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They will say anything, slam anyone with their false statements and then hide when confronted.
The industry is founded on lies and deceit, all the while taking government subsidies and leaving future generations with millions of pounds of deadly waste.
We must reverse course, cease and desist from using nuke power and close down all nuke plants -- yesterday!
The future of life as we know it is at stake. Make a wise choice: End nukes now!!
msongs
(67,441 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)But, no. We need the plutonium for some reason.
Silent3
(15,265 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)It can be found on ENEnews.com ........search for it
dosdos
April 25, 2015 at 6:47 pm
All it takes is one stem cell to be altered for the effects of radiation to be felt. The human body is very good at culling damaged normal cells, but it's almost helpless at culling stem cells. Your concept of biology is not exactly in line with the medical knowledge of today.
This is why children are so much more sensitive to radiation than adults, because their ratio of stem cells to normal cells is so much higher. It doesn't take a lot of radiation to alter a stem cell, just a lucky hit.
Thinking in terms that x amount of radiation is not harmful while y amount is harmful doesn't reflect the reality of the issue. If you think in terms of black and white like you seem to do, you don't understand radiation at all. It may take a billion releases to affect you adversely, it may take only one.
Feron
(2,063 posts)a combination of bunk, snakeoil, and scaremongering.
Spreading misinformation about radioactivity is not helping the anti-nuke cause.
And your birds are likely missing from habitat loss and other human activities. Radiation from Fukushima wasn't enough to affect North American birds, but it is affecting the birds within the vicinity of the accident--in Japan.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And you don't understand what radiation can do to a life form.
That's ok, The lies put out by the pro-nuke people even fooled me once upon a time. This is your opportunity to learn. Go for it. ENEnews.com
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)As an ecologist, habitat is of course a keen interest of mine. The habitat - meaning the land and available natural resources -- has been doing rather well, actually. It is the invisible radiation which has been documented to have increased since Chernobyl and especially Fukushima.
I am glad to see that you do realize that the birds around Fukushima have been affected by the radiation. That is a good first step. Now you just need to come to the realization that radiation from Fukushima has landed in the US.
You are well on your way to becoming anti-nuke!!
NickB79
(19,258 posts)snip
"We have done a reasonably good job of protecting some habitats, but we've already destroyed so much that remaining parts are very critical," Chisholm said. "People really need to support the remaining areas we have."
And nationwide, the same: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/06/130621-threats-against-birds-cats-wind-turbines-climate-change-habitat-loss-science-united-states/
snip
Grassland birds, for example, have declined about 40 percent in the past 40 years, reflecting the continuing loss and degradation of native prairie through expansion of cropland, overgrazing, and invasion by alien vegetation.
Of the more than 300 million acres of grasslands and pastures across the United States, only about 13 percent is publicly owned. As a result, conservation of such habitats depends largely on incentives to private landowners, including the federal Conservation Reserve Program (CRP), which pays farmers to take land out of agricultural production and convert it to environmentally valuable uses.
Note that this decline has been ongoing for decades, well before Chernobyl or Fukushima. The factor linking them all together has been a dramatic loss of habitat across North America. Anecdotally, I'm seeing woodlands and conservation land cleared and plowed up every year in my state as suburbs have expanded and farmers look for more acres to grow corn and soy on. I see fields sprayed repeatedly with herbicides and pesticides, making them even less habitable than they already are.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Of course if you look closely at Audubon you will see that they are an elite bunch, and financed by elites such as nuke power industries.
They have noticed that the bird populations are in steep decline and I thank you for pointing that out. Had I done so it would have just cause a great disturbance.
Now.... again... if you look at Audubon you will notice they never harp on nukes and radiation. It is only recently that science has begun to detail the damage radiation causes to birds and you have seen such a post about that science, on DU, caused a ruckus. Which points back to this OP which shows that pro-nukers will say all kinds of bs just to protect nukes.
As for habitat... my area is my specialty. In my area habitat has improved, but the number of birds has declined. And the pop decline, as you and Audubon have pointed out, goes back to the 60's which fits with the increasing radiation since weapons testing and increased numbers of nuke power plants. 1 + 1 = 2.
I don't expect the elite Audubon to come to this realization any time soon. They have too much financial stake in this matter to attack nuke radiation.
NickB79
(19,258 posts)Wait, you're serious, aren't you? Holy conspiracy theories, Batman!
Your "area" is your specialty? Are you an actual ecologist by trade, or a guy watching birds from his back porch? You say your area's habitat has improved, but what do you mean by that? Have large areas of land been set aside recently, and are they contiguous blocks vs. fragmented habitat? Have the farmers suddenly stopped spraying Round-Up on every square inch of land they farm? I could claim my local area's habitat has improved dramatically because I've planted a few hundred trees and shrubs on my property in the past 5 years, but that doesn't offset the hundreds of acres of woodland plowed under by farmers and housing development. The birds can't survive on my little plot of land, especially those that migrate long distances.
Secondly, you do realize that nuclear weapons testing peaked in the 1960's, and global radiation levels have been falling for the past few decades, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation#Atmospheric_nuclear_testing
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)But again you are mistaken in many ways. What's weird is, you know it.
Chernobyl and Fukushima both have increased background levels. Why deny it?
And yes, I was a member of Audubon back in the early 80's and researched their finances. Now we have proof of radiation killing birds. It is just a matter of time before Audubon comes clean and accepts that that truth. Tick, fucking, tock.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You just proved my case made in the OP. Thanks.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Watch out for THAT one, he's dangerous and scary!!
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)He dances around it but never actually denies it.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)This nice Lady Barbara Judge, a former SEC lawyer and now UK regulator and aristocrat extraordinaire, wants to keep the world safe for nuclear power.
The mood at Fukushima Daiichi is "fantastic."
Lady Barbara Judge: Japan's smart nuclear weapon
The head of the UK's Pension Protection Fund has been drafted in to help assure the residents of Fukushima that its reactors are safe
MARGARETA PAGANO
The Independent (UK) SUNDAY 17 FEBRUARY 2013
Lady Barbara Judge is just back from inspecting the nuclear plants at Fukushima in Japan, the ones closed down after the devastating earthquake and tsunami two years ago. She visited the control rooms at Daiichi plant one where three of the reactors went into meltdown and met many of the men who risked their lives by working during the emergency to cool the over-heated reactors and eventually shut them down.
It's not what she expected but the mood there was " fantastic". "What was astonishing was the optimism and hope shown by the workers that these plants can be made safe, and that they can start operating again," she says. But this was in stark contrast to the mood of the Japanese public, still in a state of shock and strongly opposed to the restoration of the nuclear programme.
Already being hailed as Japan's nuclear saviour, Lady Judge was in Fukushima with the bosses of the plants' owner, Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco), which was criticised for its bungled reaction to the catastrophe. It's her first trip since being appointed deputy chairman of Tepco's new Nuclear Reform Monitoring Committee, set up after the disaster to propose a new self-regulatory structure for the industry. If all goes well, Tepco hopes to persuade the new government said to be more favourable than the last to restart two of the plants later this year.
SNIP...
It's her long experience of Britain's nuclear industry that attracted the Japanese, who rarely bring in outsiders, let alone a woman. Lady Judge's credentials go back to 2002 when she became a director of the UK's Atomic Energy Authority, and was then chairman for six years until 2010. She is still closely involved with the industry so, a few days after returning from Fukushima, was able to take Tepco executives to the West Midlands' Oldbury site to show how it has been decommissioned using the strictest safety protocols.
SNIP...
Yet there's one group of people who stay stubbornly anti-nuclear women, especially the more educated ones. Wherever you are in the world, she says, all the focus groups show that it's better-off women who don't trust fission.
CONTINUED...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/lady-barbara-judge-japans-smart-nuclear-weapon-8497747.html
It seems that government service in the United States can open doors to [s]money[/s] opportunity in the United Kingdom. From the comment section at e-news we learn:
weeman
February 17, 2013 at 10:29 am
Tokyo Rose I have named her, just like the second world war the propaganda machine is on full spin cycle and we all know the false lies that they promote and brainwashing of populace.
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Time Is Short
February 18, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Here's a big reason she was brought in:
'Radioactive Asia: There Will Be 100 Additional Nuclear Reactors in Asia in 20 Years'
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/02/radioactive-asia-there-will-be-100.html
If she's working for those that control the majority of the uranium mining/processing, you can see the money involved.
Can't let the murder of 8 billion people get in the way of third-quarter profits, can we?
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Sickputer
February 16, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Her track record has not always been so cheery:
April 23, 2010
"WASHINGTONMassey Energy Co., owner of a coal mine where 29 workers were killed this month, on Monday said that the board member responsible for governance had resigned because of the demands of "other ongoing business activities."
Lady Barbara Thomas Judge's resignation, effective immediately, comes amid growing criticism of the management of the Richmond, Virginia, company. For months, shareholders had complained that Lady Judge was unable to devote enough time to the job because she served on too many corporate boards. The complaints about Massey's corporate governance intensified after a coal-mine explosion two weeks ago that was the deadliest in 40 years."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703757504575195070711065984.html
Another article in 2007:
"But questions remain. Why does Lady Judge need so many jobs? How did she land her role at the UK Atomic Energy Authority, when she had no relevant experience? Is it relevant that a female friend was on the selection panel?
Lady Judge bristles. She points out that, as a lawyer, it is her job to master a subject about which she is initially ignorant. To prepare for her role at the Atomic Energy Authority, she even studied her son's physics books. She also has a strategic business role, which she is well equipped to carry out.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-452635/Is-best-connected-woman-Britain
The monied class have zero compunction about irradiating the Northern Hemisphere, the Southern Hemisphere or any which way they slice up their planet and protect their loot with the nukes We the People have so kindly paid for.
If they got the money to roll out the highest price PR person on the planet, there's somethign that's making somebody some big bucks. Cause it's nuclear, We the People get the added benefit of paying for their piratizatios. It's getting apparent that us renters are SOL.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Instead of making preposterous outrageous claims about time-traveling radiation, starfish and birds.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Beware of pro-nuke people
They will say anything, slam anyone with their false statements and then hide when confronted.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)nt
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)But the real culprit, the fucking villain, the destroyer of life, is the industry and its pollution, right?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)What is this time-traveling you speak of? I see it as made up bs put out by pro-nukers. Please explain your false assertion to the folks.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Said phenomenon occurring long before Fukushima.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)We just don't know where you come up with the time-traveling bs.
We all know that nuke weapon testing from the 50's polluted the Pacific. And then Fukushima has increased the background radiation by 600% and now the sea stars have had the greatest die-off since 3/11/11. Those are facts.
So your assertion is false. As WHOI has claimed: Fukushima pollution is unprecedented.
NickB79
(19,258 posts)And there have been previous, devastating outbreaks of said disease documented in the Atlantic, 1972, and the Pacific, 1978: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_star_wasting_disease
And while the Pacific sea star dieoff has gotten major publicity, there was an equally severe dieoff in the Atlantic of the New Jersey coastline in 2013.
The Atlantic was never used as a nuclear testing hotspot, and the sea star dieoff in the Gulf of California in 1978 was a single, localized event 20 years after the height of Pacific nuke testing.
There is no pattern visible in the data that links nuclear radiation to any of these dieoffs, given the wide geographical and chronological distribution. The only things linking them are the now-identified pathogen, and warmer than normal water temperatures.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)But scientifically lacking. But then you are pro-nuke, aren't you?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)And every time someone refutes your BS with facts you accuse them of being pro-nuke.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You think it is a bad thing for someone to be pro-nuke?
I will admit to not having a great deal of knowledge about nukes. Heck even the professionals are learning new stuff about nukes all the time. But... what I do know tells me that nukes are an evil force that is changing life on this planet. And that change is NOT good. Do you agree?
And I am kinda getting tired of nothing but personal attacks from you. But then that just goes to show that my OP is correct. Thanks.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Good luck! How do you plan to stop every single nation on the earth from using nuclear power? I am curious, being wary of pro-corporate fascism is always smart...I don't care what brand is being pimped out.
Seriously, how do we stop the genie?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)We have some political power in the US, and due to much work done over the years nuke construction was halted here. Obama did subsidize some construction and it is under way. But several nuke plants have been closed recently and some others are seeking subsidies to continue polluting by creating more waste. We need to stop it here and now.
As for what we now are living with.... the more people know about it, they better they can deal with the pollution, eh?
Rex
(65,616 posts)I see the masses of the earth writhing in trash. Also, we can lead by example but that doesn't equate into anything around the world and for countries that are developing and decide nuclear is the way to go. We can't stop them and we won't.
My point here is we will need a enforcement body that all nations will respect and promise not to build nuclear anything.
Hard to sale that point.
Kudos for you keeping up on Japan and discussing it here in GD. I think at this point anyone trusting TEPCO, probably also thinks the TPP is a great mandate for capitalism that will bring around world peace.
Ronald the asshole reagan took solar panels off the White House.
Jimmy Carter, a man who was familiar with nuke power, is the man who put them there.
34 years later, the country has just recently put solar back on our White House.
Carter also was the man who put coffin nails to nuclear power and the asshole who replaced him opened up that casket and let that vampire loose.
30 years later, on DU, I proposed that nuke power radiation was killing birds. It really pissed off some DUers, and ever since they have gone from claiming nukes were safe and radiation was not dangerous to what you see here, tonight, on this thread.
It has been one hell of a trip, and now, because of Fukushima and that fact that Fukushima can't be hidden like TMI and Chernobyl was, the pro-nuke people are relegated to a few measly posts on DU.
I have been called all kinds of names by the pro-nukes, and yet here I stand, still here, still telling the truth, 35 years after that damned asshole reagan diverted the course Carter set the country on.
Hey, one does what one can do, eh?