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It's easy to support the violence and looting when you're safe in the lily white suburbs. (Original Post) ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 OP
I wouldn't set foot in Baltimore even if you paid me. Quantess Apr 2015 #1
Oh? And where are you posting from? tenderfoot Apr 2015 #2
Cops started it, they didn't burn down the senior housing complex. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 #5
I believe that... tenderfoot Apr 2015 #6
"without having any skin in the game." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #49
That's the 'She was asking for it' defense of rape... Oktober Apr 2015 #47
The cops started the violence tenderfoot Apr 2015 #48
"And where are you posting from?" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #50
Los Angeles - where cops started every riot I've witnessed. tenderfoot Apr 2015 #51
I remember the cops ripping Reginald Denny out of his truck in 92 Politicalboi Apr 2015 #54
You mean after cops that beat Rodney King were acquitted in Simi Valley? tenderfoot Apr 2015 #59
hey, the burning down of affordable housing for seniors was the perfect way geek tragedy Apr 2015 #3
Arson, looting and smashing cars of your friends and neighbors... 4139 Apr 2015 #4
Who is cheering it on? cwydro Apr 2015 #7
Not only are people cheering on the violence... Initech Apr 2015 #37
Well, technically it can... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #42
I believe it takes a special kind of thoughtless 1st world privileg LanternWaste Apr 2015 #8
Or maybe these are thoughts from a mixed race person of relatively little privilege..... ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 #14
Yep AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #43
Agree. Many of these local businesses sufrommich Apr 2015 #9
Who is cheering? morningfog Apr 2015 #10
....? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 #11
That OP was not cheering. morningfog Apr 2015 #16
Absolutely it was. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 #20
Ohhh! Calling me naive. morningfog Apr 2015 #62
Sure it was. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #58
I am sure the right is cheering get the red out Apr 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Lancero Apr 2015 #44
What cheering? MoonRiver Apr 2015 #12
Right? Empathizing now means "cheering." ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #28
Umm...read through this thread. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #30
Do you know that this person lives in a lily white suburb? MoonRiver Apr 2015 #40
My point is that people on DU ARE cheering the rioting, Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #46
This is reverse reverse racism Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #13
How about trying to understand it, leaving judgment aside? cali Apr 2015 #15
I do understand. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 #18
Yes, but anyone who has pounded their fist on the table, or given the finger must sort of 'get it' HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #31
Phil Ochs said it best. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 #17
not only that, they'd be rooting for the cops to beat the shit out of any protestor or rioter geek tragedy Apr 2015 #27
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible... 99Forever Apr 2015 #19
It's a complete societal breakdown. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 #21
You need to stop assuming you speak for anyone except yourself. 99Forever Apr 2015 #23
Or all the people whose cars were trashed, jumped on, vandalized... Quantess Apr 2015 #25
That quote is utterly wrong mythology Apr 2015 #38
It's easy to be a self-righteous moralist sitting in front of your computer typing. 99Forever Apr 2015 #45
White liberals? Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #22
I've seen that too. nt cwydro Apr 2015 #34
No cheering here but would it be like neocons cheering a war without suffering from the violence or pampango Apr 2015 #24
Can people quit trying to reframe this to fit their own narratives? ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #26
I've seen at least one post that said, cwydro Apr 2015 #35
Which falls into "there are fringe outliers..." ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #36
How would you reframe "Sometimes ya gotta fuck things up before things change."? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #57
with a reach like that you should be mopinko Apr 2015 #29
It's easy to support pacifism when you're safe in your lily white skin. ret5hd Apr 2015 #32
i dunno. seems more like an understanding the anger, while others comfortably are clueless to the seabeyond Apr 2015 #39
Easy to oppose these things, too. Orsino Apr 2015 #41
It's easy to condemn the rioters Hissyspit Apr 2015 #52
Link to or name those who are cheering from their lily white suburbs. Thanks. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2015 #53
The best that can be said about some of the most popular posts... lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #55
Let's take up a collection and bus the rioters to the wealthy neighborhoods, Zorra Apr 2015 #56
Great idea. Let's send them to Charles Johnson's neighborhood Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #60
I'd be more apt to support this. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 #61
You have to remember some on the Left are.. MicaelS Apr 2015 #63

tenderfoot

(8,434 posts)
2. Oh? And where are you posting from?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:20 AM
Apr 2015

The front lines no doubt.

Get over yourself.

Had the cops not started the riot - we wouldn't be talking right now.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
5. Cops started it, they didn't burn down the senior housing complex.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:24 AM
Apr 2015

A small group of shitheads did, with encouragement from middle class whites who want to see things burn without having any skin in the game.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
49. "without having any skin in the game."
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:54 PM
Apr 2015

Well-played. Not sure if you intended it that way but well-played all the same.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
47. That's the 'She was asking for it' defense of rape...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

If person X hadn't done whatever then person Y wouldn't have been forced to commit their illegal actions.


Bullshit...

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
54. I remember the cops ripping Reginald Denny out of his truck in 92
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Apr 2015

And hit him with a fire extinguisher in the head. Oh wait!!!!!

tenderfoot

(8,434 posts)
59. You mean after cops that beat Rodney King were acquitted in Simi Valley?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:51 PM
Apr 2015

I remember too.

Funny, nothing has changed for the better since then.

4139

(1,893 posts)
4. Arson, looting and smashing cars of your friends and neighbors...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:22 AM
Apr 2015

...hurts many, helps no one and makes everything worse.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
37. Not only are people cheering on the violence...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:13 AM
Apr 2015

There's people who want to add more fuel to the fire by allowing the police to use live ammo against the protesters. That's the part I find truly horrifying. Violence doesn't solve anything, but using violence to solve violence definitely doesn't work.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
42. Well, technically it can...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:34 AM
Apr 2015

We did a bang up job against Germany and Japan in WWII.

I'm being facetious of course. I'm not suggesting rolling tanks through Baltimore.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
8. I believe it takes a special kind of thoughtless 1st world privileg
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:32 AM
Apr 2015

I believe it takes a special kind of thoughtless, 1st world privilege, constructed from fast food, truck nutz and ethical pretense to expect a calm, rational community response to the irrational and consistent actions of law enforcement.

However, I do certainly realize that many individuals feel morally self-validated by focusing on the singular tree rather than the forest as a whole-- as it's often ethically simplistic and convenient to hold the telescope backwards allowing us to see only what we want to see.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
14. Or maybe these are thoughts from a mixed race person of relatively little privilege.....
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:37 AM
Apr 2015

Who has seen white agitators turn events like this into riots about them and their own political frustrations.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
43. Yep
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:37 AM
Apr 2015

They call themselves, 'anarchists', and they break shit for the sake of breaking shit. They always ruin protests here.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
9. Agree. Many of these local businesses
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:33 AM
Apr 2015

willl leave and not come back,leaving people who actually have to live there with fewer options than they already had.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
58. Sure it was.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:50 PM
Apr 2015

It's safe to say that the things he feels should be fucked up aren't in his neighborhood.

Response to morningfog (Reply #10)

Ms. Toad

(34,073 posts)
30. Umm...read through this thread.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:14 AM
Apr 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026578403#post27

It is one of a handful I read through last night.

(As I noted below, it isn't whites I see cheering - but I AM seeing cheering)

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
40. Do you know that this person lives in a lily white suburb?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:18 AM
Apr 2015

Didn't read that way to me. Anyway, the racism in this country is sickening, and police seem to be the main abusers of African Americans. This is so fucked up.

Ms. Toad

(34,073 posts)
46. My point is that people on DU ARE cheering the rioting,
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:58 AM
Apr 2015

And, from what I can tell, it is NOT white liberals doing the cheering.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
18. I do understand.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:41 AM
Apr 2015

I also understand what it's like to not have a home, which makes me a little more sympathetic to burning down affordable housing projects. Have you been homeless? How about understanding from the perspective of the black business person who spent their whole life building something and now its gone thanks to a FEW assholes. These kids aren't representing black people as a whole.


HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
31. Yes, but anyone who has pounded their fist on the table, or given the finger must sort of 'get it'
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:56 AM
Apr 2015

as a consequence of the human drive to make behavioral displays of frustration and anger.

It's part of human nature, a feature of behavior that is shared among gregarious great apes. We are, unfortunately, put together in a way that facilitates these things.

Not long ago exaggerated displays of waving clenched fists, and thumping fists on podiums was a routine part of oratory. TR, FDR, JFK all were are wavers and sometimes users of fist bumping.

Many of us have witnessed displays in our lives, or in the media, of frustrated/angry tirades...remember the scene in Christmas story when the father is in the basement with the dysfunctional furnace?

Some of us have witnessed destruction of property, throwing things smashing plates, etc. Some of us have seen tantrums of 'losing it' within our own homes. The rumor mill says this behavior has even taken place not long ago in The Residence. True or not, people believe it because it's not uncommon.

When tolerance is neared or exceeded and words fail humans make displays of their displeasure. These things usually aren't entirely rational or well thought out. The displays are typically done in our immediate vicinity and so the damage, destruction that takes place is often to our own property or immediate environment.

These displays are witnessed, and the communication of the display is usually understood. Sometimes others join in support, and coalitions making even bigger displays form and grow. Most of us have seen this in human 'games' such as bench clearing baseball fights. Is it rational? No. Do we punish it? Sort of. But we understand it as part of the darker reality of human nature.


From a distance it's possible to see what happened yesterday in Baltimore was both unacceptable and predictable as human nature. It was an inevitable display of the end of tolerance and yet also the destruction of property, yes, criminal destruction of property intended to serve the community and make lives more tolerable.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
17. Phil Ochs said it best.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:38 AM
Apr 2015

And the internet makes it that much easier. The minute these riots made their way to a white suburb people would be hauling ass in their Subarus and calling 911.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
27. not only that, they'd be rooting for the cops to beat the shit out of any protestor or rioter
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:56 AM
Apr 2015

that came within 6 blocks of their home or bus/train stop.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:41 AM
Apr 2015

....will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy March 13, 1962

100% of the fault for what is happening in Baltimore falls upon the murdering scumbags in blue.




All. Of. It.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
21. It's a complete societal breakdown.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:44 AM
Apr 2015

But that doesn't mean that what is happening now is a positive. In fact I would bet most people in these communities who had to take the day off work to watch their kids or had their housing or business burned to the ground don't care whose fault it is at this point.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
25. Or all the people whose cars were trashed, jumped on, vandalized...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:54 AM
Apr 2015

Residents of that very same community.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
38. That quote is utterly wrong
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:14 AM
Apr 2015

Nobody is more responsible for what I do than I am. To claim that somebody else can make you resort to violence, especially pointless rioting, is just a way to try to shed personal responsibility.

To put it another way, my dad was an abusive ass. But that doesn't give me an out to say he's responsible if I then repeat that cycle to others.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
45. It's easy to be a self-righteous moralist sitting in front of your computer typing.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:44 AM
Apr 2015

Get back to me when the goons in blue are murdering your friends and family. In the meantime, your standing to pass judgment is questionable, at best.

Ms. Toad

(34,073 posts)
22. White liberals?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:44 AM
Apr 2015

The ones I see supporting the violence and looting on DU whose race I recognize are not white - and they have been condemning people who oppose the looting as racist, privileged, etc.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
24. No cheering here but would it be like neocons cheering a war without suffering from the violence or
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:50 AM
Apr 2015

fighting the war themselves?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
26. Can people quit trying to reframe this to fit their own narratives?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:56 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:05 AM - Edit history (1)

it's getting ridiculous. I don't see a whole lot of people "cheering." I see people empathizing. There are fringe outliers, but we do not have hoards "cheering the destruction." Please. Good Lord, get a grip people.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
57. How would you reframe "Sometimes ya gotta fuck things up before things change."?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:49 PM
Apr 2015

I don't think that poster was suggesting that they should fuck up any of his things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6576560

mopinko

(70,109 posts)
29. with a reach like that you should be
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:07 AM
Apr 2015

in the nba or something.
nobody is cheering. that is just a dumb thing to say.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
39. i dunno. seems more like an understanding the anger, while others comfortably are clueless to the
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:16 AM
Apr 2015

anger.

granted, i have not gone into a lot of the threads, but the ones i have, it is an understanding, not excuses, acceptance, support of.

BIG difference. ya think

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
41. Easy to oppose these things, too.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:23 AM
Apr 2015

It's easier to do a lot of things in the lily-white suburbs, which is sort of the problem.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
52. It's easy to condemn the rioters
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:33 PM
Apr 2015

when one doesn't live in the worst neighborhoods of West Baltimore, and see police abuse all the time.

Where did you think your statement was going to go?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
55. The best that can be said about some of the most popular posts...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Apr 2015

... is that hand wringing about the violence, looting and arson is a form of concern trolling.

I think that this OP fits the above linked thread to a T.

When black neighborhoods burn, ultra conservatives and ultra liberals crowd around the TV. The former because it validates their racist attitudes, and the latter because smoke filled black neighborhoods show that someone is finally doing something.

Neither examines how their attitudes might change if it was their own neighborhood on fire.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
56. Let's take up a collection and bus the rioters to the wealthy neighborhoods,
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:48 PM
Apr 2015

where they can be the most effective.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
63. You have to remember some on the Left are..
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:13 PM
Apr 2015

True "revolutionaries". They really want to tear the whole system down by what ever means necessary, no matter the consequences. When I see some on the Left in this day and age still claiming they are Communists, they tells me all I need to know about that person and their beliefs.

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