondered why? For me, something is either right or wrong and I find the 'approach' of Conservative Doctors lying about their 'neutrality' overcomes any personal opinions I might have of anonymous people on the internet.

The issue is so important to Democrats I personally have found myself agreeing with people I normally avoid due to THEIR 'approach' on other issues. On this, I find it impossible to side, even subtly, with Right Wing Corporate hypocrites such as Dr Ross, a Right Wing Corporate Shill, and a hypocritical felon who was convicted of fraud for ripping off Medicaid in NY State.

So, what I'm getting from your comment is that a Right Wing Hypocritical Felon's 'approach' is less offensive to you than that of another DUer who has zero convictions for fraud and who supposedly, one would think, is basically on the Left side of the issues, unlike this Felonious Right Wing Corporate Shill.

I'm trying to process this. Maybe you can help me sort it out?

Eg, you still haven't stated your position on Mosanto dictating to the American people, 90% of whom WANT their food labeled. So I guess I am free now to assume you agree with Monsanto?

[PeaceNikki]

318. You're going to assume whatever you want with or without my permission. I explained that I don't

want to discuss it with you and nothing on this site or in my life compels me to do so.

Your approach is brute force hilarity. It's been explained to you repeatedly that Dr Oz is both a quack and, yes, a Republican. It's entirely possible that one can acknowledge this and not be a right wing corporate shill, but you fail to see that. As such, having an actual discussion with you on the topic is an exercise on futility. You can continue to call those who don't explicitly agree with you and choose not to sign with a nutbag republican like Oz at face value or you can continue to passively aggressively call them names. I am clearly not going to stop you.

But it's fun to watch, so please carry on.

Also, I must have missed the announcement of your new position as the president of the Michelle Obama fan club. So, congrats on that!

[marym625]

324. I'm very curious as to your stand on labeling food that uses GMO.

Regardless of what Dr Oz is or isn't, the point of the mother Jones article is the food should be labeled.

[PeaceNikki]

327. Really? Why do you care what I think?

I think part of the push by some to force one to take a hardline stance is to set them up for ridicule as the OP and another who has been locked out has done repeatedly in this thread. And that's but turned on her.

Despite what they and perhaps others think, where one stands on GMO labeling is not a litmus test for being a Democrat or a liberal. I don't recall it being mentioned anywhere in the party platform . Do you?

All of that aside, if one wants to have a serious and adult conversation on a topic, it's generally not advisable to use a well-known whackjob as their mouthpiece on the topic and insist that anyone who criticizes said whackjob is a corporate shill.

[beam me up scottie]

210. I think I just peed my pants a little.

You should charge for this stuff.

[sabrina 1]

501. Charge? For you 'peeing in your pants'? I doubt that would be very profitable!

[beam me up scottie]

509. "You snorted out load at the First Lady? Wow!"

Pure comedy gold.

We're going to be laughing about this thread for years.

[zappaman]

511. "Liberal doctor"

[beam me up scottie]

513. One of those "liberal" Republicans.

He promotes woo because it's the right thing to do.

It's a tough job making millions off of gullible fools, but someone has to do it.

Seriously, why are you so upset?

[PeaceNikki]

517. .

[PeaceNikki]

512. we shall never forget the day that our angel was silenced. "Just like they silenced Kevin Trudeau."

[beam me up scottie]

514. Someone needs to use the meme generator to memorialize this occasion.

[PeaceNikki]

520. One more.

[Kali]

537. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[hrmjustin]

548. LMFAO! i needed a good laugh.

[PeaceNikki]

519. .

[PeaceNikki]

521. .

[beam me up scottie]

527. I love this place.

This thread just gets better all the time.

[sabrina 1]

225. Poster tried to avoid the issue by focusing on a non issue. Logically that tells me poster doesn't

want to state where they stand on the issue of Corporations and their shills, see those ten doctors, dictating to the American people about their right to know what food they are eating. Not to worry, it's an old internet trick, though very transparent and not very effective.

You eg, are trying to do the same thing. Why would you not want to answer what is a slam dunk answer for any Democrat and many Liberal Republicans?

Could it be that we have dems who support these Corporations and their power over our lives? Could be, I suppose. After all there are such things as Conservative Democrats, just as there are Liberal Republicans.

[beam me up scottie]

227. "Logically"?

[sabrina 1]

304. So where do you stand on the labeling of GMOs? I might have missed it, but I've asked

several times and so far I don't see a response?

[beam me up scottie]

305. Maybe you could ask Dr. Oz's medium.

Or you could check your previous posts to me.

You already decided where I stand, remember?


I hear they have good homeopathic remedies for memory lapses.

[sabrina 1]

307. Just link to your response. You have the ability to speak for yourself on whether or not Americans

have the right and the intelligence to decide what they want to feed their families, which they can do IF the food is labeled.

Democrats have traditionally supported their right to this simple demand which 64 other countries already have.

Why don't you stop trying so hard to evade the question. Is there a reason why you don't want to answer?

[beam me up scottie]

308. Sorry, your attempt to portray a rich lying quack as the victim is an insult to my intelligence.

The collection of hyperbolic overreactions, idiotic accusations, logical fallacies and repeated attempts to malign DUers in this thread just made it worse.

In fact it appears that Dr. Oz is way more Liberal than most of the pro Monsanto posters who rushed to this thread to drop their childish comments in support of the Right Wingers who are opposed to Americans having the basic right to know what is in their food.

Oops, did I say sorry?

Cuz I'm really not.

Not for that lying charlatan Oz and not for you.

I despise quacks because they hurt people. And I find their liberal apologists to be even more vile. You can be for GMO labeling without supporting a despicable Republican pseudo-scientific shill.



I like to think you get back from DU what you put in.


And you sure got what you deserved in this thread.

[sabrina 1]

309. I am loving this thread. It has accomplished way more than I had expected. Now back to where you

stand on the issue of the right of Americans to decide what to feed their families. Do you support labeling of GMOs as 90% of Americans want or not?

Btw, thanks for keeping this thread kicked!

[beam me up scottie]

311. I support Dr. Oz losing his job because he's a shill for pseudo-science.

And I think his cult followers are morons who are unable to discuss anything having to do with science intelligently.

When I want to learn something about science, or even just listen to stimulating conversation, I don't watch Oz's show.

So why would I engage his fans on DU?

It's like talking to a parrot on steroids.

GMO CORPORATIONS RIGHT WING SHILLS MONSANTO WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED *SQUAWK*

Absolutely nothing of substance. Just intellectual dishonesty. Oz is being called out for far more than his opinions on GMO labeling, but you pretend this is about freedom of speech and the fascists who want to silence your hero.

And anyone who disagrees with you about him is the enemy.


You're the bully.




And you bet I'll keep this thread kicked, I've had pms telling me this is all kinds of awesome, but not for the reasons you think.

[sabrina 1]

337. Asking someone for their opinion is 'bullying'? Funny, I never felt bullied when someone asked me

a question.

You should see MY email! It IS awesome so keep on kicking it, please.

It is one of the most revealing threads I've seen on DU for a long time.

Btw, Dr. Oz will be responding to Monsanto's 'Conservative' Doctors on his Show this week. I wonder will any of them have the guts to appear on the show and explain why they are attempting to deny the American People their right to know what is in their food?

I'm betting they will not appear before the public. It would be a disaster for them considering that 90% of the public agree with Dr. Oz on this.

[beam me up scottie]

348. No, repeatedly lying about people's motives because they disagree with you is.

The "90%" are fooled by the hyperbole and scare tactics used by anti-science liars. It's the same tactic used by Republicans to frighten people into voting for them.

Terra! Terra! Terra!

ZOMGMOs We're all gonna die!!!


Sorry sabrina, science is NOT a democracy, no matter how much you want it to be. It's about facts, not faith in charlatans.



Judging from the lack of support in this thread it seems your effort to rally the troops failed.

Most likely they've read about Oz and decided that the Republican snake oil salesman isn't worth fighting for.

[zappaman]

350. Stop hating Michele Obama!

I never thought I'd see a Democratic First Lady hated on a Democratic website!!!

[beam me up scottie]

352. Why do you hate transparency?

It's because you've got something to hide, isn't it?

What are you not telling us about those modified plant-humans in your basement?

Inquiring minds...

[zappaman]

355. Ya got me

[beam me up scottie]

358. I KNEW IT!!

I was right about all of you people.

Evil scientists, Monsanto shills, closet Republicans, haterz gonna hate!

You're just not special enough to understand what 90% of Amurka knows about science.

[sabrina 1]

557. Could you please learn to spell the First Lady's name correctly. I have already

corrected your wrong spelling before. At least Democrats should know how to spell her name. Wrong spelling is a sign of disrespect and on this forum one would think everyone knows how to spell the First Lady's name by now.

[zappaman]

558. It's hard cuz I hate her so much!

Seriously, I'll get the spelling right before you figure out how liberal the "liberal doctor Oz" is!



By the way, thank you again for the greatest thread of 2015.
Gonna be hard to top.

[beam me up scottie]

568. No kidding. THREE spin off threads!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026556154

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026557079

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026558426


Ouch. Not much love for her hero on DU.

[NuclearDem]

586. Are you serious?

Your spellcheck betrays you, zappaman!

[JTFrog]

553. It's revealing alright.

Just probably not in the way you think.

[Major Nikon]

91. Science is not liberal or conservative

Channeling a quack who believes in talking with the dead as a credible source just because you happen to agree with him on one issue is pretty much as ridiculous as pulling some conservative shitstain out of your ass and pretending to associate them with anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I'll see your conservative cranks and creme-de-la-quack and raise you one heavily liberal Neil deGrasse Tyson:

"Since practically all food has been genetically altered from nature, if you wanted labeling I suppose you could demand it, but then it should be for all such foods"

[SidDithers]

130. "liberal TV doctor"...

Oh, this thread just gets better and better.

Sid

[sabrina 1]

145. You mocking Michelle Obama also Sid?

She and he agree on what those Monsanto Conservatives hate, encouraging people to eat healthy food and to exercise. She's been on his show a few times.

Are you are laughing at the First Lady, really?

[SidDithers]

147. No, sabrina, I'm laughing that you posted that Oz is a "liberal TV doctor"...

apparently without ever checking that he's actually a Republican.

I find it pretty fucking hilarious that you've created a thread where you're promoting a Republican, and defending said Republican from the criticisms of felons.

You sure know how to pick 'em, sabrina.

Awesome.

Sid

[sabrina 1]

153. Trying to get out of it now? You MOCKED the promotion of healthy eating for Americans on Dr Oz

And, maybe you don't know this, but in the US Republicans can be Liberal and ARE on many issues. Teddy Roosevelt?? Ever heard of THAT Republican??

I think you should quit while you're only this far behind. Michelle Obama is a favorite guest on Dr Oz's show BECAUSE he supports her while Right wingers, like your 'ten doctors' eg, hate what she's doing.

[NuclearDem]

158. And now Republicans are liberal!

Didn't you spend half this thread trying to play guilt by association to a different Republican?

[PeaceNikki]

161. So liberal that they donate the max to Walnuts McCain.

Totes liberal.

[sufrommich]

165. Nobody should be eating on Dr. Oz,regardless of nationality.

That's unsanitary.

[beam me up scottie]

177. LMAO!

Maybe he should be irradiated.

[SidDithers]

166. ...

Sid

[SidDithers]

176. No sabrina, I mocked your assertion that Mehmet Oz is a "liberal TV doctor"...

when in fact he is a max-level donor to Republicans.

Sid

[beam me up scottie]

148. Poster thinks Dr. Oz is a quack, therefore poster hates Michelle Obama.

No, really, we're not laughing at you, we're laughing at Michelle!

[sabrina 1]

170. Exactly. Guess he didn't know that Michelle Obama doesn't think Dr. Oz is a quack.

In fact Dr Oz supported her program when 'poster's' friends, you know those right wingers who attacked Dr. Oz for wanting Americans to know what they are eating, were also SLAMMING Michelle Obama.

[beam me up scottie]

174. Holy fuck, you think I'm *agreeing* with you?

Who are you?

[NuclearDem]

150. ...

[malaise]

162. 1,000

Rec the OP

[SidDithers]

29. Link to the post where I defend anyone from ACSH...

But I wont fucking hold my breath while I wait. Because there ain't one.

You made an accusation, but you won't substatiate it. You've got a long history of making unfounded accusations.

Your OP can't be interpreted as anything but a defense of Oz and a promotion of his alleged expertise.

Now. Produce the link to my defense of the felons.

Sid

[marym625]

325. I'm assuming you decided not to write a detailed post

That your is enough to make a valid point.

Interesting

[SidDithers]

328. Well, sabrina never answered the question...

But, given the way this thread has gone, I'm glad I didn't bother. It wouldn't have made a lick of difference to someone who is equating criticism of Mehmet Oz with defense of ASCH and ridicule of Michelle Obama.

Sid

[marym625]

329. I don't know that it wouldn't have made a difference to me

Or anyone else. Since it wasn't just Sabrina that asked for it, I didn't realize that her responding to your question would be your only reason for posting it.

Guess we'll never know if it would have made a difference. However, not supporting your own statement has made I difference

Thank you for your response

[sabrina 1]

542. The thread is going great. It's been most educational. I love to have confirmation of things

I wasn't sure of.

You asked no substantive questions that I recall, nor made a single post that actually addressed the issue.

My position is clear.

All food should be labeled in this country.

And with the rising opposition to Monsanto's bullying of the American people, now at 90% demanding labeling, they are going to have to change their tactics as they have been forced to do in over 60 countries so far, and are facing having their GMOs banned in others. GMO Corn already banned in some countries.

Americans are not as stupid as these Corporations seem to think.

[SidDithers]

565. Sure it is, sabrina...

Sid

[beam me up scottie]

567. Of course it is.

Look at the hundreds of recs and dozens of supportive DUers who showed up to champion the good Dr.

Not to mention the three spin off threads she inspired...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026556154

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026557079

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026558426


Yes indeed, a rousing success. We've been owned!

[sabrina 1]

570. Thanks for the kick. So long as you all keep kicking it, you are helping me accomplish my goal

of getting as many people as possible to read the OP. Thousands of views so far and tons of emails.

There is nothing more satisfying when you write an OP than to know it is getting the eyeballs you wanted.

Have a drink while you're here, and keep it kicked for me, I won't be around until tomorrow to kick it again.

Thank you so much, you have no idea how surprised I am to see this OP stay visible for so long.

Btw, did you know that most people reading the OP don't even look at the comments? Lol!

[beam me up scottie]

571. "Btw, did you know that most people reading the OP don't even look at the comments? Lol!"

That's what you counted on, but it backfired this time. People did the research and responded - just not the way you expected.

Thousands of views, tons of alleged emails and yet very little support of Oz, hardly any recs (most of them were for the entertainment value), and gales of laughter at your antics.

Is ridicule what you wanted, sabrina? Was that your goal?

If so you succeeded. Epically.


Check out the other threads that were started to counter your Dr. Oz disinformation campaign.



Here's a clue, if you want informed advocates for your cause you do yourself a disservice by underestimating people.

All show and no substance might make you popular at the time, but it hurts you in the end.



Now I see what everyone was talking about.

[840high]

271. Thank you.

[sharp_stick]

4. Dr. Oz

is as much a fraud as his compatriot in qauckery Kevin Trudeau.

[darkangel218]

5. He may be, but he is right about the GMOs.

They need to be labeled. Plain and simple .

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

72. stopped clocks and all that. nt

[Scootaloo]

109. Trouble is, the labeling could easily be subverted

Every domesticated plant and animal in the world is genetically modified. You may just think of it as "peopel in labcoats playing with DNA molecules" but, no, that's not how the science actually goes.

All it will take is one lawsuit by Kraft or whoever, and suddenly every food that isn't wild caught is subject to "GMO labelling."

[jeff47]

211. If your goal is actually what the pro-label people claim, you'd want a label on everything.

The pro-label side does not want labels on genetically modified plants that were mutated with radiation or chemical mutagens. Only when humans directly manipulate the plant's DNA. (At least, that's what they are demanding)

Guess what requires zero testing before market? Plants that were mutated with radiation or chemical mutagens. Guess what actually has to be tested before market? Directly manipulating the plant's DNA.

If you actually care about food safety, you'd want to reverse the labeling proposal, or require testing of those other ways of modifying an organism. But the people pushing the labels do not want that. They sell these mutated crops with organic labels instead.

[Scootaloo]

223. My goal is scientific literacy

And part of that is the realization that all it takes is one paid geneticist to throw the entire "labeling" cause out hte window.

If people are really, truly concerned about GMO's, then they need to turn their sights to barring ht patenting o genes, and of organisms beyond the fist generation.

[jeff47]

230. SCOTUS already beat you to it. You can't copyright/patent a genome (nt)

[sabrina 1]

10. Dr Oz supports 90% of Americans regarding their food being labeled. Have anything to say about the

convicted Felon, Dr. Ross, who went to jail and lost his medical license for defrauding Medicaid to the tune of $8 Million dollars? Imagine a convicted fraudster calling anyone else a fraud? But then, he's a Republican as are all supporters of refusing to tell Americans what is in their food.

[JTFrog]

331. "But then, he's a Republican"

You are talking about Dr. Oz, right?

Not only is Dr. Oz a republican, he's a McCain supporter and a politically active New Jersey republican who has contemplated running for office on the republican ticket.

I can't believe how hard you are promoting this guy here.

Your accusations throughout the thread are comedy gold. I can see why the vast majority of DUers are amused with this thread.

[Oktober]

7. What a nutjob...

[darkangel218]

23. Yes. Monsanto are nutjobs.

They need to stop poisoning us.

[HassleCat]

8. They're Scared

And they should be scared. Personally, I'm not alarmed by GMO ingredients in my food. There has been no conclusive research showing GMO grains, etc. do anything bad in your Cheerios. Still, the consumer should have the option of avoiding GMO ingredients if he or she chooses to do so. Hence the label should carry a notice if there are GMO ingredients. The food industry is scared of this because they know the average consumer will think, "Gee Emm Oh! What the hell is that? I'll buy a different brand!" Also, it would cost them money to keep track of which foods have GMO ingredients and which don't. Right now, I doubt if they know if those Oreo cookies were made with GMO wheat or not, and they would have to set up a system to track ingredients. Also, they would be fined if they screwed up, so it could cost them that way, too.

[sabrina 1]

13. The recent World Health findings says that Roundup, Monsanto's product, most likely does cause

cancer. Which means Monsanto and its 'industry scientists' have been lying to the people for decades.

Yes, they are scared, because over 64 nations now require the labeling of GMOs.

Why is they US so controlled by Corporations like Monsanto that they cannot get something every other civilized nation has? The right to know what they are eating.

Edited to add, if they have been lying for so long about Roundup, the chances are they are lying about GMOs also.

Regardless, we have a right to know what we are eating.

[HassleCat]

79. Well, Yes

Roundup is an herbicide, and we're learning more and more bad stuff about herbicides. Remember DDT? When we built the Panama Canal, we hosed down Central America pretty liberally, and nobody complained because the mosquitoes died. Then the chickens came home to roost. But the eggs were no good because the shells were too thin. Roundup is some pretty powerful stuff. When I worked on a farm, my boss sprayed it to kill weeds. What Monsanto has done is develop a "Roundup Ready" variety of corn by genetically engineering it. That means you can spray more Roundup on the corn without killing it. It's reasonable to expect GMO grains to contain higher concentrations of herbicides, since some of the genetic engineering is specifically aimed at producing plants that can tolerate more herbicides, and stronger herbicides.

[sabrina 1]

92. They lied about DDT also. They lied about Agent Orange. Thank you for your post. The farmers

where I live do not use Roundup. So it's not a concern for us, we avoid buying vegetables from supermarkets.

The bottom line is, the people have a right to know what they are buying. I don't see the problem with letting US decide unless they are hiding something.

[jeff47]

202. No, the WHO says it might cause cancer.

It's in the same category as coffee and shift work.

If you're going to complain about lying, you really should avoid doing it yourself.

[sabrina 1]

220. So you support Monsanto dictating to the American people that they have no right to decide for

themselves what food they should eat?

Thanks, it's so hard to get a straight answer on this very simple question. I hope I'm not misunderstanding you. If so, feel free to say where you stand on the issue.

[jeff47]

228. Really? That's your argument for why it was OK for you to lie?

Again, if you want to decry lying by other people, you should not be lying yourself.

[sabrina 1]

239. Do you support Corporations like Monsanto and their shills, see OP, dictating to the American people

what food they should eat?

[jeff47]

240. Do you think asking that enough times will erase your lie above? (nt)

[sabrina 1]

244. Do you agree with Monsanto that Americans have no right to determine what food they

should feed their families?

Are you calling me a liar? Explain that false personal attack please. But first, answer the question you are trying desperately NOT to answer for some reason. For any Democrat this is an easy question.

[jeff47]

265. Apparently you do really think asking that over and over again erases your lie.

Are you calling me a liar? Explain that false personal attack please.

It's right up there in the first response to you in this subthread. You claim the WHO has proven RoundUp causes cancer. This is a lie. They've put RoundUp in the category of things that might cause cancer. Other members of that group include coffee and shift work.

But first, answer the question you are trying desperately NOT to answer for some reason.

You mean like asking you "why did you lie?" and you suddenly talking about Monsanto?

[jeff47]

186. Nah, they're not scared. The Organic industry wants to expand their market share.

Enter fearmongering about the safety of GMOs, and conflating every GMO with RoundUp-Resistant plants made by Monsanto.

Also, it would cost them money to keep track of which foods have GMO ingredients and which don't.

You mean what is already done for organic food? Boy, that would be mighty impossible.

Right now, I doubt if they know if those Oreo cookies were made with GMO wheat or not

They're made with several GMO products.

Tell you what, you explain why "GMOs" need a label, but no label is required on red grapefruit or seedless watermelon.

Red grapefruit was created by bombarding the normal, pink grapefruit with radiation, and seeing what grew from the resulting mutated plants. The red fruit was chosen, grown, and can be sold as 100% organic, all-natural. It's not a "GMO" under the proposed labeling rules.

Seedless watermelon is created by taking a regular watermelon and treating it with a chemical mutagen that causes it to have 4 copies of its genes instead of two. Then the 4-copy watermelon is bred with a normal 2-copy watermelon. The resulting 3-copy watermelon can't produce seeds - meiosis is completely screwed up by the odd number of chromosomes. It's also 100% organic, all-natural, and not a GMO under the proposed labeling rules.

This is what an ear of corn looked like before humans got to it:

We mutated the hell out of that to get the yellow thing you are familiar with.

Hell, GMOs actually have to be tested before they can be sold. Radiation-induced or chemical-induced mutations? No testing required, and you can even sell it as organic. Yet the same people clamoring for GMO labels are not clamoring for labels on those plants. The fact that the same people sell those plants mutated by chemicals or radiation must be a coincidence.

There are very few "good guys" in large-scale agriculture.

[beam me up scottie]

16. Wah!

Stop oppressing the woo woo peddlers!



He will stop telling the Trooth™ when they pry his bottle of homeopathic remedy from his cold dead hands.

[darkangel218]

18. Says so Big Pharma and Monsanto.

No thanks.
What we put in our bodies matters so much.
You even have the choice to chose what grade of gasoline you put in your car. But so far, we don't have the choice to identify GMO food, because of the Monsanto's money .

Please spare us.

[beam me up scottie]

21. So says science.

Homeopathic remedies are nothing but water repackaged for fools.

Science: Not a Democracy.

Spare me the hyperbole.

[darkangel218]

22. Labeling GMOs has 0 to do with homeopathic medicine

Why are you trying to deflict??

[beam me up scottie]

30. The quack peddles homeopathic remedics.

Which is one of many reasons he shouldn't be taken seriously.

Not trying to deflict(sic), just providing facts.

[darkangel218]

33. I asked you below: what kind of food are you eating??

[beam me up scottie]

47. Babies.

But I worry about bacteria so I have them nuked first.

[NuclearDem]

55. That's about all this attempt to legitimize a fraud and a huckster deserves.

[darkangel218]

56. So you support that poster saying he eats babies?

Just to be clear

[NuclearDem]

59. Yes, because it was totally super serial.

You guys.

[beam me up scottie]

78. Why do you assume I'm a he?

[BainsBane]

604. Everyone knows

girls don't do science.

[beam me up scottie]

67. Why would I delete? You're the one calling me a troll.

Why should I take anything you say seriously?

Classy.

[zappaman]

76. !!!

[sabrina 1]

149. How do you feel about the First Lady's support for Dr Oz promoting healthy eating?

You know that those same Conservative 'Drs' slam her too, as they do Dr. Oz for her pushing Americans to live healthier lives?

Is she supporting a 'quack' like they claimed?

She's a favorite guest on Dr Oz's show, how do YOU feel about that?

[beam me up scottie]

164. *BURP*

Sorry, that last tiny human didn't want to stay down.

[sabrina 1]

198. Why is it so hard for you to say where you stand on this issue? Do you believe the First Lady is

wrong to ask that people eat healthy food? Do you agree with the Right Wing Convicted Fraud, Dr Ross that Americans have no right to know what they are eating?

It's a simple question for most Democrats. See the First Lady eg, she ignores the attacks of those Right Wingers who want her to be quiet about healthy eating and obesity. Dr. Oz supports her. Who do YOU support?

[beam me up scottie]

204. Right Wingers? What's next, calling me a racist because I think Oz is a quack?

Do you really not understand why people don't take you seriously?

Wow.

[sabrina 1]

212. Try to focus. I take it you are for Monsanto dictating to Americans that they have no right to know

what they are eating. That was hard to extract from you. Thanks, that explains your fierce attempts to try to NOT to answer the question.

[beam me up scottie]

213. I take it I hate freedom too.

[sabrina 1]

218. Feel free to give your opinion on that. So far you have wriggled and struggled and evaded

and tried to be funny, sorry but don't give up your day job, but you have not told us whether or not you DO 'hate freedom' or not.

I'm patient, I'll wait until you decide to answer the simple question that would tell us whether or not you 'hate freedom' for the American people to be able to choose the foods they eat.

[beam me up scottie]

226. Why give my opinion when you keep giving it for me?

And sabrina, I hope this is your day job cuz when it comes to making people laugh, you've got us all beat.

[sabrina 1]

597. Thanks for the compliment. No offense, but beating the five of you on trying to be funny ....

Wait, that was another attempt at humor wasn't it?

[PeaceNikki]

215. Well you obviously hate Oprah, too, so.... do the math, troll.

[beam me up scottie]

217. Your personal attacks are nothing to me.

I laugh at what you post.

[PeaceNikki]

219. whatever, freedom hater

[zappaman]

221. Well then...

[beam me up scottie]

231. Thanks for nothing, troll.

I hope you're happy.

[zappaman]

236. Why do you hate Michele Obama?

And on a Democratic website no less!

[beam me up scottie]

238. I don't understand why you won't answer my questions!

Seriously.

What is wrong with you conservative/felon/Monstanto loving, Obama/healthy food/liberal Democrat hating shills?

[zappaman]

241. I talk to people all the time who tell me

They don't hate Michele Obama and vanilla is the best flavor of ice cream.
Why do you love big pharma?

[beam me up scottie]

245. So I take it you're for circumcising your Pit Bull while he's smoking a cigarette

at the Olive Garden?

Why do you hate breast feeding?

[zappaman]

246. Dr. Oz says breathing is essential for living.

So, you think people shouldn't breathe?
Never thought I'd see that on a Democratic site.
Good to know where you stand.

[beam me up scottie]

249. I never knew what I was for until now.

Do I want to outlaw clean water too?

And kittens.

How do I feel about teh kittehs?

[NuclearDem]

255. I think you're all just Republicans.

And not the good kind of Republicans I make up when I need to cover for not having fact-checked.

[beam me up scottie]

257. Trying to get out of it now? You MOCKED apple pie!

And I'm not going to let you forget it.

[zappaman]

261. Stop killing kittens!

[beam me up scottie]

264. Well now you're just being ridiculous...

Why would I kill the kittens?

I need them to lure the babies to my lair.

It's not like they sell them at Walmart.


So stealing that, btw.

[sabrina 1]

540. Did you mean Michelle Obama? The first lady spells her name with two of these ll

[zappaman]

543. Oops.

That's what I get for not proof reading!
Thanks!

[merrily]

321. It's hilarious that you think people don't take Sabrina 1 seriously. Even people who disagree

with her don't dismiss her or her posts.

[beam me up scottie]

345. It's hilarious that you think I care.

It's not possible to "disagree" with hyperbole and scare tactics, so I dismiss the anti-science bullshit.

[merrily]

347. If only your post made sense.

[beam me up scottie]

353. NdT makes more sense than the scare tactics used in the Op.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good meltdown over imaginary ju ju.

We get it, science is evil, power to teh people!!1!

[sabrina 1]

393. Lol! I was thinking the same thing. I love that they keep kicking this very important information.

Just saw the Oz Show where they completely annihilated the corporate shills, by thoroughly exposing who they are working for. See the OP for info on how far these corporations will go to silence Americans who dare to demand a simple right that most other civilized countries have.

So much for their latest attack on a messenger. I think they would have been off had they not done this. I mean when 90% of the people AGREE with the messenger, it only confirms how wrong the attackers are.

[msanthrope]

564. Yes. They do. nt

[merrily]

574. Said the poster of reply 564.

Yes, I've seen you reply to her, saying you never reply to her. That, too, is hilarious.

[msanthrope]

581. I never told her I would not reply to her---only that I would not answer her questions.

Sabrina's insistence that the Bush White House and intelligence services were somehow correct in their assessment of Anwar Awlaki (even though it has been proven that US intelligence was completely wrong on this count, and startlingly incompetent) is something I find very troublesome. The reliance on Bush-era intelligence services is a red flag for me.

There are certain posters on DU---those who believe in chemtrails and crop circles, troofers, anti-vaxxers, gun humpers, and Julian Assange rape apologists who will never, ever, respond well to carefully written, evidence-based posts that shred their delusions. Since you joined this site over a decade after I did, I can only give you some very sage advice about dealing with those who advance such extreme ideals---remember it's the Internet, and have fun. Eventually, the extremists out themselves.

For example--the famous troll Hannah Bell was recently rebanned....again. That's cause for celebration, isn't it?

[merrily]

583. Is that explanation supposed to make your claim of dismissing Sabrina 1 more convincing?

Since you joined this site over a decade after I did, I can only give you some very sage advice about dealing with those who advance such extreme ideals---remember it's the Internet, and have fun.

Thanks for the sage advice, but there are other sites. I've been posting since 2004.

For example--the famous troll Hannah Bell was recently rebanned....again. That's cause for celebration, isn't it?

Hannah Bell never penetrated my consciousness for some reason. However, I did note you and another poster claiming repeatedly that ND Dem had previously posted as Hannah Bell; and I do remember ND Dem.

ND Dem always seemed angry at me, though I have no clue why. Nonetheless, if what he or she posted about being disabled and homeless as a result of meningitis was true, then, no I don't see the banning as cause for celebration.

[msanthrope]

584. I think Sabrina's own posts make the case.

As for the Hannah Bell troll, why would you believe anything it wrote?

[merrily]

585. I've never seen her posts say anything about whether you dismiss her or not. Only your posts

say that.

As for the Hannah Bell troll, why would you believe anything it wrote?

Again, I didn't know Hannah Bell. I didn't say that I either believed or disbelieved ND-Dem.

[sabrina 1]

243. Topic of the OP: Monsanto shills dictate to the American people what food they should eat, and deny

them the right to have their labeled.

Do you agree or disagree with Corporate control over Americans right to know what they are eating?

[NuclearDem]

247. So I suppose you're in favor of neutering salamanders

Why do you hate the color purple?

[beam me up scottie]

259. Topic of the OP: Purple salamanders dictate what nuts you eat.

And deny us the right to identify our poodles.

Do you agree or disagree with Better Than Ezra?

[Joe Worker]

539. Genetically Modified

Foods are Poison. (especially for children) We are simply being made guinea pigs to maximize their profits and monopoly. (Evil)

Tell me whats in it whether its GMO's or the TPP

[beam me up scottie]

541. "Genetically Modified Foods are Poison. (especially for children)"

No, it's not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6553128

“I don’t care if you want to label GMOs in the grocery store, but do so knowing that you will be labeling 80-90% of the food on the shelves, or go ahead and tell me you want to remove all GMOs from food, and know that the same 80-90% of food will have to be removed.”

[Joe Worker]

555. Sorry but that is

just plain flat out WRONG. It damages DNA

Help Yourself!

[beam me up scottie]

556. How does it damage DNA?

Where did you hear that?

[NuclearDem]

589. No, it doesn't.

[sabrina 1]

26. Corporate funded scientists and convicted right wing felons have ZERO credibility. You are supportin

Conservative Medicaid Fraudsters attempts to deny Americans the right to know what they are eating? Seriously?

[beam me up scottie]

38. Doctor Oz has zero credibility.

You are supportin


Conservative Medicaid Fraudsters attempts to deny Americans the right to know what they are eating? Seriously?

ZOMGWTFBBQ!!?1!




QUACK QUACK QUACK

[sabrina 1]

58. This thread is going exactly as I though it would. Thank YOU for your contributions

I wanted to see who is on the side of the American people, or who is on the side of Monsanto.

This is a very revealing thread.

Not one substantive response to the OP. Just attempts to divert from the topic.

Very interesting.

[beam me up scottie]

75. You're welcome.

[Rex]

465. It is an AWESOME thread! THANK YOU!

So what have we learned? That a handful of 'concerned' non-scientists don't want food labeled...because they HATE democracy and why do they hate it?

People are stupid...REALLY SCIENTIFIC RIGHT!?!?!

I am wiping the tears away...they are so obvious!

SOME FOOD IS MORE FAIRER THAN OTHER! CAN YOU GUESS WHICH ONES!

[Logical]

157. We need to shut down every pharmaceutical company. Nt

[DeadLetterOffice]

183. Please don't do that! I'm medication dependent.

I like being alive, thanks.

[Logical]

203. I was not serious. People forget "Big Pharma" have invented many helpful medications. nt

[zappaman]

208. Big Pharma!

[DeadLetterOffice]

229. *whew*

You never know around here these days...

[Logical]

232. Sorry it was not obvious as I thought! I should of used the sarcasm icon! nt

[DeadLetterOffice]

341. What a rude, asshole-ish thing to say.

Enjoy your (hopefully brief) stay.
Oh, and congratulations, you're the first and only person I've ever put on ignore.

[sabrina 1]

20. Don't worry, I don't support Republicans, like Dr. Ross, convicted felons who stole from Medicaid.

Dr Oz, otoh, is absolutely right that Americans have a right to have their food labeled.

Which one were you referring to? The convicted Republican felon? Dr. Ross?

[beam me up scottie]

25. Oh I'm not worried.

I don't give a fuck why you support quacks.

[darkangel218]

31. What kind of food are you eating, beam me up scott?

Are you eating conventional food?

[beam me up scottie]

42. I eat non-organic radiated babies.

You got a problem with that?

[beam me up scottie]

57. Atheists.

Atheists eat babies.

Trolls lie about the motives of people who upset their delicate fee fees.


QUACK

[PeaceNikki]

62. .

[beam me up scottie]

83. Can you believe that newbie is calling me a troll?

All cuz I enjoy a good roasted kid now and then.

Sheesh

What's this place coming to?

[PeaceNikki]

86. Atheists gotta eat, too, ffs.

I got a hide the other day for getting snarky with that one. And permission from it to "say fuck all I want", so that's nice.

[beam me up scottie]

93. Oh, good, it's not just me.

And you got the hide?

[SidDithers]

32. Exactly...

Sid

[darkangel218]

36. Monsanto should put you on their payroll

[SidDithers]

39. ...

Sid

[darkangel218]

46. Yah. The same emoticon again

And you want people to take you seriously.

[SidDithers]

60. I don't give a fuck if people take me seriously...

But I most certainly don't take you seriously.



Sid

[darkangel218]

69. Lmao!!

All you do is post

Good luck on anyone caring about your emojies. Since thats all you have.

[SidDithers]

81. In a discussion like this, it's all that's needed...

Sid

[darkangel218]

82. Poster like me?

What do you mean by that?

[G_j]

178. That's good

because they don't.

[Godhumor]

289. Figured you might be interested in the results of the alert on this post

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack, part of a longtime pattern of stalking.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:45 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I don't know about the long history of stalking, but it is clearly rude and disrespectful

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: In context of the subthread this post isn't alert-worthy.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Please, please stop with the frivolous alerts and accusations.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[beam me up scottie]

61. TROLL!!1!

EVIL RIGHT WING LOVING SCIENCE WORSHIPING BASTARD!

[NuclearDem]

66. You called?

[SidDithers]

73. LOL...

Apparently, thinking Oz is a quack means I'm defending felons, or something. How can u argue with logic like that?

It's like playing chess with a pigeon.

Sid

[beam me up scottie]

94. Like shooting ducks.

QUACK?

[sabrina 1]

313. Dr. Ross, right wing convicted felon. Right Winger who defrauded NY State's Medicaid program of

$8 Million Dollars. Connected to Corporate Think Tanks. Hilareously signs letter together with 9 other Far Right Wing Corporate connected doctors, hypocritically calling another doctor a 'fraud'.



I love it. I know Monsanto spends MILLIONS trying to silence those who speak out against depriving the American people of the right to label GMOs, but seriously, there really are scraping the bottom of the barrel when they have to depend on a Right Wing Convicted Fraudulent Felon to do their dirty work, don't you agree? For all that money, this is all they could come up with?

Label GMOs. Let the people decide, what are they hiding?

Hey, Sid, should the US join 64 other nations and label GMOs?

[sufrommich]

100. You're skating on thin ice talking to Skinner like that. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

104. ...

[beam me up scottie]

106. Thanks! Do you like my new skates?

Monsanto bought them for me.

[sufrommich]

112. Very nice skates.I'm saving all my Hillary checks for a new Apple watch.nt

[NuclearDem]

135. ...

[sabrina 1]

37. Do you support the labeling of food in this country?

[beam me up scottie]

53. You just told me that I support

"Conservative Medicaid Fraudsters attempts to deny Americans the right to know what they are eating? Seriously?"

and now you're asking me?

Make up your mind.

[sabrina 1]

63. Yes, it's a simple question. Do you support the labeling of food in this country?

[longship]

306. Nope. And I explained why above.

I notice that you ignored that response, as I suppose you will ignore this one.

The reason why I do not support labeling is because all the food we eat is genetically modified. We've been doing it for thousands of years.

Plus there is no clear line of demarcation between what some folks would call GMO and not GMO. So the labeling would be meaningless.

Get used to the fact that everything you eat is genetically modified. All of it!!!

[jeff47]

191. Do you support stripping the "organic" label from red grapefruit and seedless watermelon?

Red grapefruit was created by humans bombarding "normal" grapefruit with gamma rays and seeing what grew.

Seedless watermelons are created by dousing "normal" watermelons with a chemical mutagen that causes it to have 4 copies of its genes instead of 2. Then the 4-copy plant is bred with a 2-copy plant. The resulting 3-copy plant can't do meiosis, so it can't produce seeds.

Both are not "GMOs" according to the label you support. Both can be labeled as 100% organic and all-natural.

[sabrina 1]

194. Do you support the labeling of food in this country?

You are off topic, this OP is about the Right Wing doctors who are attempting to silence people who support Americans' right to know what foods are GMOs.

Do you think Americans are too stupid to decide for themselves what foods they should put into their bodies, and that Corporations should make that decision for them?

[jeff47]

201. Ah yes, time for you to run away instead of answering.

You are off topic, this OP is about the Right Wing doctors who are attempting to silence people who support Americans' right to know what foods are GMOs.

And the rules you support do not cover genetically modified organisms when the modifications were done by chemical mutagens or radiation.

That is exactly on topic. And you're refusing to answer.

As you always do.

[sabrina 1]

405. Sorry, I was watching the Corporate Right Wing shills who tried to silence Dr Oz being being

thoroughly exposed on his show today. It's not good to attack messengers who are speaking for 90% of the population.

As for your question, I support the labeling of all food, organic, HMOs because we the people have a right to know what is in that food.

Why, did you think I was foolish enough to trust any Corporation who are selling products that have the ability to affect the people's health?

So how about you, is Dr Oz wrong to ask that the people know what is in their food?

[NuclearDem]

488. Maybe you should ask Dr. Oz if people deserve to know what's in the supplements he pushes.

Here, from rightwing corporate shill John Oliver:

[longship]

575. Steve Buscemi tap dancing was the best of the best.

How can one support Dr. Oz after that?

And how in the Sam Hell did Oliver get Buscemi to tap dance? I guess that it became time to embrace the horror of Dr. Mehmet Oz.

My best to this thread.

[NuclearDem]

28. You can't be serious.

Seriously, this is fucking performance art, isn't it?

[SidDithers]

35. Astounding, eh?...nt

Sid

[NuclearDem]

44. The guy who pushes magic coffee beans that haven't gone through a thousandth of the testing

that GMOs have gets to be an authority on the topic.

Unfuckingbelievable.

[DeadLetterOffice]

222. +1 n/t

[sabrina 1]

300. Did you want to say something to me? Where do you stand on Monsanto dictating to the American

people on their right to know what is a GMO tomato (hey thanks Dan Quayle) and what is not, considering 90% of the American people WANT that information?

You have been running around this thread posing that now infamous emoticon, but we are still waiting to know where you stand on the rights of the American People.

Looking forward to your response. Btw, do Canadians know what they are they are eating? Or do Corps like Monsanto dictate to them also?

Never mind, I'm off to do some research!

[sabrina 1]

48. Do you support Right Wing felons denying the American people the right to know what is in their

food?

You think Corporate control of our right to know what we are eating is 'performance art'??

Tell me you are not posting on a Democratic Forum supporting Corporations like Monsanto denying Americans' right to know what they are eating?

[NuclearDem]

50. Again, this is fucking performance art, isn't it?

Jesus Christ, thanks for the laugh.

[beam me up scottie]

95. It's positively genius!

Rivals the moon bombing threads.

[longship]

41. Maybe Dr. Quack Oz can use homeopathy to rid the world of GMO.

Or maybe Reiki? Or possibly John of God could pretend to pull tumors out of people's guts, an old well known scam.

There is no alternative medicine. There is only medicine, based on science. The extent that you leave science behind is the extent that you leave medicine behind.

Fuck you, Dr. Oz, and the Oprah you rode in on. The ignorance is appalling.

[Archae]

43. This is the biggest diversionary attempt I've seen since the "Swift Boat" GOP non-story.

"Dr" Oz is facing serious questions about his pushing useless and even dangerous "medical" woo, and so he yells "I'm being picked on by the Great Poison GMO Conspiracy!"

[sabrina 1]

54. Is he right about labeling GMOS, or do you agree with Conservative Medicaid Fraudster that he is

wrong and Americans don't need to know what they are eating?

Colombia University is standing by HIM not Monsanto, so I'm fine with supporting him on GMO labeling. How about you?

[Archae]

77. I'm against the GMO labeling for one reason.

And it has nothing to do with the guy you mention.

The fact is, the anti-GMO hysterics are putting out tons and tons of pure bullshit about GMO's being "poison" and whatnot, so any food with the label "GMO" on it is going to be avoided like food is now "gluten free" as a marketing gimmick.

Meanwhile the "organic" food producers aren't a bunch of hippies dancing through their fields singing "Inch By Inch," they are a multi-BILLION dollar business that uses herbicides and pesticides also.
And they make those billion$ by charging twice or even 3 or 4 times what non-organic food costs.

If you want REAL organic food, frequent the farmer's markets in your area, if you have them.

We do from spring until fall, here in Sheboygan, down at Fountain Park on 8th and Ontario.

[zappaman]

133. Exactly!

Oddly enough I just got back from a local farmers market.
Cherries are back in season!

[sabrina 1]

566. Doesn't matter what you think. Monsanto is in trouble, all over the world. Five more countries

last year have banned their products and now with the WHO report that is likely to increase since other countries were wavering. That makes nearly 30 countries world wide.

90% of Americans want their GMOs labeled, and over 64 countries already have forced them to label their products.

Pro Monsanto shills are out trying to silence people like Oz because WE in the US are the only place that has been stupid enough to allow them to writer laws, or influence them.

So they are desperate now and that desperation is showing.

They lied for decades about the 'safety' of many of their products so few believe their claims anymore. People want CHOICE and they have a right to it.

And good for Oz, Ben & Jerry and every other person who has a microphone especially, who are willing to stand up to them and show them that their bullying isn't working.

In the US nine states are now looking at legislation to force them to label their food with several more looking at the prospect.

You can eat whatever you want, no one is stopping.

But the other 90% of us want that same right.

Regardless of the attempts in this thread, or anywhere else, to try so desperately to distract from the issue, the world, and this country's people have had enough of Monsanto's bullying and lies.

Thanks for keeping it kicked, btw, and thanks for at least being honest enough to state where you stand. I respect that. I disagree but appreciate honesty.

[Johonny]

51. I support Dr Oz homeopathically.

I remove all my support until there's none left and then see how supported he is... Two quacks don't make a duck, sorry.

[sabrina 1]

65. Do you support the labeling of food in this country?

[NuclearDem]

64. My oh my is this going well.

[beam me up scottie]

70. Yes it is.

[xfundy]

68. Wonder if Monsanto & the Kochs are behind the attacks on Oz.

I don't watch the show, but have seen many stories lately about how he's a quack and should be fired from his hospital job.

[NuclearDem]

74. That's because he's a quack who pushes bullshit on his show.

And claims it's legitimate. Sometimes a quack is just a quack.

[darkangel218]

80. Of course they are.

Just like they silenced Kevin Trudeau.

[NuclearDem]

87. Kevin Trudeau!

Oh my good God, you've got to be kidding me.

[darkangel218]

90. Stay on the subject please.

Ten OP is not about KT .

[zappaman]

97. You're the one who brought up Kevin Trudeau.

Hence the deserved

[darkangel218]

101. Reading comprehension much??

I was NOT the one who "brought up" KT.

Can't you read up a thread???

[zappaman]

128. "Just like they silenced Kevin Trudeau."

[darkangel218]

134. Was it me who btought uo KT in the thread?

[NuclearDem]

152. Yes, it very much was.

[beam me up scottie]

154. Yes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6551072

darkangel218 (10,542 posts)
80. Of course they are.

Just like they silenced Kevin Trudeau

And get a grip, I can barely understand your posts.

[PeaceNikki]

98. can i get your thread police badge number, please?

[darkangel218]

102. Why dont you insult me like you did in the other thread??

Oh never mind. You got a post hidden over your insults and callouts.

Lol

[PeaceNikki]

105. lol

[darkangel218]

107. Yah, "lol". nt

[PeaceNikki]

108. fuck yeah, lol!

[darkangel218]

111. Glad to know you like calling people out wrongfully

PeaceNikki
108. fuck yeah, lol!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6537989

[PeaceNikki]

116. lol, I say. lol

[greatauntoftriplets]

151. Only thing that would make this thread funnier...

is for library girl to make an appearance!

[Kali]

370. she did!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026550737#post338

[greatauntoftriplets]

371. Damn! I missed it.

[Kali]

375. the usual anti medicine rant

but with and actual apology and a confession to using OTC pain relievers!

[greatauntoftriplets]

376. I'm SHOCKED that she'd sully her body with Ibuprofen.

Actually, more that she'd admit it.

[Kali]

382. next thing you know

she'll be ordering the kale and avocado burger at McDonalds.

[greatauntoftriplets]

383. Or steak tartare!

[Kali]

354. do you even have the slightest clue

how ironic (and hypocritical) it is for YOU to point out someone else's hidden post?



How many have you had since you got here? any idea? at least a couple hundred, that is for sure. I doubt if you have had a total of 2 weeks with out at least one on your profile.

[PeaceNikki]

356. Even hilariouser (yeah, I said it) that darkangel got a hide IN THIS THREAD.

I can count how many I have had on one hand since day one. Had I known I was going to get one for that I would have gone all in. That was silly.

[Kali]

359. that one LOVES to call other people trolls and accuse them of flamebaiting

she is at 4 now, won't be long before another DU timeout and time to go back to DI where she can play with all her right wing friends, and continue supporting Rand Paul. she will be off her latest timeout there in a couple days.

[beam me up scottie]

362. DI? Rand supporter?

Oh my.

That explains a lot. I now view being attacked by that one as a badge of honour.

This 'troll' wants her to go buh-bye soon.

[Kali]

366. she has better "greatest hists" here,

though there was the time she went on a Ronald Reagan fanfest there that was pretty amusing.

Margaret Thatcher's "spirit" is one of my all-time favorites - http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022641298

[PeaceNikki]

372. Lol, that's awesome.

[beam me up scottie]

373. LMAO! She posts she's leaving, deletes it and then denies the whole thing.

darkangel218
14. Im out of here.

I don't want to be between hating vitriol. You might as well be for death penalty and murder. Assholes!! What goes around comes around!!

And we're the closet Republicans...

[PeaceNikki]

363. Oh shit, she got 2 in this thread! lolz

[Kali]

367. she tends to get on a roll pretty regularly

[zappaman]

374. Cheers Kali!

[Kali]

380. !

hard to believe anybody can get that wasted on watered down water.

[beam me up scottie]

114. HOLY HYPOCRISY, BATMAN!

Why dont you insult me like you did in the other thread??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6550988

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6550978

[darkangel218]

115. Not relevant at all.

[PeaceNikki]

117. amen.

[darkangel218]

120. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6537989

[beam me up scottie]

124. :

[PeaceNikki]

127. l.o.l.

[darkangel218]

129. Yah.I lol'ed too.

Fake accusations and call outs got you a hidden post.

[PeaceNikki]

137. You'd know that much better than I would, that's for sure!!

[darkangel218]

142. Just FYI, i didnt even alert on you.

Your personal attacks are nothing to me. I laugh at what you post.

[PeaceNikki]

144. fun!!! how thrilling for you that must have been!

[beam me up scottie]

171. "Fake accusations and call outs got you a hidden post."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6550988

Well it sure worked for you.

[PeaceNikki]

173. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, that's a cryin' shame.

[beam me up scottie]

179. Isn't it?

Poster had a sad.

[PeaceNikki]

180. He/she had such valuable input on this thread, too!

Who will stand up for poor Kevin Trudeau now?!

[beam me up scottie]

182. He's all alone...

silenced by the fascists.

[beam me up scottie]

119. Whining about insults after calling me a troll is irrelevant?

Logic isn't your forte, is it?

[darkangel218]

123. Democracy is about transparency.

Why are you against transparency??

[beam me up scottie]

132. You know who else hated transparency?

Hitler!

[NuclearDem]

141. Nice troll, Nazi.

[beam me up scottie]

175. I just rec'd this thread.

Like somebody else said, all that's missing is Library Girl.

[beam me up scottie]

99. Just like they silenced Kevin Trudeau?

You are hilarious.

[SidDithers]

143. Holy shit...

This thread just went to 11.

Sid

[PeaceNikki]

155. I know. It's like the Energizer Bunny.

[NuclearDem]

156. THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST THREADS IN HISTORY

[beam me up scottie]

159. We made DU history today.

Our Moon Bombing Ancestors would be so proud...

[SidDithers]

163. I gotta bookmark this one...

It's destined to be a classic.

Many posters: Dr. Oz is a quack.
OP: WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING FELONS!! ARGLE BARGLE.1!!1

Other posters: Dr. Oz is a quack.
OP: WHY DO YOU HATE MICHELLE OBAMA11;1!!



Sid

[NuclearDem]

167. And to make it even better:

OP: Why do you love Republicans?!
Other posters: Dr. Oz is a Republican.
OP: Republicans are liberals on some issues argle bargle

[SidDithers]

168. This thread is so good I had to DU rec it...

It deserves a place of prominence on the DU home page.

Sid

[Scootaloo]

224. Kevin Trudeau claimed AIDS was a hoax and that UV radiation is not a cause of cancer

He also advocated false claims of identity theft as a cure for debt.

Are you just giving us a walking example of Poe's Law with your posts or something?

[JI7]

281. i'm laughing so hard with tears in my eyes

"Just like they silenced Kevin Trudeau"

HAHAHAH

[Dr. Strange]

346. mainly because half the people Kevin Trudeau was with...

believed it until I explained the situation to them


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6739759

[Kali]

364. OMG

good times

[Kali]

490. OMG

Response to xfundy (Reply #68)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 03:45 PM

Star Member darkangel218 (10,543 posts)
80. Of course they are.

Just like they silenced Kevin Trudeau.

The key to happiness and transcendence is inner peace.

[BainsBane]

603. This post wins all the DUs

past, present, and future for the funniest damn comment in history.

[polichick]

138. That's pretty much how it works.

[Logical]

160. No common sense is the attack against him! nt

[longship]

84. I always get my info from quacks, don't you?

Either that, or Oprah. Because she's really intelligent. After all, she promotes both Mehmet "The Quack" Oz and John of God who ought to be in prison for his lunacy.

By all means, continue.

[beam me up scottie]

88. TROLL!

MONSANTO SHILL!

[Major Nikon]

103. Ain't dichotomous thinking a hoot?

http://bpd.about.com/od/glossary/g/dichot.htm

[beam me up scottie]

118. I can't hear you over all the quacking in here.

I should have said I was eating duck.

[longship]

110. You found me out! You bastard!

I love that anti-GMO is being promoted by a quack, who owes his quack fame to a person who thinks John of God is also a good person. The irony is sublime. Unfortunately, some people irony deficiency disorder (thanks to Eugenie Scott for that one).

[beam me up scottie]

122. And a republican.

What irony?

[darkangel218]

96. So anyone asking for GMO labeling is a "quak" , acording to you????

[longship]

121. Nope. But Dr. Oz is a quack.

You would be using a common pseudoscience tactic. It is called erecting a straw man.

And I am against labeling GMO food because there is a demarcation problem. Nearly all food you eat is genetically modified. And humans have been doing it for thousands of years. That is what the anti-GMO folks do not understand.

Meanwhile they trot out quack doctors to support their unscientific opinions.

Why should anybody take such arguments seriously? I certainly don't.

[darkangel218]

125. Ypu are "against labeling GMOs"??

That's all you had to say. Nt

[longship]

136. Yup, because there are no non-genetically modified foods.

None.

[darkangel218]

139. LOL! enough said.

longship
136. Yup, because there are no non-genetically modified foods.
None.

[longship]

169. Science is a bitch. Get used to it.

I often have to set aside beliefs when the science shows me a new way. But the science of GMO has developed over thousands of years. Nobody credibly can claim that cross breeding in the farmer's field is substantially different than doing it in a lab. And whereas inserting genes into a plant or animal is different in some respects, it is not any different in kind from cross-breeding. They both accomplish the same thing, only one is more specific and testable, whereas cross-breeding is like rolling dice.

Now if one wants to make an argument about safety, know this. You have been eating GMO food for decades and there are no known deleterious health effects. None whatsoever. So there's that.

I support regulation, especially with regards to attempts by companies to control markets via GMO. That means Monsanto, and others need to be roped in.

And there also should be regulation on safety and environmental consequences. I am for that as well. But this is the type of thing science does pretty damned well.

Regardless, what you ask for, labeling, is not realistic because all food is genetically modified and there is no clear line of demarcation.

You are all showing your appalling ignorance.

[jeff47]

197. Seedless watermelons

Seedless watermelons are created by dousing a "normal" watermelon with a chemical that causes the plant to have 4 copies of its genes instead of the normal 2. Then the 4-copy plant is bred with a 2-copy plant. The resulting 3-copy plant can't do meiosis, and so can't produce seeds.

You claim that does not require a "GMO" label. Because the rules you support not only do not require a GMO label on that, those rules also allow you to put a "100% organic" and "all-natural" label on that.

Red grapefruit? Created by hitting "normal" grapefruit seeds with radiation, and then picking among the resulting mutations.

You claim that does not require a "GMO" label. Instead, it can have a "100% organic" and "all-natural" label.

Humans turned this:

Into the yellow fruit we call a banana. No "GMO" label required, "100% organic" and "all-natural" labels allowed.

The reason to not slap a "GMO" label on stuff is because it is meaningless. Every single plant we grow is genetically modified. What you want to do is slap a label on the most precise and least-likely to cause harm method of modifying plant genomes. It's also the only technique that actually requires testing the resulting food. You want to label that as dangerous, and bombarding plants with gamma rays and selling the result without any testing as safe.

[beam me up scottie]

140. Why do you hate America?

Think of the children!

[giftedgirl77]

248. What children, haven't you consumed them all???

This has to be one of the best threads I have ever read.

[beam me up scottie]

253. Well I did have help.

I'm not a glutton.

Ikr? I haven't had this much fun in forever.

[onecent]

113. LABEL OUR FOOD! GO DR OZ!

[840high]

274. +10

[tammywammy]

172. This is the best thread I've read in a long time

Full of win!!!

[Gormy Cuss]

181. Oz is a charlatan

and I'm in favor of GMO labeling for food products.

[immoderate]

235. That says it for me.

BTW, I have never seen Dr. Oz. (Didn't he work for the Muppets?)

--imm

[enki23]

184. Anyone who hates Dr Oz also hates diet and exercise.

I heard he also may at some point have liked to pet the cute widdle doggy-woggy. Fucking dog-hating Monsanto shills all over the damn place. Evil bastards who want to make sure nobody eats well or exercises. Because they make more money when people don't exercise. Because people who exercise eat less.... wait.

Well, they fucking hate dogs. I'm sure of that much at least. Dog-hating Monsanto lovers who hate healthy diets and... possibly exercise.

[beam me up scottie]

187. "Fucking dog-hating Monsanto shills"!

[Throd]

189. At least they're better than the dog-fucking Monsanto shills.

[beam me up scottie]

200. So do you hate Michelle Obama too?

Where do you stand on eating healthy?

[Throd]

234. After this thread, I don't know who or what to hate anymore.

Let's just bomb the fucking moon and get it over with.

[giftedgirl77]

266. But wait first we have to find the

Liberal Republican Doctor I've heard so much about, he may have a remedy for this constant quacking I keep hearing.

[beam me up scottie]

278. Maybe the Food Babe will show up next...

There's always hope.

[Throd]

185. So if Charles Manson is also for labeling GMO foods...

[tishaLA]

188. This is unquestionably the thread of the day

more laughs here than I could have anticipated.

For the record, it is entirely possible, and perhaps appropriate, to believe that each of the following can be true silultaneously:

1. Dr Oz is a very talented surgeon with strong academic credentials and, on the basis of those credentials, deserves his posiion at Columbia
2. On his show, Dr Oz sometimes engages in quackery, like supporting methods that lack a basis in scientific fact (i.e., homeopathy, green coffee bean extract, other weight loss "miracles," etc.)
3. One of his failings is not his suspicion toward GMOs and Monsanto, which, at the very least, merits more research and GMO products should be labeled.

[jeff47]

206. 2 is a bit weak.

Half of Dr. Oz's medical advice is false or not backed up by any studies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/19/half-of-dr-ozs-medical-advice-is-baseless-or-wrong-study-says/

So "sometimes" is a bit weak.

which, at the very least, merits more research and GMO products should be labeled.

If I douse a plant with a chemical mutagen, I can sell the results without any testing. And I do not have to put a GMO label on it based on the labeling rules Dr Oz (and Sabrina1 and many others in this thread) supports. In fact, I can put "organic" and "all-natural" labels on it.

We call that plant seedless watermelon.

If I blast a plant with gamma rays, I can sell the results without any testing. And I do not have to put a GMO label on it, and can again put an organic and all-natural label on it.

We call that plant red grapefruit.

The GMOs they want labeled? They actually have to be tested before they can be sold.

If you're worried about safety, you shouldn't be worried about GMOs. You should be worried about the nightshade-tomato hybrid I can sell without any testing at a 100% organic, all-natural market.

[enki23]

233. Yeah, but...colchicine is entirely natural. And definitely organic.

.

[Rex]

237. LOL! Well you know...all these people in your thread are dept heads of surgery at hospitals!

"DUers" that pretend to love science, yet always find a way to defend a corporation til blue in the face...crack me up year after year!

Thankfully it is just a handful of 'skeptics' here that gee...what are there creds again I forget!?

OH RIGHT...graduated from DU college with a PHd in Everything!



Good entertainment! Like anyone in real life would give believe a word they say!



Sorry they tried to ruin your thread, but their replies are priceless!

[Throd]

242. A person can be right about one issue and a shit-filled huckster at the same time.

[NuclearDem]

250. Dr. Oz. LOL.

[Rex]

251. Internet posters that have pretend PHds! LOL.

[NuclearDem]

254. Posters who believe a damn thing Dr. Oz has to say. LOL.

Here's a magic weight loss coffee bean for you! Man, if you think GMOs haven't gone through testing...

[Rex]

258. Posters that defend corporations no matter what. LOL.

The sad things one sees on the DU.

[zappaman]

262. Sorry, but calling out Dr. Oz for being a shady huckster....

does not mean defending corporations.
But I think you knew that so I will let you continue stirring the pot.

[Rex]

277. Pot meet kettle!

[NuclearDem]

270. Posters that think calling Dr. Oz a quack means defending Monsanto. LOL.

I don't think you'd want a side-by-side body count of GM foods and untested "dietary supplements" like Oz peddles.

[Rex]

276. if you think GMOs haven't gone through testing...

[NuclearDem]

282. Was that a typo?

What I find utterly hilarious is that Dr. Oz screams bloody murder about GMOs while pushing untested and largely unregulated magic beans on his TV show.

It's almost like he's full of shit or something!

[Rex]

284. It's almost like he's full of shit or something!

[giftedgirl77]

252. Recommending solely for entertainment purposes...

[MisterP]

256. ACSH are the dirty cops of science: nothing happened at Love Canal

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Council_on_Science_and_Health
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ACSH_Scientific_advisors

[beam me up scottie]

260. This just keeps getting better...

Thanks Obama!

[sabrina 1]

563. Thank you, these are bad people to be allowing to influence anything in this country. Great expose

on them from Mother Jones.

[MisterP]

592. these were all Tobacco Institute alums--who also defended their work in terms of strictest positivsm

ditto these "race realists":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence

[EvolveOrConvolve]

263. Holy shit, this is the greatest thread EVAH!

I'm laughing so hard I think I pooped a little. This thread rates up there with the epic corn-flakes-on-chicken and breast-feeding-at-Olive-Garden shitstorms.

Never have I seen so much FAIL intermixed with so with WIN.

[giftedgirl77]

267. Holy shite....

Like literally?

[Bobbie Jo]

299. THIS THREAD. THIS THREAD!

What is this??!


OMG, I'm crying over here.

[840high]

268. Yeah for Dr. Oz.

[deloresF]

269. Independent Thought

I listened to Dr. Oz on television stating how peanuts can help prevent heart attack. Every day I get problems from my neighbors with odors namely 'CRACK ODORS' I have a medical condition and there are times that I can't get to the doctor, when Dr. Oz gave out that information you can not tell me and get me to believe you that his talk recommending peanuts eating them will prevent a heart attack because those neighbors are very trouble some to me. Just that recommendation he gave out helped me and regardless what anybody says he should have the freedom of speech, everyone can not afford to run to the doctors every time they turn around.

I am supporting Dr. Oz freedom of speech.

[NuclearDem]

272. The plural of anecdote is not data.

[giftedgirl77]

273. WTF is a crack odor & how have you had an account since 09

& this is your first post?

[beam me up scottie]

275. Who is trying to stop him from speaking?

Jeez, people are acting like he's being sent to Gitmo.

[Throd]

279. You can't spell Gitmo without a G an M and an O.

Think about it.

[beam me up scottie]

280. Damn.

You got me.

I didn't even realize I was programmed to do that.

[NuclearDem]

283. Monsanto death camps!

These torture facilities are Roundup Ready!

[Dr. Strange]

349. It does seem odd that you can rearrange the letters in "Monsanto" and spell "Evil Crops".

I mean, you have to add and change some letters, but it works.

[NCTraveler]

320. I hear the government is shutting him down too. nt.

[Kalidurga]

285. Holy Quackers Batman, this is a great thread.

And LG shows up to make it perfect.

[sabrina 1]

295. It certainly is a very revealing thread. Can't say I didn't anticipate the revelations.

[NuclearDem]

296. ...

[sabrina 1]

297. You haven't told us. Do you support Monsanto dictating to the American people regarding what food

they should feed their families? Are you opposed to what 90% of the American want (see OP for documentation) that their food should be labeled, allowing them to decide whether or not they want to feed Genetically Altered Food to their families?

[NuclearDem]

298. Oh, sabrina, I'm going to miss you.

[sabrina 1]

301. Why, where are you going? Care to answer my question before you leave?

[NuclearDem]

326. Oh, I'm not going anywhere...

[beam me up scottie]

286. 4 of the Biggest Quacks Plaguing America with False Claims About Science

4 of the Biggest Quacks Plaguing America with False Claims About Science
From the Food Babe to Dr. Oz, these four are the media’s biggest fear-mongers and snake-oil peddlers.
By Cliff Weathers / AlterNet



1. Dr. Joseph Mercola.
2. The "Health Ranger,” Mike Adams.
3. The “Food Babe,” Vani Hari.
4. Dr. Mehmet Oz.

What do Vani Hari, Dr. Joseph Mercola and Mike Adams have in common? They’re all guest experts appearing on the Dr. Oz Show.

...

In November 2012, Dr. Oz invited Julie Hamilton, a representative of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, who claimed that she could heal homosexuality with gay reparative therapy. Although the show did include guests who condemned reparative therapy, Dr. Oz never weighed in on the subject, and the audience was led to believe that there were valid arguments on both sides of this issue.

His proclamation on Oprah that resveratrol is an effective anti-aging supplement sparked a resveratrol marketing craze. Numerous fly-by-night online peddlers used his name and likeness (along with the likenesses of age-defying actresses Jennifer Aniston and Marisa Tomei) to peddle the so-called miracle supplement. But it's anyone's guess what was in those pills.

Oz has invited a medium on his show who told selected audience members that she was communicating with their lost loved ones.

Oz once invited a faith healer, Issam Nemeh, to “heal” sick audience members on his show. On his website, Oz bragged about the “Oz Effect”: “Dr. Nemeh has received an overwhelming response from the viewers of the Dr. Oz show. Medical office appointments with Dr. Nemeh are already filled for the next four months.”

http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/four-biggest-quacks-plaguing-america-their-bad-claims-about-science

GO DR OZ!

USA! USA! USA!

[NuclearDem]

287. Oh dear that's a veritable list of herp derp.

[beam me up scottie]

288. Lgbt organizations weren't very happy with him for that first stunt.

But ratings.

[progressoid]

368. ^^^this^^^

[beam me up scottie]

377. Are you laughing at him? While he's being PERSECUTED???

Oh the humanity!

[progressoid]

386. Even Columbia Medical School is persecuting him

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026556154

[beam me up scottie]

388. I was just going to post that!

Great scienc-y minds and all that.

[JTFrog]

294. One does not simply....

[sabrina 1]

334. Looks like Monsanto does, and who would know better than the GMO corporations themselves

what they are hiding from the American people? They sure are pretty desperate to try to shut him up. To the point of hiring convicted Medicaid Frauds to do so.

When the only response to the facts is to attack the messenger, and it seems every messenger who speaks out against their control over our food supply, is attacked, so it's kind of a stale and weak reaction at this point, it becomes more and more obvious they do not want to talk about the message.

Makes people wonder even more 'what are they hiding'. As more and more countries ban their products, their tactics seem more desperate.

[beam me up scottie]

312. 10 quack treatments Dr. Oz needs to defend

10 quack treatments Dr. Oz needs to defend
Posted by Dr. Jen Gunter

Dr. Oz promises to come out swinging on Thursday, both against the 10 physicians who wrote a letter to the Dean of Medicine at Columbia and to defend himself against the charges of quakery.

Here are 10 of his recommendations I’d like to see him explain/defend with science (i.e. provide medical evidence above personal experience). Medical textbook or studies (preferable) are required (no case reports or retrospective case series of 10 or fewer patients allowed).

1. Communicating with the dead.

2. Detoxing.

3. What is a toxin and why do so many people have them?

4. Multivitamins (apart from women trying to conceive or pregnant women).

5. Reiki.

6. Homeopathy.

7. Appearances of Joe Merola on the Dr. Oz show when frequently Oz doesn’t directly endorse his claims. Pro-tip: being a maverick in medicine means questioning poorly done studies and ill-conceived national guidelines or discovering something new and proving it with science, not questioning the laws of physics and ignoring medical evidence in favor of expensive “natural” products.

8. HepasilDTX.

9. Vitamin D to prevent colds/cancer/reverse aging.

10. Every single weight loss “miracle” mentioned on the show. OK that’s too many, let’s start with these 10.

https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/10-quack-treatments-dr-oz-needs-to-defend/

This is about more than GMO labeling. To pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

Critics of Dr Oz have called him out repeatedly for his ethically questionable shilling for the alternative medicine industry.

See also: Dear Columbia University it’s not about academic freedom it’s about ethics and liver cleanses

and Dr. Oz and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

[zappaman]

314. Greatest thread of 2015!

"Liberal doctor"!

[sabrina 1]

316. Well I wouldn't go that far. What do you think of Dr. Ross? Right winger convicted of fraud for

ripping off Medicaid in NY State, served several years in prison. lost his medical license, then has the gall to accuse a doctor of 'fraud'?

Monsanto is scraping the bottom of the barrel to try to deprive Americans of their right to have labels on GMOs so THEY, rather than Monsanto, can decide what to feed their families.

Hey, Zappaman, where do YOU stand on labeling GMOs?

Go Dr. Oz!

Oz and Michelle Obama, both attacked by the same Right Wing tools of Monsanto.

Shame, isn't it, that these morons would deprive America's children of a healthy diet.

How do YOU feel about the First Lady's program?

Dr Oz supported her efforts. Probably another reason why these Right Wingers hate him.

[Autumn]

330. Sent you the jury results on your post

[Rex]

385. LOL! Like any one of them would give you their position on something.

Much easier to just mock like children on a playground. It is after all, the BEST they can do year after years!

[sabrina 1]

391. Attacking the messenger. Not me, I mean Dr Oz in this case. He's right of course about our right to

have foods labeled. That audacity of these Corporations to think they have any right to deny Americans what 90% of them WANT and what 64 other countries have. Their opinion of AMericans is pretty low I think.

Just saw his show. I have to say he did a thorough exposure of the 'Drs' who did Monsanto's dirty work. Pretty covered in this OP btw.

All are Corporate connected, at least one a convicted felon.

The people will have to fight hard against these Corporations and offer our support to those who put themselves in the firing line, as OZ did because they are ruthless and will swallow up anyone who crosses them.

[Rex]

392. Well all 5 of the BFFs in here seem to hate the idea of transparency!

Seems to be a theme for them on DU.

[beam me up scottie]

394. Actually I hate kooky conspiracy theories about pseudo-scientists.

I'm all about transparency, so is NdT.

But you go on with your big bad straw man.

Here's a companion for him: We hate Michelle Obama too.

And the baby Jesus.

[PeaceNikki]

395. I ate baby Jesus

[beam me up scottie]

397. You cad!

I was saving him for breakfast!

[Rex]

398. So you are all for labelling all food products that reach the family table?

Of course you are, good to know!

[beam me up scottie]

400. I'm for labeling everything on the fucking planet!

Stamp that GMO label on Elsie the cow!

Moo juice is GMO poison!

SAVE DR OZ!

[Rex]

403. SO that is a yes! I know it must be hard to be serious

since you guys lost this debate the moment you showed up.

Funny who here hates the idea of transparency...thankfully that is not you!

[beam me up scottie]

408. Oh, I'm totes seriose. Elsie's got it coming.

The op was such an intelligent and scientific smack-down on GMOs, I just had to give it what it deserved.



Label every piece of fruit and vegetable, every stalk of wheat, hell let's do it with lasers!!!

[Rex]

410. LOL!

[beam me up scottie]

418. You do realize that all of our fruit and vegetables are gmo, right?

Even the ones that say "Organic".

So if we label everything that is genetically modified it will mean absolutely nothing.

Science is hard.

[Rex]

428. LOL! The GMO corporations thank you for your total non-scientific reply!

ROFL! Thanks for keeping me LOL! So what is next, Mr. Science!?



WOW...all of Ozzys detractors hate the idea of labeling food products! WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED!

Again...nice try!

[beam me up scottie]

432. That's not me - you're arguing with Neil Degrasse Tyson- the scientist.

Neil deGrasse Tyson on liberal science denial and GMOs

So when asked about labeling campaigns for GMO foods,

“I don’t care if you want to label GMOs in the grocery store, but do so knowing that you will be labeling 80-90% of the food on the shelves, or go ahead and tell me you want to remove all GMOs from food, and know that the same 80-90% of food will have to be removed.”

...

“People need to know cows don’t exist in the wild, we have been modifying our food for over 10,000 years, and you need to know this stuff! You have to make informed decisions, I am not telling you to embrace GMOs, but know the facts!”

The anti-GMO left makes a lot of compelling sounding arguments about getting back to nature, eating more healthy and natural foods, but Tyson doesn’t think this is the right argument

“The advocates keep saying ‘lets go back to nature’, but those cows don’t exist in nature, corn doesn’t exist, those red apples you love don’t exist, we genetically engineered all of that. Don’t pretend what is going on in the laboratory is fundamentally different than what is going on in agriculture.


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2014/08/neil-degrasse-tyson-on-liberal-science-denial-and-gmos/

Splain why he's wrong, Rex.

I'm dying to watch you school Neil.

He also said "We need to be having rational conversations about these issues, instead of just repeating your opinion."

Let's have a rational conversation.

[Rex]

433. So now after trying hard to tease and taunt, you want a rational conversation?

ALL this over the fact that MOST people want their food labeled! NO WHERE DID I say GMOs need to be removed!

Another FAIL!

[beam me up scottie]

439. You asked about science, can't you answer the question?

More deflection?

Explain why NdT is wrong.

Almost 50% of Americans think Creationism is an alternative scientific theory.

Popular beliefs about science are irrelevant.

[Rex]

441. I didn't ask anything, you keep pretending to be able to read my mind!

Not very scientific of you...just FYI!

[beam me up scottie]

448. Yes, you did.

So what is next, Mr. Science!?

Putting aside your sexist references to my gender, why do you keep deflecting?

[Rex]

450. Nice cheap attempt and fail!

I'm not deflecting at all, foods need labels and nothing needs to be removed...why are you in such a panic now?

Lose a little debate did you?

[beam me up scottie]

456. Unless you can explain why Tyson is wrong you've lost this "debate".

I've addressed the science repeatedly and you haven't.

"LABEL GMOS" sounds like a good liberal slogan but it's quite meaningless.

[Rex]

461. I understand that you gave up and now hide behind someone not posting here

nor can answer my questions.

Seriously, you can be anti-democratic on DU...plenty people LOVE the idea of secrecy from the public!

BUT you said it was because, 'people are stupid'.

So yes, from a scientific point of view you lost the first moment you said something like that!

FYI.

[PeaceNikki]

399. Sorry. He was stringy.

[beam me up scottie]

402. Should have let him marinate longer.

GMO babies are better when soaked in Round Up for 48 hours.

LOVE this thread!

[PeaceNikki]

406. But you're clearly pissed off, squirmy, dodgey and shifting uncomfortably.

Lol

If only darkangel were here to point out the trolls!!

[Rex]

409. I love watching you pretend that labelling food is all about Dr. Oz!

Don't be mad...

[NuclearDem]

416. Yep, you and sabrina really showed us!

[beam me up scottie]

421. Why do you hate transparency, Nazi?

[PeaceNikki]

417. You must have a tough time deciphering emotions in written word.

[beam me up scottie]

414. I know, we were totally pwned!

Who can argue with teh powerful logic that dissing Oz the quack and powerful = sid hates Michelle Obama.

I wonder what our little angel is doing now...

[Rex]

419. Well you guys did flop all over yourselves to avoid the issue! That was funny!

If Ozzy came out and said he was against labeling, you would be in here defending him to the hilt!

[beam me up scottie]

423. See, that's where you're wrong. Oz is a liar and a corporate shill.

Unlike you and your pals I care about the science, not celebrity endorsements.

Pretending that we're the enemies because you don't understand science is weak and pathetic.

And very Republican.

[Rex]

425. .

You care about science!?!? THAT IS FUNNY!



Nice try, maybe one day you will care about what is in your food but trying to pretend to be all scientific about it...ROFL!

[beam me up scottie]

429. Explain the science then, Rex.

By all means, edjumacate me.

Tell me in your own words why GMO are bad for you.

[Rex]

431. Aww...you mad bro!?

Seriously...is it ALL or just 90%...I want to SO believe you but you keep changing your 'facts'!

Don't be mad, all people want is for food to be labeled, so why is it that the 5 bffs in here cannot accept that fact and can only act like children?

Yeah...the rest of us know why!

[beam me up scottie]

434. No, you're actually very amusing.

Kind of like an annoying mosquito buzzing around

"bzzzzzzzzzzzGMObzzzzzzzzzzzzBFFSbzzzzzzzzzzTRANSPARENCYbzzzzzzzzGODROZ"

Science is not a democracy, and the American public is dumb to the point of endangering our planet with their blind stupidity.

Yeah...the rest of us know why!

Why?

[Rex]

435. Yeah I understand why you hate the idea of democracy and an open soceity!

[beam me up scottie]

464. Yes, I'm a Nazi who hates Michelle Obama and eats babies, too.

Non-organic ones, nuked.

Your friend already covered all that, please keep up.

[PeaceNikki]

467. plus we learned that you're a boy troll.

[Rex]

471. My my...

[beam me up scottie]

474. Where would we be without good DUers who make up shit about us?

Crying in our beers with darkangel?

[Rex]

483. "So if we label everything that is genetically modified it will mean absolutely nothing."

[Rex]

468. IF you say so! LOL! What happened to all this concern over science? Right, there was none ever there

Thanks for keeping me entertained! You few in here hurt your cause so much...but I don't expect you to be able to comprehend what I mean in the least bit.

[In_The_Wind]

577. Oh my goodness ...

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[beam me up scottie]

578. Sometimes it's easier to just go with it, you know?

Takes all the fun out of it.

[In_The_Wind]

579. heh heh heh

[Kalidurga]

580. OMG it's Tommy Lee Jones cat!!!!

[In_The_Wind]

588. ...

[NuclearDem]

404. You know...

You know, in any other context, nobody on DU would get away with defending a Republican and McCain donor pushing unregulated, untested, and very likely deadly pills and drugs on people, but I guess some people will believe anything as long as the asshole says "Monsanto is after me!"

None of the shit Dr. Oz pushes is labeled. Why the fuck does he get to demand it from GMOs?

[Rex]

407. So you are against labelling food products, thanks!

You few can try and make a lot of noise about Oz...but the point he made stands and it just cannot be challenged. I understand.

[NuclearDem]

415. I'm against the labeling of GM foods, yes.

Because it either has to be general to the point of meaninglessness or jargon-laden to the point of being incomprehensible.

It's also a stupid fucking organic industry marketing campaign, and the organic industry has admitted to it countless times. Plenty of foods are labeled GMO-free and organic. Go buy them and stop forcing organic's bullshit on the rest of us.

[Rex]

420. .

OF COURSE YOU ARE!

EDIT - SO normal food can get labels, but NOT GM foods!



So obvious...shame you fool so many people!

[NuclearDem]

486. "So obvious...shame you fool so many people!"

Good, because I wasn't exactly trying to keep it a secret in the first place.

But if you want to think you tricked it out of me or something, I can pretend you did!

[NuclearDem]

401. Dr. Oz did a special on the doctors going after him?

Well that's clearly a neutral source!

[beam me up scottie]

317. Can I just say...

[beam me up scottie]

315. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a Monsanto Shill

Neil deGrasse Tyson on liberal science denial and GMOs

So when asked about labeling campaigns for GMO foods,

“I don’t care if you want to label GMOs in the grocery store, but do so knowing that you will be labeling 80-90% of the food on the shelves, or go ahead and tell me you want to remove all GMOs from food, and know that the same 80-90% of food will have to be removed.”

Yet this is a debate we will have to face, and how do we do that?

“You have to adjust peoples point of view on the topic.”

“People need to know cows don’t exist in the wild, we have been modifying our food for over 10,000 years, and you need to know this stuff! You have to make informed decisions, I am not telling you to embrace GMOs, but know the facts!”

The anti-GMO left makes a lot of compelling sounding arguments about getting back to nature, eating more healthy and natural foods, but Tyson doesn’t think this is the right argument

“The advocates keep saying ‘lets go back to nature’, but those cows don’t exist in nature, corn doesn’t exist, those red apples you love don’t exist, we genetically engineered all of that. Don’t pretend what is going on in the laboratory is fundamentally different than what is going on in agriculture.

We need to be having rational conversations about these issues, instead of just repeating your opinion.”

Tyson did say that speaking up for GMO science has made him an “Enemy of the liberals, they keep claiming I must have been paid off by Monsanto.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2014/08/neil-degrasse-tyson-on-liberal-science-denial-and-gmos/

Hmmm, who should I listen to, an ethically bankrupt industry shill like Oz, or a liberal scientist with impeccable credentials like Tyson?

[Orrex]

332. Tyson is a shill for Warner Brothers

As heard in the latest Batman v. Superman trailer.

Ergo GMOs are kryptonite.

[Throd]

339. Tyson makes GMO chicken.

[Orrex]

340. It's all so clear to me now.

[beam me up scottie]

361. So is Patrick Leahy.

Therefore Vermonters are corrupt Hollywood shills.

No, really: http://www.republicreport.org/2012/leahy-batman/

As a fellow Vermonter, I welcome our liberal elite overlords.

[Orrex]

365. Ergo Patrick Leahy is Neil DeGrasse Tyson

QED.

Hey! Now that I think of it, "QED" also means Quantum Electro Dynamics, which is right up Tyson/Leahy's alley.



Whoa.

[beam me up scottie]

384. Quick! Alert Dr. Oz!

They have to be exposed, maybe Oprah could do a show.

Hey, Dr. Phil could join forces with Oz!


Thanks for that foisting that one on America too, Oprah.

[progressoid]

379. But Neil had that COSMOS show on Fox

So it's not too far fetched to think that he goes to weekend BBQs at Roger Ailes' house.

Think about it.

[beam me up scottie]

381. I forgot about that.

I've been duped!

Those evil science-ists are sure slick.

Good thing Dr. Oz is on the job.

[zappaman]

351. Kicking this marvelous thread!

Judging by many of the posts, albeit mostly from one poster, its where logic comes to die!

[beam me up scottie]

357. Awesome thread is awesome.

But we're "running scared", remember?

Stop having such a good time, you'll ruin the fantasy.

[misterhighwasted]

378. Dr OZ's show today (thurs 4/23) was damned eye opening as to who is behind the move to discredit OZ

Makes sense since it is the way 'Big Everything in the World' takes out anyone who is not supporting them.
I will stand with Dr Oz and those who support health over GMO profits

Fight on OZ

[NuclearDem]

389. Dr. Oz's show revealed to who's going after Dr. Oz?

[misterhighwasted]

390. Hillarious isn't it. Monsanto, GMO strong-arming ? No Waaay..that'd make anyone laugh

Did you watch his show? His defense was the same truth we say here on DU as to Monsanto/ GMO.

I don't share your humor, I guess.

[NuclearDem]

396. Wow, you guys actually believe that.

He's under fire because he pushes bogus "cures" and magic beans, not because he's in favor of GMO labeling.

This pathetic attempt at diversion with him claiming he's being persecuted suckered in all the right people.

[misterhighwasted]

424. And you can let Monsanto sucker people into buying their poisons.

Enjoy that bowl of GMO poison in the morning.
Suckers are a plenty.

[NuclearDem]

484. Still waiting for evidence that shows GM foods are less safe than conventional foods.

[misterhighwasted]

498. Look it up yourself. Not like it's a new concept. I'm not wasting my time on your pissing match.

We've discussed the subject many times on DU.
Go ahead and google it Mr. Monsanto.

[NuclearDem]

508. You're the one making the claim here. You provide the evidence.

It's not the audience's responsibility to do your work for you.

[misterhighwasted]

515. Stay off my posts. I don't owe you an answer. I'm not the one disagreeing with the OP.

BYE..IGNORE
You have nothing to say of relevance to me.
Monsanto is just another criminal corporation.
I don't give a shit if you disagree.
My posts here are intended for the OP.

Argue with someone else.

[zappaman]

516. Sorry, but this is a discussion board.

Anybody can reply to anybody else.
And sometimes people will ask you to back up a statement.
If you can't...oh well.
Perhaps you should create your own board where no one can post to you but those you deem worthy.

[misterhighwasted]

518. LOL. No shit its a discussion board.

My discussion is with the OP.
I don't have to listen to someone shilling for Monsanto of all people
Enjoy your night.

[beam me up scottie]

523. "I don't have to listen to someone shilling for Monsanto of all people"

That's a nasty accusation you're throwing around, got any proof of it?

[NuclearDem]

528. They never do.

[beam me up scottie]

531. You know, I can mix it up with the best of them on DU,

but the way critics of Oz were smeared in this thread is reprehensible.

[NuclearDem]

533. Par for the course.

One day Skinner and EarlG will do the right thing with them.

[misterhighwasted]

529. Time to beam yourself off to bed.

Monsanto sucks. There's my proof.
Take a break maybe.
BYE

[beam me up scottie]

532. Sorry, mister, I'm not going anywhere.

If you can't back up your claim you should apologize.

[snooper2]

591. can I have a discussion with you Mr. Wasted?

[NuclearDem]

526. You made a claim directed to me. You need to provide evidence for your claim.

If you're not comfortable with debate, don't make claims.

Also, you don't get to dictate who does or doesn't respond to you on a message board.

[misterhighwasted]

534. Baiting me now are ya? I don't owe any of you shit. Trashin this thread

..and if you don't like my answer too bad.
You pissin match with me is over.
Have fun.

[NuclearDem]

536. I'm not baiting you. You made a claim, provide your evidence.

Asking for evidence to support a claim is not baiting.

[sabrina 1]

411. It thoroughly exposed them, see OP for similar information. I'm glad that millions got to see that

because those Corporate Doctors were trying to pass themselves off as neutral. It was good to see their connections to Corporate interests exposed not to mention Dr Ross, the convicted felon, daring to call Oz a fraud, when he himself went to jail for actual fraud.

Right Wingers all, belong to Conservative groups. No self awareness, surely Ross knew people would be a little shocked that he of all people who lost his own medical license, would have the gall to attack another Doctor. But that's right wingers for you.

[Rex]

413. Not a single one of them can be serious! Notice all they can do is act like school children?

It would be impossible for them to just come out and say they hate transparency! It would mean their agenda was too obvious.

[misterhighwasted]

426. That's how I see it also sabrina1.

Good post & I will stand for the one guy calling out the lying behemoth Monsanto & the RW corporate criminals that rub their operation.

[Major Nikon]

475. Dr Oz believes in talking to dead people and water memory

Along with using the Force to heal yourself and all sorts of other wacky nonsense.

Does he really need someone else to discredit him?

[Rex]

387. K&R for pissing off all the right people!

Great thread! I LOVE watching them squirm, dodge and shift uncomfortably in their seats! You blew them away and they hover around this thread now, because they know you owned them outright!

Bravo!

[orpupilofnature57]

412. Say what you want about OZ, Monsanto is our enemy . n/t

[Rex]

422. IT is sad watching people in here want labelling for food products...just NOT GM foods!

Could they be any more obvious!? I think not!

[beam me up scottie]

427. Up to 90% of the food in your grocery store is from GMOs.

Milk, fruit and veggies, even organic baby food.

So tell me what good would labeling everything "GMO" would do?

You act like GMO is a corporation and not a science-based agricultural practice that's been around for over 10,000 years.

You do know the difference, right?

[Rex]

430. 'You do realize that all of our fruit and vegetables are gmo, right?'

LOL! SO easy are you to make flop all over your OWN statements!

You do realize you lost this debate long ago?

No.

You probably have no clue.

:rofl

[beam me up scottie]

436. Answer my questions, bro. Tell me why NdT is wrong.

If you have a clue, please produce it.

Cuz all I'm seeing is shrill cheerleading for your buddy and no substance.



Address the science, Rex.

[Rex]

437. Amazing that YOU would say shrill!

Simply amazing!

Hey, don't worry...a lot of other people hate democracy too! Thanks for admitting to it, most won't!

[beam me up scottie]

444. Can't address the topic at hand, bro?

Explain why Tyson is wrong.

[Rex]

447. If only I thought for a single second you were serious.

But all that school yard taunting makes me think...no...not at all serious!

[beam me up scottie]

453. Then address the posts I made about Oz.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6553098

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6552691

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6553128

And in case you haven't looked in the mirror today, you and your pals have been lying about my motives since I started posting here.

So just stop pretending you're above it all.

[Rex]

455. Let's see you called me an insect and then said I was Republican-ish.

Does that world of yours have any mirrors? I must be amazing to be able to type like you do and be such a huge hypocrite!


"I was for democracy, before I was against it." "Oh why are you against it now?" "Cause people are stupid!"

-beam me up scottie

[Rex]

438. Too bad I cannot rec this a 2nd time!

Amazing that some post on a forum called Democratic Underground...yet HATE the idea of democracy and an open society!

I LOVE watching them admit to this! LOVE IT!

[PeaceNikki]

440. Not to mention Michelle Obama, freedom and Oprah!!

[Rex]

442. Another very scientific and rational reply I must say!

[PeaceNikki]

443. Amen, sister.

Amen

[beam me up scottie]

446. Hey, bro!

How's it hangin, stud?

[Rex]

449. ROFL! You two...

Can't come up with anything, so you try cheap and easy!



THIS THREAD ROCKS!

"I was for democracy, before I was against it." "Oh why are you against it now?" "Cause people are stupid!"

OH HOH HOH OHOHOHOHO...the SCIENCE behind ya'lls way of thinking is EARTH SHATTERING!

[beam me up scottie]

451. Just pointing out the sexist references to my gender.

Laugh it up, bro.

[Rex]

452. Again, nice try at making an issue out of nothing, but that IS all you got left.

"I was for democracy, before I was against it." "Oh why are you against it now?" "Cause people are stupid!"

SAYS SOMEONE TRYING TO BE ALL SCIENTIFIC LIKE!

[beam me up scottie]

454. No, it's actually quite annoying to be repeatedly addressed as a man.

Your friend darkangel did the same thing but I let it go cuz she got bounced.

[Rex]

458. She got bounced? She is my friend?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=286706

Do you ever tell the truth about anything? Just curious, because I seem to keep catching you in one lie after the other.

[beam me up scottie]

460. She's out of this thread, isn't she?

Your calling me a liar shows that you're as honest as she was.

[Rex]

463. Why would I know? Oh right she is my friend...anything to help your crumbling

narrative!

[beam me up scottie]

466. So, I wasn't lying after all?

Classy apology, Rex.

[Rex]

470. LOL!

I'm sorry you exposed yourself as someone that hates democracy, but please don't take it out on other people! You only have yourself to blame for the words you type!

[PeaceNikki]

457. lol, cuz it's super logical to turn criticism of Oz into an indictment of Michelle Obama and

a call for sympathy for Kevin Trudeau.

This thread has been a mess since "go".

[Rex]

459. No, this thread is a WIN since go...it would have fallen like a rock

but a few had to show up and tell the rest of us why labeling SOME foods is okay...OTHERS, not so much!

THEN the truth comes out! Democracy sucks...because people are stupid!

[beam me up scottie]

469. Now Rex has turned it into an homage to Pee Wee Herman.

He really thinks he won, maybe we should let him have this "victory".

I get the feeling he doesn't have the opportunity to feel this good about his debating skills often.

Deal?

[PeaceNikki]

472. .

[beam me up scottie]

478. Quick, to the Batcave, fearless shill!

Our work here is done!

[Rex]

481. .

[Rex]

473. Awww...

Yeah your on words really screwed everything up for the 5 of you in this thread!

Not that you were here to be serious in the first place...narrative destroyed!

[zappaman]

476. Why do you hate democracy!?

[Rex]

479. .

Good question! No doubt you will actually overlook the post where she said exactly that!

[beam me up scottie]

480. Jesus gave PeaceNikki indigestion.

Serves them right for kidnapping him from the fridge...

[PeaceNikki]

482. i blame a baby-rich diet

[sabrina 1]

491. Michelle Obama AND Oprah have both been targets of these right wing corporations.

The First Lady encouraging children to eat healthy food, is a threat to the Fast Food industry. Oprah didn't want to eat beef, so they went after her with a vengeance. They are pretty ruthless morons, I would not want to find myself doing their dirty work, ever

Oz won't be left alone because he dared to talk about food also, made a simple request, just label our food. And all hell broke loose.

It's pretty frightening to see how far they will go to silence people.

[Rex]

445. But, but sabrina! We cannot HAVE transparency! Democracy is only good for when it is convenient!

LOLOLOL!!! This thread is COMEDY GOLD!

I was FOR democracy, before I was against it!

[Rex]

477. But but...SCIENCE! SCIENCE! SCIENCE sabrina1!

LMFAO!

[Logical]

485. AND wants to sell you coffee bean that burns fat!!!! He is a farce. nt

[sabrina 1]

493. Monsanto wants to control your entire food market. They ARE controlling it so you don't have any

choice BUT to buy their products. I don't have to buy what Oz may be selling. See the difference? I have a choice.

All 90% of Americans want is that food be labeled.

Two labels would do.

'GMO PRODUCT and GMO FREE PRODUCT.

Why are they fighting so hard to deny Americans what most other civilized nations have?

If you are having a problem with someone asking you to buy something, even though you are under threat of being forced to do so, you must be outraged over a Giant Corporation forcing you to buy their products

That would only logical wouldn't it?

[Logical]

504. 90% of Americans believe in God. Nice try. nt

[Logical]

505. I do agree with you that I have no issue with labeling them. But my point is that I don't think....

they are dangerous.

[sabrina 1]

538. The more they refuse to label their foods, the more people think they are dangerous.

It's also about denying people a right that they believe they are entitled to, to be able to make a choice.

Their bullying, almost Mafia style tactics is making them so unpopular that people are now willing to believe they must be hiding something. We do have a right to know what we are buying. It's almost ludicrous at this point to refuse to do it.

-

[NuclearDem]

510. Or here's a brilliant idea:

A label that says GMO FREE, and basic common sense that sees anything without that label as likely containing GMOs!

Oh wait, that already exists!

[TheSarcastinator]

487. a lot of people are VERY easy to swindle

and Dr. Oz knows it. All he has to do is mouth the words "diet and exercise" and tell people to fear GMOs and "Big Pharma" and the suckers line up around the block to defend this shyster and all of his ridiculous, unscientific claims. It's astounding and depressing.

[beam me up scottie]

492. Sorry Dr. Oz and Jenny McCarthy: More scientific proof vaccines, GMOs don’t cause autism

Sorry Dr. Oz and Jenny McCarthy: More scientific proof vaccines, GMOs don’t cause autism

Autism is a term that strikes fear in the hearts of parents and fuels contentious arguments among friends, families, and internet strangers.

Though the 1998 Andrew Wakefield study linking the MMR vaccine to autism has been thoroughly debunked, parents continue to fear childhood vaccines to this day. This is partially due to celebrity quacks like Jenny McCarthy, Rob Schneider, Mayim Bialik, and sadly even Dr. Oz perpetuating the myth that vaccines are harmful.

Not only has Dr. Oz recently added his fuel to the anti-vaccine fire, but he’s planted the seed of GMO-autism misinformation into the collective American consciousness. He recently featured Zen Honeycutt of anti-GMO group Moms Across America, giving her a national platform to make fabricated claims that eliminating GMOs “cured” her son’s autism.

Despite the loud voices of disinformation, the scientific community has overwhelmingly agreed that there is no causal link between vaccines or GMOs and autism. Scientists previously learned that a combination of numerous, very common heritable variants contribute significantly to autism risk. These variants don’t individually increase an individual’s autism risk; the causal factor is inheriting specific permutations of these variants.

http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/12/01/sorry-dr-oz-and-jenny-mccarthy-more-scientific-proof-vaccines-gmos-dont-cause-autism/

[sabrina 1]

496. You shouldn't get yourself so upset over a thread on an internet forum. I'm gettng worried about you

Don't get why people work themselves up over something on the internet..Try to calm down, it's not the end of the world when someone doesn't agree with you!

[beam me up scottie]

499. People who push anti-vaccine agendas piss me off.

Most liberals feel the same way.

ymmv

Michelle Obama!!!

[Texasgal]

495. This thread is comedy GOLD!!

I just LOVE DU sometimes!!!

[sabrina 1]

497. I know, it's hilarious how upset people get themselves because someone on the internet has an

opinion the don't like.

It's the most fun I've had since my threads on the TSA!

Those were hilarious, people actually PMing me to tell me 'gotcha'!

[Texasgal]

500. Oh geeze Sabrina!

Lighten up!

This thread *is* funny! Look at some of the responses! DU ain't that serious honey!

[sabrina 1]

544. I agreed with you. Watching a half a dozen people so upset over poor Monsanto? Reminds of this:

Hilariously funny.

[zappaman]

506. You shouldn't get yourself so upset over a thread on an internet forum. I'm gettng worried about you

Don't get why people work themselves up over something on the internet..Try to calm down, it's not the end of the world when someone doesn't agree with you!

[beam me up scottie]

507. When someone equates criticizing a quack with hating Michelle Obama

we should be worried.



And embarrassed.

[Buzz Clik]

524. Good gawd. I'm afraid too much. The stupid might be contagious.

[blackspade]

502. Facinating OP.

However, Dr OZ is a shyster of the highest order IMO.

But these assholes attacking him are even worse.
Label Now.

[Buzz Clik]

522. "Doctor" Fucking Oz? And people are slamming DeGrasse Tyson????!!!

Holy flying shit.

[beam me up scottie]

525. SAVE DR PHIL! SAVE DR PHIL, oops, I mean OZ!

Wait, what are we doing again?

[MellowDem]

530. You don't want to be with Dr. Oz....

The guy is a charlatan that preys on gullible people. Doesn't mean the GMOs are great, they're both bad.

This isn't a first Amendment issue. The government isn't trying to silence Dr. Oz.

[sabrina 1]

546. I don't care who the messenger is. But when a Giant Corporation fights so hard to deny rights

to the American people that every other civilized country's government has granted them, I will defend any messenger who speaks out about that.

Whatever he's selling no one is forcing anyone to buy it.

What Monsanto is selling we ARE being FORCED to buy it.

And when they go after someone who dares to raise that very legitimate point, using their usual mafia style tactics, I will defend that person.

And no matter what anyone thinks of him, he does a microphone which we do not, so good for him for using it to stand up to these monstrous Corporations who are RULING this country right nowl.

All the have to is label their GMOs. 'GMO PRODUCT' and 'GMO FREE PRODUCT' That gives us the choice we are entitled to,

Right now they are controlling our food supply and that is wrong, period and anyone who takes them on deserves to be supported, our elected officials aren't doing much about it.

[MellowDem]

593. Didn't mean to say GMOs are bad...

In my previous post, as there is no evidence they are, but meant the giant Agro-monopolies like Monsato.

Anyways, there are people who are liberals out there pushing for GMO labelling. I'm all for it, but I don't think GMOs are bad either.

Why throw your support behind a conservative fraud that lies to people about health benefits and causes harm?

[sabrina 1]

595. I don't know if they are bad or not. And since we don't know, the public shouldn't be forced to be

guinea pigs for any Corporation, without their consent. A Whistle Blower, a Scientist who worked for 30 years on GMOs, stopped supporting them because he has concerns that they may not be safe. He goes into detail about his concerns. He himself now has an organic garden and wants no GMO products, seeds, or any of their insecticides anywhere near him.

He decided to speak out because he knew that lies were told to the people.

He said he wasn't the only one who expressed concerns, that other scientists did also but they were not allowed to put those concerns in writing, or speak publicly about them. Other people who worked for Monsanto have made similar claims

When it comes to the health of my family, I want to know for sure that they are not being fed food that even might be harmful. What is possible according to scientists is that since GMOs are still in the early stages of development, and in the 'lab tests' which would be US, we don't know that five years from now, they WILL discover that they were not safe, as Monsanto has said.

Monsanto lied about a lot of things, and I tend not to trust anyone who has a habit of lying.

As for Dr. Oz, I don't much about him. I am not interested in the smear campaigns that these Giant Corps start against anyone who threatens their bottom line.

I know that he is right on this. We DO have a right to make the choice. Just label them . IF they are so great, what are they worried about?

I wouldn't voluteer to be a Guinea Pig, and I sure don't want to be forced to be one.

Thanks for your comment, I agree with most of what you said, I would simply like to see labels stating 'GMO PRODUCT' and GMO FREE PRODUCT' so that I can decide, not Monsanto, what I want to eat.

[Kali]

601. "...I tend not to trust anyone who has a habit of lying."

I think this is the crux of the thread. You say this but then show support to a person who seems to have the exact same habit.

and before I get called a Monsanto shill, I am very much on the pro-labeling side.

we all want to find voices out there that agree with our points of view and indeed sometimes "enemies" or idiots, or other folks we would never associate with, can appear to be, or even may actually be allies, but when we go so far as to embrace and defend them against legitimate criticism and even ridicule we damage our own credibility.

[lovemydog]

545. Thanks for all the laughs everyone!

This is one of the funniest damn threads ever.

P.S. My stand on labeling. I like Ben & Jerry so I figure they're probably pretty good on this one. I like sabrina 1 as well. So I'll vote for labeling. And I don't care if any other pro-labelers have been seen with any other people, good or bad!

[Agschmid]

549. I can't...

[hrmjustin]

550. This thread is too much fun.

I literally crying.

[eridani]

569. Dr. Oz is a crackpot, but that old "stopped clocks" saying comes into play here. n/t

[lovemydog]

573. Wait. I've changed my mind.

Because demarcation and science.

I love Michelle Obama.

I'm strongly in favor of more comedy.

[Cha]

576. I know this is suppose to be the funny OP but I take kicking gmos off the Hawaiian Islands

very seriously.



https://www.facebook.com/Save.Hawai.from.Monsanto

And, from MA Right to Know GMO comes this from 2013..

Elizabeth Warren joins the mandatory GMO labeling movement in big ways

Warren co-sponsors federal bill for Mandatory GMO labeling

http://marighttoknow.com/home/?s=elizabeth+warren+supports+gmo+labeling

Bernie's wasn't amused, either..

Bernie Sanders Calls Out the Corporate Controlled Senate For Rejecting GMO Labels

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/05/23/bernie-sanders-calls-corporate-controlled-senate-rejecting-gmo-labels.html

[sabrina 1]

596. I take this issue very seriously also. I suppose there are people who find it funny, not many though

A vast majority of Americans find it very serious, and support the labeling of GMOs

Those are great links, didn't know that Warren and Sanders had come so strongly in favor of GMO labeling. Good for them.

I don't know if you are aware of this, you probably are, but several States are putting the issue on their state ballots, or in the process of working towards doing so.

That may be the best way to get it done.

However, Monsanto is lobbying for a bill against labeling, which if it passed, would be Federal and would over ride any of the work done at the state level.

I don't know if Hawaii is one of those states, but I hope you are successful in getting it out of your state.

You want them out of the state altogether, that would be wonderful but they will fight that fiercely I'm sure.

Thank you again for taking this issue seriously, I appreciate that.

[Cha]

598. We're like David and Goliath here on the Islands.. We The People pass laws to hold gmos accountable

and they go to court and have it overturned. Their poisons are making people sick. There are lawsuits against them for just that.

It's incredibly how people on this board go against what the people want to make sure big-poisons for profits-Ag stays lucrative and happy.

Of course they don't want their shit labeled .. it's none of our damn business. Safest way is to support Organic Farmers like I've been doing for 40 years. They can eat their damn gmo-roundup laced food if that's what they want. I feel bad for the unsuspecting people, though.

[sabrina 1]

599. I'm sorry, I'm lucky where I live in Upstate NY, in a mostly rural area. Mostly farmers

so we know where most of our food comes from. Still there are what look like commercial farms filled with corn not too far away and I noticed there are no farm stands which is unusual.

Now I'm worried they may be using their poisonous insecticides and their Roundup Corn or whatever they do.

Even though they are fairly far from us, once they begin to pollute the land, it affects all of us.

I am going to see if there is a movement in NY to get them banned.

As for those who enable them, it's hard not to be angry but as you say, let them be the guinea pigs for Monsanto's giant lab.

We are told, here on DU of all places, that GMOs are perfectly safe. Don't read the comments here, it will not make you feel good.

I have no intention of being intimidated by anyone, so I just use them now to kick threads like this.

The Bill they are going to try to pass is the Dark Act, keep America in the Dark.

They are treating this country, with the help of our Reps unfortunately, they way they treated Third World countries.

And yes, the American people want their foods labeled by 90%. In what Democracy does a government ignore such a demand from the people?

They are buying our government.

[Orrex]

582. I'm bullish on GMO kudzu.

It's going places.

[Rex]

590. All this because some don't give two shits about what is in their food.

Pathetic. Thanks for the thread! It really exposes some here as not giving two shits about transparency. I LOVE how it brought out that side of them for all of DU to see!

KICK!

[LeftInTX]

602. Can you ask Dr. Oz to give me a refund on the raspberry ketones and garncinia he was peddling?

I can't believe I bought the stuff