Bernie on campaigning and Hillary: "It's not my style to run ugly, negative ads. Never have,

[cali]

Never will".

<snip>

Sanders has also promised he wouldn't run any negative campaign ads against Hillary Clinton. "It is not my style to trash people," he said. "It is not my style to run ugly, negative ads. Never have, never will."

The senator would, however, like to have "a real serious debate" with Clinton -- "a very intelligent person who I think is interested in issues, by the way," he said.

"I think we would have a debate about how you rebuild the crumbling middle class," Sanders continued. "A debate about how you reverse climate change. A debate about the foreign policy and the wisdom of the war in Iraq, and how we deal with what we deal with. A debate about trade policy. A debate about Wall Street. And that would be I think good for the American people, to be honest with you."

He told Cordes that they differ on their approach to free-trade agreements -- Sanders also opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement, which Clinton championed when it passed during her husband's presidency -- and noted that he voted against the Iraq War.

"The media's got to get away from personality. The question is, what we stand for, and I think the issues that I am fighting for are in fact the issues that need to be fought for," he said.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/five-things-to-know-about-bernie-sanders/

[seabeyond]

1. this sounds like sanders. this sounds like the sanders that said way back when,

if he ran, he would run as a dem and not split the party.

i had all the faith in the world he would honor that statement never questioning or concerned it would be otherwise.

[woo me with science]

2. He's a class act, all right.

The filthy spinmeisters have no idea what to do with him in a campaign.

Manipulation and spin have become such standard MO in corporate political campaigns that it's all the corporatists know. They can't compete with him honestly on the issues, yet if they try to use their typical lies and diversion and smear, they end up looking like the cynical corporate hacks and smearmongers they are.

We have been assaulted with political manipulation and deceit for so long that people have forgotten what honesty looks like. The whole point of the corporate propaganda machine has been to narrow the debate so that corporate assaults seem normal and people forget what we really do have a right to expect from our *REPRESENTATIVES.*

Bernie is reminding people what representative democracy is SUPPOSED to look like, and the contrast between honest representation and contemptuous corporate manipulation couldn't be more stark.

[Scuba]

7. Lacking closet skeletons to exploit the media will report on the "horse race" and ignore the issues.

[DiverDave]

3. And he WINS with positive ads

The vast majority of voters know the truth, and are sick of mudslinging.

Please, Bernie, stay off small planes.

[joshcryer]

4. Good luck, Bernie.

Those "3am phone-call" and "Harry and Louise" ads bolstered Obama immensely.

[cali]

5. kick against the lies that Bernie will be a spoiler and that he'll

trash HRC and run a negative campaign

despicable lies with no foundation at fucking all.

[joshcryer]

6. Who has said that?

Utter nonsense.

[cali]

8. Here. And I don't make stuff up Josh, I just don't

Nor is that the only example- not by a long shot.

Read this thread and please apologize for accusing me of making it up- and don't try to equivocate or say that isn't what is happening in thread. It could not be clearer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6594295

[KittyWampus]

12. That OP said nothing about Sanders running a dirty campaign, being a spoiler. It does make the point

he comes from a very small state.

Which is a VALID point to make about any candidate.

And you are the first responder and got ugly.

The persecution complex amongst Sanders' supporters is unbelievable at this point.

[joshcryer]

13. Huh? I think it is utter nonsense to say that.

Not that your calling it out is utter nonsense.

The post you linked is clearly utter nonsense.

Geez. Get a grip.

Link more. I'd be happy to call it all out as utter nonsense.

Though that doesn't qualify as your original statement claimed, I still am happy to call out nonsense.

[cali]

14. huh?

"See Nader, Ralph.

Meaning: if he has no expectation of winning, he has no reason not to rip Clinton to shreds at every opportunity. I'm sure it's well within his remarkable skill set. And that accomplishes what exactly?


"because I heard all the grand promises you've faithfully quoted in 1999, from Ralph Nader, who at least had the grace not to run as a Democrat. I'd also feel better if Sanders settled that question of party membership one way or the other but so far he hasn't and that worries me too."

[joshcryer]

17. You should've linked this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6594314

The post you linked my eyes glazed over because I didn't give a fucking shit.

Expecting me, a lazy bastard, to read an entire thread of nonsense is a bit much, cali.

Link the direct post you're referring.

Oh, and btw, I think the OP and that guys comment are utter nonsense.

Stupid rhetoric not worth mine or anyones time.

[ucrdem]

19. Okay nonsense in your view but what's your response to #15?

[joshcryer]

23. From a political perspective?

Utter and complete nonsense. No one gives a fuck about the intricacies. They will never come up in the debate circuit. Hell, would it be. Would it be.

I think the whole thing is MSM drama, which certain posters consume and regurgitate at an alarming manner. No one talks basics, no one talks gray area, no one talks policy.

You gotta remember, this is just some forum on the internet.

Sanders can run in the Democratic because his state doesn't have party affiliations. It's not a big deal. Win or lose, that's his right. Would it be that Sanders managed to win, could be an amazing upset. I think it's unlikely, but hell, at least there's a credible backup for a potential Clinton implosion.

[cali]

21. sorry, you're right, josh. I should have linked that post

My point is that contrary to what some are saying, I've seen quite a bit in that vein. Lots of posts comparing him to Nader. And lots of (ironically) stupid stuff about his hair, etc. I don't mind the stuff about his hair. It's just dumb. I think it's fair game to bring up that he calls himself a (Democratic) Socialist, or that he's been an independent throughout his political career- inane, as far as I'm concerned, but fair game.

I don't think it is remotely fair to compare him to Nader or ignore his history of campaigning or that he is a person of his word.

[joshcryer]

24. No worries.

I am a Sanders supporter, Clinton defender (to an extent), so I am perhaps in my own bubble. I really can't deal with people who detract from Democrats, I have a pretty deeply held feeling about ratfucking and assholes on the right trying to divide the Democrats. I'm almost 40, I've seen it literally my entire political life. It's crazy.

Sorry for not reading that thread you linked but you gotta recognize I am not going to read an entire thread people link, it's just tiring. I'm fucking depressed as fuck as it is. So don't take it offensively for asking / demanding a direct link. It's just. No. Fuck that.

[Adrahil]

9. Haven't seen that.

If someone is saying that, they are a very small minority here. I am a Hillary supporter and I think its awesome Bernie is running. I think he'd be a terrible candidate in the generals, but i do think he can serve as the conscience of the party.

[Vinca]

10. Bernie's a fluke in politics. He talks about the issues.

[polichick]

11. Maybe Bernie will inspire disillusioned voters to return to the polls.

[smokey nj]

18. I think he will. Everybody works so hard to go

after likely voters when there's a huge source of fresh voters up for grabs. They're written off as lazy and disinterested, and I'm sure some are, but also in that group are people who dropped out because the system doesn't work for them. ACORN did great work until they were destroyed for nothing.

[polichick]

26. The voters I'm most interested in getting back to the polls are the...

young ones I worked with on the first Obama campaign - the ones who have been thoroughly disgusted by a lot of Obama's moves and by the Dem party in general (rightfully so, imo).

[smokey nj]

28. Those are the voters I think Bernie will appeal to the most.

They're also the voters who won't run and hide whenever the word Socialist is mentioned.

[polichick]

30. True, on both counts! I've been on the phone with some of them...

They are paying attention and posting articles about Bernie.

[ucrdem]

15. "Bernie Sanders Calls Clinton Foundation Money A "Very Serious Problem""

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senator-bernie-sanders-calls-hillary-clinton-foundation-money/story?id=30687863

That promise didn't last long.

[Enthusiast]

25. The influence of money in elections is the central problem.

Hillary can choose to distance herself from the damaging influence of big money at any time. Bernie's word hardly constitute going negative in the classic sense.

[bigwillq]

20. I hope Bernie keeps that promise.

I dislike negative ads. I dislike ads in general, but particularly negative ones.

[cali]

22. Seeing that he never has done that shit, you don't have to hope.

I hope HRC won't do it. She actually does have a history of having done it. Bernie has said he won't and you won't be able to find one instance of his going back on his word re promises he makes about how he'll run a campaign.

[geek tragedy]

27. if only everyone at DU had that attitude. nt

[seabeyond]

29. +1. nt

[FSogol]

31. Whoops!

[libdem4life]

32. This is going to be good. The Democrats have a real choice. I don't think there are

many skeletons in Bernie's past. Hillary must be relieved that he's not a negative person bringing up her skeletons, but she's going to have to run on her record. Imagine that...a Primary based on prior records...no BS.