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http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treasonIn my lifetime we have had the two worse Presidents in history.
This evil POS and the brainless ne-er-do-well.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)because of the incalculable long-term damage they did, but old Three-Dollar-Bill Dick is right behind them. Nixon had the character and instincts of a crooked two-bit ward-heeler and the ethics of a hyena. Add that to his persecution complex and you had a walking disaster as POTUS.
My dad used to say Nixon was so crooked that he needed two people to help him screw his pants on each morning
radiclib
(1,811 posts)The man who introduced me to honest political writing.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Especially his Watergate coverage. I am sure it rubbed off, but I heard my dad say that about the Trickster before I read HST.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)that it was too bad that that Nixon resigned since he was a great president. Huh? What the...! Not only that, but years later, my friend started parroting his dad. Nixon was great but Reagan was better.
We kept in touch until he started saying that the Shrub was right about everything including starting the war in Iraq.
Needless to say, we're no longer friends.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Pffffft.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)Since Nixon WAS the wrong crowd he was IN the wrong crowd.
PEACE!
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The CCC
(463 posts)Friends don't let friends vote republican.
murielm99
(30,769 posts)that said that.
I remember this grafitti on the stall doors in the Rice library bathroom.
Don't change dicks in the middle of a screw, re-elect Nixon in 72
and
Nixon had to see deep throat three times before he could get it down pat.
cilla4progress
(24,779 posts)Chuck Todd on Sunday. Not the least was listening to Boehner say, "Listen (arghh - HATE IT WHEN HE SAYS THIS SO ARROGANTLY!!) we've had 50 years of failed liberal (urban) policies", this why Baltmore is happening...."
Toad should have called him on that: hell 28 of the past 50 years were under regressive, elitist, monomaniacal, plutocratic Republican administrations. Todd didn't say a thing. So sick of pandering pseudo-journalists.
So don't give me that shit, Boehner.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in.
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/harrystrum128324.html#btvLAcEVDvsTRabj.99
immoderate
(20,885 posts)There were none worse.
--imm
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Another trouble-maker.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)At least he didn't fuck up the fall of the Soviet Union.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Nixon was his daddy's protege as HW was Nixon's. Cheney's job was to be president while W played the part.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)before he ever managed to reproduce.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)his boss, Avaril Harriman, and that his widow, Pamela Digby Churchill Harriman was the one who really moved the Democratic Party to the Right of Nixon and gave us
President Hillary.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)eom
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts.
-George H.W. Bush
- See more at: http://wikiprotest.com/blog/if-the-american-people-knew-what-we-have-done-they-would-string-us-up-from-the-lamp-posts-george-hw-bush/#sthash.Y2ZcKKdV.dpuf
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)They are all part of the same ongoing conspiracy and if I can walk I will dance all over their graves. Evil.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Reaganomics "Voodoo Economics". He also gave the NRA the middle finger, made Kuwait and SA pay for most of Desert Storm and didn't go in and get Saddam Hussein because he had the report (the same one his son did) that said it would take years and the results were still uncertain.
HW took a lot of flack for not going after Saddam Hussein but he at least did what was right by the country. Those troops sat in the desert for months while he tried to negotiate a diplomatic solution. He pushed them back into Iraq and left. If only his son could have learned from his example.
In my mind, HW is the least bad Republican we've seen since Ike. He may have done a lot of damage, but he could have done so much more.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Have a look at who April Glaspie is.
The PG war did as much to birth Al Qaeda as anything else.
Being better than junior is not a great endorsement.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Jr.
Bush Sr. could have done so much more damage. We are lucky we escaped his term relatively unscathed compared to what came before him and what came after him.
And whatever.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)HW was and is evil, IMO. He did an incredible amount of damage. October Surprise, Iran-Contra, I still think the first gulf war was a trap play on Sadaam (see Glaspie), death squads in south and central america, the S & L scandal which Bush and his family were directly involved in, CIA cocaine and heroin shipments, Danny Casalero, it goes on and on. Before Goldman was named the vampire squid, we had GHW Bush's Octopus of scandals, the stench was everywhere, and it ran very deep.
Now, if you want to get into comparative evil between Reagan, GHW Bush, and GW Bush, reasonable people can differ, personally I found GHW Bush to be the most genuinely evil of the three.
I just didn't want anything diminishing the crimes of GHW Bush to go unchallenged on this site, he was seriously bad news.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)vanlassie
(5,691 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Octafish has probably posted a thousand posts on these matters.
I'm not absolving Reagan or W, not at all, but HW was one of or perhaps the central figure in most of these things, whereas Reagan and W were the dufuses put in charge mostly for their ability to project "warmth" while HW and his people (Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.) neocon-ed a large portion of this good earth.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)So many of them lost their seats in the next 2 election cycles that we wound up with a weakened Democratic-controlled Congress.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,234 posts)We're still living with the consequences of Nixon today. Roger Ailes of Fux Noise was Nixon's media consultant and had a role electing him in 1968.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)and has become the Republican playbook:
1. Ronald Reagan's team in '80 "Iranian weapons for hostages"
2. Republican Senate now on "Iranian nuclear treaty"
Unfortunately, it now only go down as a footnote in an obsure dusty history book that very few will even notice.
Mike Nelson
(9,970 posts)...was not a deterrent, obviously. Perhaps Nixon should have gone to prison.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
samsingh
(17,601 posts)I guess everyone wants to talk bengazi
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Two years of my life, down the drain, because of a lying republican traitor.
Johnson was dead wrong, to let that slide.
Now the 47 in the Senate will get a free pass on their own traitorous acts.
JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)not so much anymore.
At the time it sucked big time. But it did teach me some good lessons and I did get to travel to some beautiful places.
That Nixon did what he did, behind the president's back, during a war, kind of brought back the bitter taste of the entire Vietnam era and all it really stood for.
Now the GOP can't wait to send more of our jobs to the Communist hordes.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)had or have consciences). Useless deaths. Vietnamese and American deaths just so that Nixon could get elected. What a horrible man.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Typical GOPer hero type!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Rolando
(88 posts)He was AWFUL.
spanone
(135,888 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)rurallib
(62,455 posts)Bush 2 - treason (lying us into war)
I am seeing a pattern
UTUSN
(70,747 posts)kairos12
(12,875 posts)RT Atlanta
(2,517 posts)Lays it out there in cold hard facts that seem undeniable and confirm what many have believed for years. It's sad to me that it takes 40+ years after these guys are dead (sometimes) for the truth to come out.
LBJ being persuaded to sit on his hands sort of reminds me of the Gore/Bush supreme court decision and Gore taking the high road after the court selected bush. Yuk!
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I've put that above even Nixon all these years. I was wrong.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that when LBJ confronted him with the evidence he acted just like Nixon. The dirty little coward lied out of his teeth, denied everything and spoke in hollow platitudes.
When Nixon died, President Clinton gave federal employees the day off so they could stay at home at watch the funeral. I was contracted at that time to Mare Island Naval Shipyard in California. I made it a point to go to work.
I'm glad I did.
underpants
(182,919 posts)yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)He certainly aided and abetted Nixon's treason - and was rewarded for it by Nixon.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... maybe this revelation will take him down. I wouldn't surprised to learn that Nixon gave Ronzo some pointers when that fuck sabotaged Carter's negotiations with Iran.
Republicans are filth beneath contempt.
willing dwarf
(1,089 posts)When he negotiated with Iranians to not release hostages until after the election of Reagan, (he was running as Reagan's V.P). I saw a documentary with all sorts of footage about a meeting in France for this purpose. You can really draw a criminal line right along from Nixon (this, secret bombings of Cambodia &, of course, Watergate) to Ford ( pardoning Nixon) to Reagan (Iranian hostage deal and then Iran-Contra arms trading) to George Bush Sr. to W with his trumped up weapons of mass destruction and war in Iraq. Not one of them is clean. A shower of bastards.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Nixon thought the DNC and Larry O'Brien had some documents to prove what Nixon did.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Both of them. Period.
Johnson for lying us into that damn war and Nixon for prolonging it.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"War in Vietnam" redirects here. For other wars in Vietnam, see Military history of Vietnam.
"Indochina conflict" redirects here. For the conflict in French Indochina, see Indochina War.
The Vietnam War (Vietnamese: Chiến tranh Việt Nam), also known as the Second Indochina War, and also known in Vietnam as Resistance War Against America (Vietnamese: Kháng chiến chống Mỹ ) or simply the American War, was a Cold War-era proxy war that occurred in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia from 1 November 1955 to the fall of Saigon on 30 April 1975. This war followed the First Indochina War (194654) and was fought between North Vietnamsupported by the Soviet Union, China and other communist alliesand the government of South Vietnamsupported by the United States and other anti-communist allies. The Viet Cong (also known as the National Liberation Front, or NLF), a South Vietnamese communist common front aided by the North, fought a guerrilla war against anti-communist forces in the region. The People's Army of Vietnam (also known as the North Vietnamese Army) engaged in a more conventional war, at times committing large units to battle.
As the war continued, the part of the Viet Cong in the fighting decreased as the role of the NVA grew. U.S. and South Vietnamese forces relied on air superiority and overwhelming firepower to conduct search and destroy operations, involving ground forces, artillery, and airstrikes. In the course of the war, the U.S. conducted a large-scale strategic bombing campaign against North Vietnam, and over time the North Vietnamese airspace became the most heavily defended in the world.
The U.S. government viewed its involvement in the war as a way to prevent a Communist takeover of South Vietnam. This was part of a wider containment policy, with the stated aim of stopping the spread of communism. The North Vietnamese government and the Viet Cong were fighting to reunify Vietnam under communist rule. They viewed the conflict as a colonial war, fought initially against forces from France and then America, and later against South Vietnam.
Beginning in 1950, American military advisors arrived in what was then French Indochina. U.S. involvement escalated in the early 1960s, with troop levels tripling in 1961 and again in 1962. U.S. involvement escalated further following the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, in which a U.S. destroyer clashed with North Vietnamese fast attack craft, which was followed by the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which gave the U.S. president authorization to increase U.S. military presence. Regular U.S. combat units were deployed beginning in 1965. Operations crossed international borders: bordering areas of Laos and Cambodia were heavily bombed by U.S. forces as American involvement in the war peaked in 1968, the same year that the communist side launched the Tet Offensive. The Tet Offensive failed in its goal of overthrowing the South Vietnamese government but became the turning point in the war, as it persuaded a large segment of the United States population that its government's claims of progress toward winning the war were illusory despite many years of massive U.S. military aid to South Vietnam.
Much more at the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Di.E1.BB.87m_era.2C_1955.E2.80.9363
edhopper
(33,629 posts)on Civil Rights and the Great Society?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The southern strategy and the war on poverty show completely opposite world views.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)the game. He's an asshole with 'good hair.'
I mean, really--"in other news, water still wet."
eridani
(51,907 posts)Nixon was certainly oily and disagreeable, but the EPA was established on his watch.
edhopper
(33,629 posts)and Reagan was good on nuclear arms.
Nixon was a straight up crook and a vile man. 25,000 men died under his watch because he prolonged the War.
Gothmog
(145,627 posts)There is a special place in hell for him
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They're Republicans, it's what they dotreason!
Punx
(446 posts)Is there one of them that would not do the same thing, or worse if they were able and it would help deliver the presidency?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Some people go to great lengths to ridicule CT. But some times they prove out. IMO as liberals we need to keep an open mind about CT and not censor it off-hand. Of course we should always use common sense.
Reagan's treason also was CT for a long time as is the theft of the 2004 presidential election.
Think tanks conspire by definition.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Both Americans and Vietnamese? How many deaths due to this? "Treason" is putting it gently.
edhopper
(33,629 posts)about6 half of the American causalities.
1939
(1,683 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)When we lost somebody we said they got "wasted."
Welcome to DU!
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)who were called conspiracy theorists for believing that Nixon committed treason....it's cool, now you can be believed.
Baitball Blogger
(46,760 posts)It's time to go after Kissinger. We should at least strip him of every award that he has ever been given.
20,000 young men died that should have been home with us.
Please, please Dem candidates and leaders, throw Henry under the bus.
elleng
(131,159 posts)lark
(23,160 posts)I will be severely disappointed in her if she doesn't make a public show of hitting Kissinger and the "Republican president" for causing the deaths of 20,000 Americans, a million injured Americans and a million dead Vietnamese people for purely political gain. This should be top of the page large headlines, but will it?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)are my worst. Certainly they were all very corrupt. Andrew Jackson probably one of the worst in history if not worst.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)to be true, when I heard that CT. But noooooooooo! Kissinger, that POS, caused many more american deaths and countless Vietnamese lives by helping nixon undermine LBJ and continuing that WAR. All for power. Nixon was a real piece of work.....and Atwaters "Southern Strategy" went a long way towards assuring that racist society of the late 60's, early 70's, would continue, even on to today in 2015.
calimary
(81,514 posts)We've had to suffer at least two since nixon.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.middle class and we will never be the same. Nixon was a mild crook who couldn't be elected by his own party today, compared to what Reagan and Bush have done to us.
So the two worst were Reagan and the Chimp. The pending impeachment of Nixon made his effects less lethal, I think.
CanonRay
(14,119 posts)IMHO. It's not too late to indict Kissinger.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)That old campaign slogan of his is true but in a bad way.
Thom Hartmann has played tapes of LBJ talking to one of the head republican senators, LBJ says what Nixon did was treason, the republican agrees.
Of course the Gipper did too or Carter might well have had two terms.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Nixon's An Even Bigger One in '72
Don't change Dicks in the middle of a screw
Vote for Nixon in '72
captainarizona
(363 posts)Will we start calling republicans the party of treason? Jimmy carter thought mention the hostage treason would hurt the two party system! Will hillary attack back say I am being attacked by the party of treason?
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Cuz America, and boot straps, and personal responsibility, and...LOOK SQUIRREL!!!!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)DemoTex
(25,405 posts)From my un-armed electronic recce aircraft in Laos and Cambodia. I still have nightmares. If there is a hell ..