Why I know it is possible that Freddie Gray's injury started with his arrest

[marym625]

First and foremost, BRAVA to Marilyn Mosby, Maryland state's attorney, for charging all 6 of the Officers in the death of Freddie Gray! One with 2nd degree murder



It has been said, repeatedly, that Freddie Gray's injury happened in the van. That he obviously wasn't injured during the arrest as he walked into the police van without issue.

Two people I loved, each had a broken spine that wasn't discovered immediately.

Back in the 60s, my father worked at sears. He was getting a hair dryer off a shelf when he fell off the ladder onto a table. He was taken to the hospital and x-rayed
He was sent home being told it was just muscle damage and to just "work it out " Almost a week later, as my dad was unable to walk and in excruciating pain, the hospital called. They told him to get back in to the hospital, his x-ray was read incorrectly and his back was broken.

He spent a while in the hospital and 6 months in a body cast. He had problems with his back the rest of his life. But he initially walked away without any problem but pain.

And old boyfriend of mine, decided to dive into an above ground pool. He hit his head on the bottom. He felt pain but kept playing in the pool. He even played "chicken" with a child on his shoulders. By nightfall, his hands had gone numb. He went to the hospital and ended up in intensive care. He had a "halo" screwed into his skull for months because his spinal cord was partially severed.

Amazingly, though he had problems with his neck the rest of his life, it was nothing more than arthritis.

Both of these men were told that the only reason they were walking was how strong the muscles were.

It is very possible that the injury that killed Freddie Gray was caused during the arrest. He was a young, strong man.

In closing, I want to again, congratulate Mosby on her quick action that is courageous both professionally and personally, in charging all six officers in the death of Freddie Gray!

Charges Against 6 Officers In Freddie Gray's Death Range From Murder To Assault

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/05/01/403496063/freddie-gray-update-new-speculation-on-his-death-and-peaceful-protests

[Beaverhausen]

1. Walked into the van?

From the film I saw it didn't look like he could move his legs.

[marym625]

3. That was the second time

They stopped, pulled him out and shacked his feet because he was being noisy in the van.

The initial arrest he walks

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. It's being claimed by a lot of folks, but all the video I've seen so far looks like he's

dragging his legs with a head tilted to the side. I think the initial screams of agony pre-van are linked to to his eventual death.

[marym625]

9. I had been told

Or was given the impression, that this was after they removed him from the van.

If this is the initial arrest, then there should never have been a question.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

12. That's not what I saw before

but for all I know what I did see could simply be video from somebody to the rear of the van during that same stop.

[marym625]

16. Glad I am not the only one confused

Hopefully, someone will tell us what is what

[Beaverhausen]

17. I've not seen that one before. I saw one shot from another angle, thought it was initial arrest

[marym625]

20. I still don't know

Though I haven't seen all the responses yet.

[marym625]

10. Please see my reply in post #9

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

2. And she isnt bringing these charges if there is ANY Truth to the LIE that he killed himself

brava for her

[marym625]

5. I admit

I am shocked and so very happy!

[elleng]

4. Thanks. Yes congrats to her for doing her job.

Very interesting what your loved ones experienced.

[marym625]

7. Yes

They both would have been paralyzed if they weren't so strong.

Thank you

[blm]

8. I agree - he showed every sign of an initial injury before he was 'helped' into that van.

You could tell it hurt him to breathe - the look on his face was very familiar to those of us who know what it feels like to suffer just trying to catch a breath.

[marym625]

11. I have to admit

I honestly thought the video that shows him in such agony and unable to walk, was after they took him out to shackle his legs


If that is the the initial arrest, then how was there ever a question? What was all the rhetoric about it happening in the van?

[blm]

13. The FATAL injury was in the van…he could have survived the initial spine injury, imo, but

I notice how they separate the FATAL injury from the initial injury in the report. I think the first led directly to the second.

[marym625]

19. Most definitely

As if the second could have happened without the first

[gwheezie]

14. how did he get a crushed larynx

Mary your account is accurate. I saw 2 people with injury/trauma to the spine where they were initially able to walk wind up with paralysis when they were moved by medical personnel. This was years ago. This is why we tell people not to move,put collars on them and keep the neck and spine aligned when moving them.

[blm]

15. I notice many in the media have skipped over that basic, common sense First Aid guideline.

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[marym625]

21. It's very odd

That, as far as I have seen anywhere, I am the only one saying that. Now you. So all 2 of us

[jwirr]

18. Thank you I have thought that from the beginning. For one thing all the excuses they are giving

us do not explain the damage voice box which was present when they threw him in the van. IF his spine was already damaged and they threw him in the van it could have been further damaged but that. And IF he was not secured in his seat there could have been further damage like a fall on the bolt they are telling us about.

Obviously this injury was progressing because even after hospitalization it continued to get worse until he died. I think they need to do a more intensive autopsy.

[marym625]

22. agree

If what we have heard about the autopsy is accurate, it makes no sense

[Avalux]

23. Gray's spinal cord was SEVERED.

It takes an incredible amount of force for such an injury.

Both of the accidents you've described required force - falling off a ladder and diving head-first into a pool. I knew immediately that there was no way Gray could have caused the injury to himself. Something horrific happened at the hands of those cops - with enough force to SEVER his spinal cord. This means his vertebrae, which protect the spinal cord, were crushed or broken enough for it to happen.

[marym625]

24. yep

Absolutely no way he did this to himself.

I don't doubt he may have been thrashing around. He had to have been in excruciating pain. A pain that is unbearable. Hence his passing out before he got to the police station