Christian Right leaders escalate anti LGBT threats

[DonViejo]

FREDERICK CLARKSON
Senior Fellow, Political Research Associates

As marriage equality has advanced around the country, and the U.S. Supreme Court is set to rule on the issue in June, threatening language is escalating on the Christian Right. If these culture warriors actually follow through with their threats, the story of our time may turn on terms like civil disobedience, martyrdom and even civil war. The operative word here is, “if.”

In recent years, we have repeatedly heard threats of civil disobedience from Christian Right Leaders – everyone from the signers of the historic, 2009 Manhattan Declaration (which included top Roman Catholic prelates and evangelical and organized Christian right leaders), to Rick Warren.

We have heard predictions of civil war, revolution, and martyrdom from the likes of Catholic thinker John McCloskey, theocratic evangelical intellectual Peter Leithart, and even Christian Right electoral activist David Lane. We have also heard calls for political assassinations and secessionist civil war from White Southern Christian Nationalists, Michael Hill, David Whitney, and Michael Peroutka.

Most recently, some 200 Christian Right figures signed a renewed pledge of resistance to the anticipated Supreme Court decision favoring marriage equality.

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http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/05/christian-right-leaders-escalate-anti-lgbt-threats/

[TheMastersNemesis]

1. Too Bad We Can't Feed These Pricks To The Lions. Lions Would Not Eat Them.

[Iliyah]

2. Texas is getting the ball rolling re: USA government trying to

take over Texas.

[RKP5637]

3. Time to open the lion pits, no wonder they did that. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

4. Numerous threads filled with outrage over Geller's hate speech flourished while this sunk.

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Not to be outdone, anti-LGBTQ activist Scott Lively announced that the only way to thwart marriage equality is with the “threat of the mob.” Lively is walking a line as like those who have come before – wanting people to take his call seriously, even as he characterizes it as but a metaphor.

“The elites need to see the angry mob – liberals and conservatives together – surging through the streets, pitchforks and torches held aloft, ready to tear down Frankenstein’s castle with their bare hands if need be. For Christians it’s Jesus and the moneychangers time! Making a whip of cords like He did with His own hands, and letting these arrogant puppet-masters know we mean to use it (metaphorically speaking).”

“The only way to deter the elites is with the threat of the mob,” Lively concluded. “They need to see the pitchforks and torches to know they’ve gone too far and need to back down.”

You people do realize how much of a threat the anti-lgbt christian right is, don't you?

That the kind of hatred they've been ginning up for decades is every bit as dangerous?

And that's it's escalating?

Less than a dozen recs for this op?


Shame.

[RKP5637]

9. What this will do is give the green light to some crackpot(s) that this is open season

on all LGBT. This, is not free speech. This is incitement. We put up with too much in this country and label it as just free speech.

[beam me up scottie]

19. This is scary as hell.

I'm not worried about a huge mob burning down buildings, I'm worried about individual vigilantes who will target gays.

We've seen what happens when they're whipped up into a frenzy.

[skepticscott]

10. People are too busy gushing over

how the "faith community" is supposedly leading the charge for marriage equality, completely ignoring the fact that if it weren't for religious opposition to it, the whole thing wouldn't even be an issue, let alone a fight.

[beam me up scottie]

20. Don't forget to thank them for ending slavery.

And getting women and blacks the vote, etc.

Let's be nice and pretend they weren't the oppressors we needed protection from.

[Binkie The Clown]

15. But, but, they are Christians! One cannot criticize religions, no matter what they do.

Free pass for religion again.

[beam me up scottie]

21. It's always different for the religious.

Hate speech targeting gays gets a "meh" on DU.

Geller's group makes the headlines and it's WE NEED TO BAN HATE SPEECH!!1!

[hifiguy]

23. The religulous always get a pass.

Mustn't upset their widdle feewings.

People are born gay and lesbian. Religulous idiots affirmatively opt for their chosen idiocy.

[beam me up scottie]

25. The big mistake Geller made is not claiming her hate is motivated by her religious beliefs.

Hating people because your god told you to is perfectly acceptable.

[Binkie The Clown]

26. The difference is threats of violence.

The rule seems to be "We'll defend you if you threaten to kill us for not defending you."

It's very similar to the rationale that goes "We'll be moral and honest if you threaten us with hellfire and damnation." It seems to work on some people, and some people even convince themselves that they are good just because, or that they should defend the poor defenseless Muslims just because.

I've got news for them. The Muslims are grown ups. They are adults. They can take care of themselves. They really don't need Christian bleeding hearts to rush in and rescue them from the bad lady who says naughty things about them. Folks, you really don't need to be the white knight that rescues 1.6 billion Muslims from Pan Geller.

[beam me up scottie]

27. Lgbt people haven't tried to shoot anyone.

Seems like that's what it takes to get attention from many DUers who claim to abhor hate speech.

[Binkie The Clown]

33. Exactly! n/t

[Jamastiene]

28. I didn't see that.

It is getting downright scary with the Christian right over gay marriage. They really are losing their shit over this. I don't understand them at all, but they do scare me. I live in the belly of the beast, the Bible Belt.

[beam me up scottie]

29. So do I.

And the anti-lgbt rhetoric they're using is terrifying.

What should be a celebration (if SCOTUS rules in our favour) may well turn out to be the beginning of a new witch hunt.

[Jamastiene]

30. I don't think people who have never experienced the Bible Belt,

especially what it is like in smaller towns down here, really understand what we are trying to explain to them. I guess it is one of those "you have to experience it to understand it" situations.

[beam me up scottie]

32. The bigotry is very in your face.

They actually dare you to say something back.

I got a rep at work for calling out people who use the n-word. They used to say it in front of me like I was going to go along with them...wtf? Because I'm white you think I'm a racist like you?

I'm just a damn liberal yankee.

[Jamastiene]

35. You are right. It very much is in your face.

They openly blurt out whatever bigotry they want because it is what they claim is their "culture" and they know they can get by with it. They rule the roost where I live. It's really messed up. They know they are in charge and some of the things they do, even government employees, would not fly in any other area of the country. Some of the stuff I have personally been through in my hometown would not even fly in the larger cities in NC, but because this place is such a miserable backasswards county, those in charge get by with it. It is so hard to explain to people who have only ever been to the larger cities. They get a different experience in the larger cities, because there are at least *some* organizations for gay people and *some* hope. Where I live, nothing. When I came out, there was one organization in the entire state of NC for gay people. It was a Catholic group called Dignity and they weren't much help. They sent me brochures for their church. That didn't help at all.

[beam me up scottie]

36. I wish everyone could afford to move away from the bigots.

No one should have to go through that, especially alone.

I'm sorry Jamastiene, I wish I lived near you.

[Jamastiene]

38. Thank you.

We could look out for each other if we had a way to connect down here. They keep all of us isolated from each other as much as they can, it seems.

[beam me up scottie]

39. Can you imagine if all of DU's lgbt folks and their supporters from the bible belt got together?

What a party that would be.

Raise da roof!

[Cha]

5. Oh yeah, and Dr Ben Carson is right there with them.. I abhor tools like him.

[Behind the Aegis]

6. More to come.

This reflects on the musings from the article from another of your threads about "victory blindness." Too many don't see the actual threat.

[beam me up scottie]

7. I cross posted it in AA.

It might not get many recs but at least it will be read and discussed. It deserves at least that much.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/123041630

[DonViejo]

17. "Too many don't see the actual threat."....

and don't want to.

[LostOne4Ever]

8. BIG KICK AND REC!!!

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]WE have to fight these bigots tooth and nail until they are driven underground like white supremacist and vanish in the dust bin of history!!![/font]

[mountain grammy]

11. Last night on the "news" i heard iSIS has attracted at least 1000

young Americans to their cause and the righteous are terrified. Completely ignored are the numerous Christian white supremacy groups all around America. These groups hate like no other.. just think Tim McVeigh, a homegrown American Christian jihadist. The fanatics are whipped up by leaders in it mostly for the money, and I would put nothing past them.

[Jamastiene]

31. Remember Eric Rudolph?

He bombed a gay night club and a clinic. He blinded a nurse for life and killed a security guard at the abortion clinic. He also bombed the Olympics that year too. People try to downplay his actions. In Western NC, there were preachers offering to let him stay in their churches WHILE the FBI was there looking for him and there was even a song written about him, like he was some kind of hero to them or something.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

12. K&R

[Bluenorthwest]

13. DU reads this and thinks 'Wow, that would be awful, if it happened to Muslims, but it's just gays'.

Yesterday alone, there were threads about physical attacks, anti gay bill boards, Dr Carson's denigrations of LGBT, Huckabee at it again, a story about an international anti gay conference with Rick Warren and the Pope, stories about the TPA and Brunei and all of them sank like stones while people ran around claiming that Straight Religious people are the first and only group ever to encounter public and vile criticism.

[Binkie The Clown]

14. K&R

[PeaceNikki]

16. Hate speech wrapped in dogma is still hate speech.

But but but don't you dare mock or criticize their deeply held religious beliefs or you're the asshole.

Ugh. Fuck them.

[Initech]

18. These people are terrorists in the true definition of the word.

[hifiguy]

22. They did the same shit after Brown v. Board

and Baker v. Carr (the apportionment case).

These klowns are always gonna rise up for jebus but they never do.

And besides, nobody is saying their brainwashing centers, umm, churches, have to marry the gays. Judges can perform weddings. A judge I clerked for averaged one every couple of weeks.

[Coventina]

24. If I'd seen this earlier, I would have recced it earlier.

Very sorry to see this double standard on DU.....

[LostOne4Ever]

34. So happy to see this post getting the attention it deserves!

[HockeyMom]

37. I will defend my Married Lesbian Daughter's

life as her MOTHER. How DARE they even talk about murdering my CHILD who I created and raised.

Kill ME too, and they can shove their religion up their ass while they are at it.