If Hillary is a Dem Progressive...why did President Obama Attack Progressives like Elizabeth Warren

[KoKo]

Democratic Trade War: Obama Says Warren 'Wrong' on TPP as Reid Says 'Hell No' to Fast Track


http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/04/22/democratic-trade-war-obama-says-warren-wrong-tpp-reid-says-hell-no-fast-track

Split among Democratic lawmakers front and center as push for corporate-friendly trade pact heads for key votes in Congress

President Obama on Tuesday evening said that progressives like Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) who have called out the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement for being a corporate-power grab and have vowed to defeat legislation designed to ram it through Congress are simply "wrong" when it comes to the pending deal between the U.S. and 11 Asian and Pacific nations.

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Former ACORN chief backs Hillary Clinton
By Carl Campanile
New York Post
April 20, 2015

Bertha Lewis — the former head of ACORN and a longtime powerful voice of progressivism in New York City — says she’s “ready for Hillary.”

(snip)

And Lewis says Clinton long ago proved her progressive bona fides. Clinton earned Lewis’ “admiration and respect” for the beating she took when the health-care expansion plan she helped craft with her husband, then-President Bill Clinton, was rejected.

“Hillary recovered from that. Absolutely, Hillary is a progressive. Her core is still there,” Lewis said.

“There’s no one who can hold a candle to her. She’ll be a great president. She’s a fierce fighter. No one is more qualified,” said Lewis, who now is executive director of The Black Institute.

More: http://nypost.com/2015/04/20/former-acorn-chief-backs-hillary-clinton/

[Autumn]

1. Think about it for a minute. It will all become clear. Crystal clear

[KoKo]

6. Honestly, Autumn....I didn't think he would pull a Rahm in that interview...

And, he's getting into territory where he's starting to look so contradictory that its sad to watch.

I realize that TPP along with ACA is what will be his crowning achievements for his Presidency. And, he has a huge commitment to those who "Brung him to the Dance" (I think Molly Ivan's used that, nicely when she was alive) but, when is it a "step too far?"

He's been very careful so far, but the pressure must be enormous for him to feel he could do a trash on Progressives on Matthews revealing his final face...that he not what he appeared to be to "Us Fools on the Left" who voted for him. I say "Fools" because so many here have said to us that Obama never ran as a "Progressive" but more of a Reagan Democrat aligned with the DLC in his views. And, we have lived with the caution that we read everything he promised in his campaign speeches wrong in our desperate "Progressive" Heads because we didn't listen carefully enough...or read all of his books. So it was "Progressives" fault that we on the Left (Labor/Peace/Enviromentalists/Jobless) have been disappointed with his policies.

Of course this view doesn't take into account all of the so-called "Progressives" like the "Nation" and "Center for American Progress" that we should vote for him because he would be a Progressive and of course the Republicans would be much worse. There was TRUTH that we didn't have an alternative and so we voted. But, I think we did expect better and have a right to express our disappointment now that we have another Dem Candidate for President that we are told to vote for because there is NO ALTERNATIVE and it could be WORSE...once again.

[Autumn]

8. It's like a country club, and we ain't members

[KoKo]

9. The sad thing is...."We thought we had the credentials to join."

But...we didn't realize there was a group (in the background) who boycotted us...that we weren't expecting. They'd always said we were sure to be "Approved Members with our Vote."

[Scuba]

2. This guy explained it quite well ...

[KoKo]

11. Thanks...I'd missed his latest...

Yes...that's what he believes. What happened to roads, infrastructure? He couldn't get Privatization through...after the Banksters got bailed out and they decided that pumping the stock market and meddling abroad was what "THEY" preferred to do and those pesky Repubs just dogged him all the way to defeat everything he wanted to do...UNTIL they Joined him on Pushing through Fast Track Trade Deal in the last years of his Second Administration?

[HassleCat]

3. What's a Progressive?

Just keep in mind, the roots of progressivism go back before any of us remember. The original Progressives promoted action against the banks, the railroads, and the big newspapers. They did so because the working class, which was then comprised of many farm families, was completely at the mercy of powerful monopolies. They promoted what we call the "public interest" over corporate interests, much as Ralph Nader did in the 1970s and 80s. Many great Progressive leaders were Republicans, including Teddy Roosevelt. It's tough to decide who is a "real" progressive and who is not, because things are very different today, and interest groups have changed the political landscape a great deal. I guess it's fair to say Hillary Clinton is not as progressive as Elizabeth Warren, but I would have to turn right around and say Hillary Clinton is enormously more progressive than any likely Republican presidential candidate.

[HereSince1628]

7. A progressive believes society can be improved for the common/collective good

This is the same belief the founding fathers had when the laid out their grievances against King George.

In general a progressive believes progress can be made in terms of equality, dignity, and protection against the rapacious aspects of human nature.

Early labor activists, suffragists, TR, FDR, social security, the Pittman-Robertson and Dingle Johnson acts to conserve wildlife and fisheries, the civil rights movement, LBJ Medicare and Medicaid, defense education grants, Pell Grants the environmental movement....all these things were directed at curbing the predacious and rapacious acts of humans against their fellow citizens and nature and improving the lives of everyone.

They were ALL progressive.

Enabling the Banksters and Privateers of Wall Street -IS NOT- progressive as it facilitates the greedy to exploit and prey upon their fellow citizens.

Creating international trade deals for the purpose of making some people richer is also NOT progressive.

Taking advantage of the left, because they have no where else to go, is NOT progressive.

[HassleCat]

10. Ah, the Banks...

Yeah, I certainly agree getting cozy with the banks and other financial institutions is suspicious if one wants to claim progressive creds. Of course, so many ordinary citizens are invested in Wall Street that we can't automatically say doing something for the financial sector is treason. For example, Bush wanted to bail out the financials with no conditions. Obama agreed with the bailout, but demanded some repayment? One is clearly not progressive at all, and the other is... well, a mixed bag, I suppose. I know all presidents have to cooperate with financial interests to keep the economy perking along, but some are going to include significant details, and some are just going to throw money at Wall Street. So far, Clinton is holding back on endorsing the TPP, and it will be interesting to see how long that lasts, and the reasons she gives for supporting it or not supporting it when she decides.

[emulatorloo]

4. Did he "ATTACK" Warren or say he disagreed with her?

i skimmed articles were he said she was great but he thought her opinion was "wrong" on TPP.

Lots of compliments, not anything that sounds like an 'ATTACK'. Which are usually ugly and personal.

[KoKo]

12. He made it careful to say: "She is WRONG." and Progressives like her are Wrong

...but I love her??? It's like having someone say "I love you..but, I don't want anything to do with you or your friends because what "I think" is that you are not worth listening to...because you don't know anything, and I am correct on what I say."

A Democratic President attacking his own supporters in his party is an ugly thing.

[emulatorloo]

16. Dunno, "attack" to me connotes vicious, harsh, and uncivil and often personal

And by personal I mean ascribing character flaws and impure motives to the other person.

I don't think the word fits here, but it is your thread.

I really do appreciate you taking the time to reply and explain why you chose that word.

[NYC_SKP]

5. AFT gave the Black Institute and Clinton Global Initiative buckets of money.

So Bertha Lewis' comments are to be expected, these people all suck from the same sacks of other people's money.

So we can just dismiss that like straight away.

And with this:

Clinton Global Initiative
Type: Charitable Organization
Location: 610 President Clinton Ave.
Little Rock, AR 72201
Total Received from American Federation of Teachers: $400,000.00

Please tell me they didn't rename a street after him.

[emulatorloo]

17. What gives you the authority to trash Bertha Lewis' work, sincerity, and reputation?

I am not a fan of HRC. However it makes me very uncomfortable to see a leader like Bertha Lewis slimed as a money whore available to the highest bidder.

[NYC_SKP]

18. I think her work and reputation are fine, I question her judgement and use of the term "progressive"

And I question her motives in saying what she said about Hillary.

There's nothing wrong with it, people do this every day and don't get called on it.

You pay tribute to those above you, those in positions to help you or your organization.

It's just life, but I could never do it, left a job because I wouldn't do it and after I recognized that the pecking order of favors and assignments required playing that game.

It's an accepted form of lying, IMO.

[brooklynite]

13. UNREC

Here's the apparent "attack" on Elizabeth Warren...

President Obama on Tuesday evening said that progressives like Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) who have called out the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement for being a corporate-power grab and have vowed to defeat legislation designed to ram it through Congress are simply "wrong"

Saying someone is wrong is an attack now?

[KoKo]

14. He didn't say WHY. He is aligned with Republicans on this vote. Why do they support TPP?

An attack is when you go against your own party members singling one group out. Do you hear Republicans go after "TeaPartiers?"

k.

[brooklynite]

15. So when you, hypothetically, criticize a position of Hillary Clinton, that's an "attack"?

[KoKo]

19. A Demcratically Elected President attacking a Dem Elected Senator....YES! n/t