Thom Hartmann : "Occupy Movement has endorsed Bernie."

[bvar22]

I heard it on his radio show.
That announcement made me happy.

[brooklynite]

1. But Occupy is "leaderless"....

...or so I was told.

[sabrina 1]

14. Yes, it is. What does that have to do this OP?

[brooklynite]

15. How were they able to "endorse" Sanders?

I don't recall hearing about a vote...

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. General Assembly

and I suspect you would not understand it, for some odd reason it does not work under Roberts Rules of Order.

For that matter, I doubt you would sit through one of these.

[brooklynite]

28. I'm well aware of how OWS General Assemblies work...

http://www.nycga.net/

They used to occur right outside my wife's office. I've actually read many of their transcripts. And from what recall, they died out in 2012.

Do you have evidence that one was held?

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Since there is an endorsement, one was held

you also realize that this is not just Occupy Wall Street and that they are not dead.

I know, I know you would like it if they were dead and buried, but they are not.

And what you are demanding is that we prove a double negative. Sorry... I ain't playing your game, it is tiresome, but cute.

[brooklynite]

35. "Since there was an endorsement, one was held"

Seems presumptuous on your part. You have no evidence that it happened, but it MUST have happened, because someone said it did.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Nope, not one bit

your demands are though.

[brooklynite]

40. UPDATE: I did some research and answered my own question -- OWS DIDN'T endorse Sanders

What happened was that individuals AFFILIATED with OWS formed their own organization and endorsed Sanders:

We Are People for Bernie

We are activists and organizers trying to build a broad, effective movement for democratic change. We come from different backgrounds, and were inspired by different issues and fights for peace, rights and the planet. Our goal is a government that carries out the will of the people, and not serve to increase the profits of the 1% at the expense of the rest of us.

To that end we support Bernie Sanders in his bid to become the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party. We stand firmly behind Senator Sanders as the strongest progressive possibility in the race right now. His commitment to our values is one of long standing commitment. Sanders is the bold alternative.

Moumita Ahmed
Phillip Anderson - The Albany Project
Betsy Avila - Young Democratic Socialists
Kazembe Balagun - Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung
Brett Banditelli - Occupy Harrisburg
Beth Becker - Occupy DC / McPherson
Nadine Bloch - Nonviolence International,(Ruckus Society)
Joe Brusky - Overpass Light Brigade
Melissa Byrne - Occupy DC-Mcpherson, Project Springboard
Isham Christie - OWS
Heidi Chua - Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung
Mary Clinton - OWS
Damien Crisp - OWS, Occupy Sandy, @OccupyWallStNYC
Kelli Daley - OWS, @occupywallstnyc
Ethan Earle - Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung
Shana East - Meme Against the Machine, Chuy Garcia Campaign
Rick Echevarria - Changer
Michelle Esi - OWS Labor
Caleb-Michael Files - Sankofa
Kim Fraczek - The Peoples Puppets of Occupy Wall Street
Amber Frost - Journalist
Gan Golan - MayDay Space, Movement Net Lab
Priscilla Grim - OWS Media Cleric, occupywallst.nyc
Lane Hall - Overpass Light Brigade
Gabriel Johnson
Aly Johnson-Kurts - Former staff, Teachout-Wu campaign
Howie Klein - Publisher, DownwithTyranny.com
Charles Lenchner - OWS Tech Ops, co-founder, RFW
Joe Libertelli - Co-Founder, Progressive Democrats of America
Angela Linneman
Lisa Moline - Overpass Light Brigade
Justin Molito - Ready for Bernie
Larry Moskowitz - Left Labor Project
Jesse Myerson - Occupy The Ballots
Ed Ott - Faculty, Murphy Institute/CUNY
Annabel Park - Filmmaker and founder of the Coffee Party
Mark Provost - Us Uncut
Jeff Rae - OWS, Ready for Bernie
Paul Russell - Occupy Faith, Judson Church
Audrey Sasson - OWS, 99 Pickets
Daniel Sieradski - Occupy Judaism
Andrew Smith - Rockaway Wildfire, OWS
Zak Solomon - MayDay Space, Rising Tide NYC
Nadya Stevens
Bhaskar Sunkara - Jacobin Magazine
Maria Svart - Democratic Socialists of America
Diane Sweet - Blogger, OWS, Occupy the Boardroom, Environmentalist
Robel Tekleab - OWS
David Unger - Labor Organizer/Educator
Stan Williams - OWS
Winnie Wong - OWS, @OccupyWallStreetNYC, Ready for Warren, Artists for Warren
Ethan Young - Left Labor Project, Portside.org

http://www.peopleforbernie.com/

Good for them, but this is not the same as the Occupy "Movement" offering an endorsement. (and no general assembly either)

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Good you can use the google

but some of those individuals are spokespeople for different OWS groups, which again, brings us back to the GA that was more than likely held, does it not?

I mean you go occupy judaism, they are talking for occupy judaism. That pretty much implies a GA somewhere, perhaps even over skype (though that sounds painful). I even recognize a few of these names, as precisely that, MEDIA CONTACTS.

But hell, fretting over technicalities with somebody who would prefer if all this went away. So with that, please proceed governor.

[BeanMusical]

49. +1

[brooklynite]

50. I was under the impression that OWS and it's affiliates believed in openness

The whole premise of the General Assembly was that everything was transcribed and posted to the web. So it should be easy to point me to the site where this decision was made.

Of course it would be easier to assume that individuals with personal relationships to Occupy got together on their own and decided on their own to endorse him; but I guess that wouldn't be as impressive?

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. You can search this

on your own.

At this point just getting overtly cute.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. And after looking at the site

you might be partially right. This is not OWS, just OWS people... and reporters and the rest. Still this early, endorsements? May 1, 2015. This is going to be an unusual campaign to the WH.

But hell, when it is expected to run 5 billion dollars, give or take a few million my county annual budget...

I just LLLOOOVVVEEE citizens united... NOT.

It just smells like open and transparent democracy... (insert the serious sarcasm here).

[sabrina 1]

67. See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026603526

Those are some of the brilliant, original organizers of OWS now leading the way, AGAIN, in a direction different to their origiinal movement which was the FIRST PHASE.

As a member I am thrilled to start on this second phase and expect that all the OWS groups across the country will do what they did before, get organized for this campaign and join with other grass roots groups, as they did initially, when the Unions joined them and the movement grew, and grew.

[cali]

19. why would you? It's not like you're involved with OW

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Was that before the rubber chicken and big donations

or after?

[brooklynite]

32. Why would I? Unlike some people here, I don't try to live in a bubble...

I like to know the thinking of people who disagree with me. It makes life more interesting.

[Marr]

24. Wait- they didn't notify the better salons? /nt

[roguevalley]

72. my two faves joining forces. :D:D:D

[Eleanors38]

75. So? I fish without a leader. Successful!y, too.

[SamKnause]

2. Sweet

[NCTraveler]

3. I'm really missing something here.

I am a part of the movement and I didn't endorse him. Not that I wouldn't. Who is speaking for me in the movement? Seems to be an enormous change.

[sabrina 1]

6. Where are you a member?

[NCTraveler]

10. I get that it is the style around here.

But answering a question, with a question that has nothing to do with the initial question, doesn't foster debate.

[sabrina 1]

18. I asked a legitimate question. OWS is operating all over the country and has different groups

in Chicago eg, SF, NY. They still meet and vote on issues as they did from the start.

Since the OP is speaking about Bernie, I am assuming he is referring to the group in his state.

Sorry you think every question is a challenge, it isn't.

I am also curious since I am in NY and would love to get a vote on supporting him.

[NCTraveler]

22. I am knowledgeable on Occupy.

You came in and asked a question that had nothing to do with my reply. Wasn't even a good attempt at deflection. Once again, poor style. If you have nothing to add to my question, why ask a question that is not relevant. Maybe you can tell me what has changed?

I don't think you challenged me. Pretty poor assumption about me on your part. You asked a non-pertinent question to the question you were replying to.

[sabrina 1]

27. You said you were part of the Movement. So am I. I am in NY and have not been asked to endorse

Bernie yet. So, I asked you where you were a member, you took offense, if someone had asked me that question I would have answered 'NY'.

Now you say you are 'knowledgeable' which kind of explains why you might have not wanted to answer what was a very legitimate question.

No I didn't challenge you, I asked because so far I have not been asked in NY to endorse Bernie, which of course I will if and when there is a General Assembly or for those who cannot attend, online request.

I can't help how you react to legitimate questions, that is not my problem.

I will now go ask the question from members in NY.

[NCTraveler]

39. Once again, nothing about my original post.

It makes no sense that you replied. Well it does actually. It is a time honored tradition to answer a question with a question that has nothing to do with the original question. Reasons are very clear. You are still going off the reservation and replying to something that isn't there. Have at it.

"I can't help how you react to legitimate questions, that is not my problem." Thanks for that. One of the funniest things I have read today considering what you have done here. I think you are typing too fast and not reading a lick. You can't be reading and actually type that in honest. Great laugh though.

[sabrina 1]

48. I have found the answer to my question. And yours, I assume. And no, my question was due to the

fact that I was unaware of the endorsement, as you appeared to be. Since I am in NY I simply wondered where you were.

Now I have found the answer and have had a chance to vote on the endorsement of Bernie for president.

I will write an OP for those who are interested, members of OWS or not, and who would like to endorse him also.

The organizers of the group, are from the original OWS organizers and have decided, for the first time as members of OWS to endorse a political candidate. They have put up a website where at the moment, Bernie has 93% support v 3% opposing.

I was puzzled because I know that OWS has many groups throughout the country and I follow most of them on Twitter, but had heard nothing so far about this. That is ALL my question was about.

Now I am sure that other groups from all over the country will get the information and will have a chance to vote on this.

I will forward it to the groups I follow on Twitter.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Send me a link

time to stretch fingers and write a news story

[sabrina 1]

54. That would be great. I am working on the OP right now, and will send you a link and put it in the OP

The more publicity this gets, the more supporters Bernie has.

Edit to add link: http://www.peopleforbernie.com/

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Look at this

http://www.occupy.com/article/why-bernie-sanders-only-populist-candidate-president

[LanternWaste]

64. I think you should dig in even deeper, as it's so far illustrating your ability to comprehend quite

I think you should dig in even deeper, as it's so far illustrating your ability to comprehend relevant qualifiers quite accurately.

I also think you should continue to refuse to find out the answer to your question on your own so you may continue with the digging uninterrupted.

[bvar22]

44. I'm not speaking for OWS.

I AM speaking for what Thom Hartmann broadcast on his show today.

[sabrina 1]

52. I have found the source, and will post it in an OP so that any questions about the endorsement will

be answered. I wasn't doubting the OP btw, just wondered if it was his Home State group since he endorsed them very publicly in 2011.

Original Organizers of OWS decided to put up a website asking for an endorsement of Bernie explaining why on the site, since OWS has shied away from endorsing politicians as a group.

I think it is excellent news and that it will be circulated to all the groups. So far, it is 93% - 3% for Bernie.

Doubt that will change as more members of the movement check in.

Thanks for the OP, I might have missed it otherwise.

[bvar22]

59. Thank You.

I trust Thom Hartmann to tell the truth,
especially on Fridays when he hosts "Brunch with Bernie".
Bernie Sanders was THERE when Thom announced the endorsement from OWS.

Thanks for the update, and I await your OP.

[sabrina 1]

68. It's exciting because they are some of the original organizers of OWS who were absolutely brilliant

The OP is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026603526

I can see this growing the way the original movement grew. Seems people are signing up on their site right now.

[malthaussen]

7. I agree.

The whole point of Occupy is that they are a popular movement. No one should arrogate to himself the authority to speak for them as a whole.

-- Mal

[sabrina 1]

11. No one does. If you understood how it works, there is consensus taken on issues before

such decisions are made.

And there are OWS movements all over the country. Since Bernie was very supportive of them, it should not be any surprise that many of those groups would support someone who understood why they were protesting Wall St Corruption.

[malthaussen]

21. Oh, I'm sure OWS should be supporting Bernie.

The way the post is worded, though, it makes it seem that some central organ is making the decisions, which seems inconsistant. You're in OWS, did anyone ask your opinion?

-- Mal

[sabrina 1]

30. No, but I am in NY. I am assuming that the OP is referring to OWS in Bernie's home state.

OWS is all over the country and do not hold National General Assemblies to my knowledge. I am hoping to be asked in NY as I will definitely endorse him.

[bvar22]

47. Again, NOBODY in this post is speaking for OWS.

I AM speaking for what I heard in Thom Hartmann today.
If you have an issue, call Thom Hartmann.

[JaneyVee]

42. I'm pretty sure Kalle Lasn and Adbusters gets to speak for them.

[sabrina 1]

4. Both Bernie and Warren were very supportive of OWS. They are still going strong, supporting the

homeless, eliminating Student Debt, helping those still being foreclosed on.

That is good news, though expected. I follow the various OWS groups on Twitter and am not surprised they would support someone like Bernie who represents the people over Wall St.

[sabrina 1]

9. 'cause it isn't in the media anymore, they thought it had disappeared!

It SHOULD be in the media, but the media only covers protests and movements when they are being brutalized and crushed by the 'army' as they were called by NYC's Mayor of the 1%, for the 1%.

Then, when that mission has appeared to have been accomplished, the Corporate media moves on.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Well locally

it has atomized to the point that occupiers are part of Sandiego350 for example and they do not want to be referred as part of OWS.

We have a few others that have done that, The Madrid model... of course Occupy Foreclosures still carries the name proudly.

[sabrina 1]

37. I follow most of the State OWS groups on twitter and yes, they join other

groups to support them, organizing protesters, in Ferguson eg, though as you say, not under their own title in such cases.

Chicago, SF, NY, NH, NJ, and elsewhere are all still active but often in support of other groups when needed.

[BrotherIvan]

12. Yeah, it's so tired

[polichick]

8. That's where the conversation started - perfect!

[NCTraveler]

13. While I don't get what is being said in the op.

You bring up a good point. Many have asked "what good has occupy done?" They did a great job at starting and continuing a very important conversation. Without occupy and the conversation started years ago I doubt we would be looking at Sanders as a serious contender. Years of talking about certain issues makes them become more palatable to the public.

[polichick]

16. I keep thinking about OWS saying "enough is enough" by their actions...

And then E Warren and Bernie saying those words over and over during the last few months - and also all the protests with people in the streets saying the same thing. It's ONE movement!

[sabrina 1]

23. What's amazing is how quickly those in power moved to try to shut them down. Initially OWS was only

supposed to protest in one city, NYC, and only for at most, about a week if they could last that long.

What galvanized the movement was the attacks by the NYPD on peaceful protesters and even observers. That brought out the crowdes and it spread rapidly across the country.

Actually OWS was based on other such protests, in Spain eg, after people realized that one day protests had not accomplished much of anything, no matter how big they were, the Anti War protests, eg. After a day of protesting, with no coverage by the media, they went home, and were dismissed.

So two groups decided to remain on the streets rather than go home. OWS was the most successful, and in large part, thanks to the NYPD.

[polichick]

29. Thank-you for the reminder - interesting how people are finally responding...

to being pushed around, robbed and conned by tptb. Enough is enough, indeed.

I'm so thrilled to see the "revolution" taking shape all over the country!

[NCTraveler]

26. I think we often don't recognize the change in conversation....

and give it the credit it deserves. It is understandable as there is a lot of pain in the country right now. But the conversation really is moving in a positive direction on many issues. Some of the verbiage was considered taboo a mere decade ago. I think the lunacy of the tea party also helped in that. Their hatred could be felt by so many Americans.

[polichick]

36. True - a kind of darkness, evil really, descended on this country...

in various forms over 3-4 decades - and the people are finally figuring out how to respond.

[ananda]

34. Good for them!

I wasn't sure that Occupy was still a movement.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

43. god help us

look at this thread

how do we EVER win elections

[BeanMusical]

45. Makes me happy too!

[NuclearDem]

46. Not how Occupy works, but whatever.

[WillyT]

55. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[lewebley3]

57. How can occopy movement endorsed Bernie: they had no leaders!! or Leadership!

That is why occupy movement died, it stood of everything, and nothing!!

[bvar22]

61. Just for you:

Go OWS!
Go Bernie!

[lewebley3]

62. Same emptiness Ended the movement: All those people could have voted!

They also could run for office themselves, instead of bashing people
who do run for office

[bvar22]

73. Do you have any stats or links to support your claim?

It sounds like you just made it up.

[lewebley3]

83. No I didn't make up voting works: That is How Obama became President!!

Last edited Sat May 2, 2015, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Voting works :we have an new Health Care Program, because of
hardworking Dem's. If you want to stop the Banks, run for office
and get a vote in congress.


It works, that is what the GOP has done;

[bvar22]

84. Thatr has absolutely NOTHING to do with your original post..

...where I challenged you to produce links or support for your claims

You have failed to do so.
That leads thinking people to believe you have none,
and so must be Making-Stuff-Up and posting it to DU.

[daleanime]

63. I love that.....

is it OK to steal it? (Think it make a great T-shirt)

[bvar22]

69. By all means.

I stole it from somewhere on the Net.

[Fairgo]

77. Green shoots

Innovation that reimagines empowerment must establish itself first in many green shoots in many neighborhoods by many, many hands led by an idea through many, many, many local expressions. If one needs to see a " thing" to make it real, back up, squint your eyes and watch how the green shoots grow...as you say, you will know them by their actions.

[NuclearDem]

78. Occupy doesn't have leaders.

It's organized into a horizontal hierarchy and functions as a true participatory democracy through its local general assemblies.

Anonymous functions in a very similar way.

[project_bluebook]

58. All intelligent Americans endorse Bernie Sanders

but is there enough intelligent Americans to get him elected?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

60. Bernie is sure to

get the Thom Hartmann bump ....

[SoapBox]

66. So is FuksFakeNews, spewing and spitting about this yet?

Socialists! Facists! Liberals!!!!

[Motown_Johnny]

70. Anarchists endorse Socialist, details at 11:00

the MSM is gonna love this

[Enthusiast]

71. I am very happy to hear this. K&R a whole bunch!

[turbinetree]

74. If I may say...............

we are the Occupy Movement, everyday, and we must inject ourselves in this movement everyday.
We do it in this thread everyday.

From my past experience we injected ourselves against the Vietnam conflict, we were the Occupy Movement from the colleges, to the everyday worker, and we are still that movement just 60-50 years later----because it was----- We the people------the human beings, being drafted and not having the right to do certain daily items in our 18 year old lives, but we could die, because a piece a paper said that you were eligible to die------you had to wait to see if you got the letter to report------and some got out and away from the draft because of wealth and connections, or they just left.

The 99% of today are like us from days gone past-----We are people----the human beings that are having our rights taken away from us because we have not been bought and sold for political corruption.

Sanders has not taken one dollar from an oligarchy since he has run for office, how many of the other candidates can say that in this current field------not one------that is why Occupy Movement is bigger, its there, 99% of our everyday lives we just don't call it that today

I also heard on Hartmann's' radio show that Sanders got the endorsement.
Guess what, I am still a human being from yesterday to today as the Occupy Movement and I endorse Mr. Sanders

[truedelphi]

76. Well said, and I agree in total.

It makes me happy to think I will have someone to vote for, should he get on the ballot.

[turbinetree]

79. Thanks

it makes me happy also that I can really put a vote onto someone's shoulders such as Senator Sanders knowing that he will work for me, you and others and his principles have not wavered

[woo me with science]

81. +1000000 The contrast exposes Third way frauds and predators for what they are.

We've come to accept the monied corruption, the flat-out lies, and the constant propaganda assaults of corporate government as business as usual. Bernie is a blast of fresh air making us aware by sheer contrast how sick and predatory the standard, manipulative MO of our corporate politicians really is.

Bernie Sanders reminds us of what our representatives are supposed to be. He is an honest politicians who does not take bribes and does not campaign on one agenda and then govern from another. That is why the PTB and their propaganda brigades are so threatened by him. He reminds Americans what we have a right to expect from our representatives....but never get to see from our corporate politicians except in their lying corporate advertisements.

[turbinetree]

85. Great piece

have you seen the new video by Alan Grayson about the TPP
TradeTreachery.com
It is excellent, and I hope Sanders gets permission to use this in his ads----
It strikes at the very core of why we are seeing people in the streets like Baltimore, Ferguson, Minneapolis, Long Beach, Seattle, every where basically in this country are trade policies are creating a economic de facto third rate state in the world and because of the corruption in politics of greed and the oligarchy fiasco by this greed and it being allowed is outrageous -------its like were fodder, I am and you are not fodder, I am and you are a human being, and I want and demand mind you to be treated with respect and dignity.
This election is a very much needed wake up call and this is why I am volunteering for his campaign to combat this machine of greed and the right wing U.S. Supreme Court

[RoccoR5955]

80. WE ARE THE 99%...

and we of Occupy Hudson Valley, which had a GA, voted to support Bernie Sanders for President in 2014!
And no, we do not have a website. It was done at our informal meeting last night.

[woo me with science]

82. Huge K&R Here comes the political revolution.

We are the 99 percent.