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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:12 PM May 2015

Floyd Mayweather earned $250,000,000.00 for his fight

As a result of the unbelievable numbers, both Floyd Meayweather's and Manny Pacquiao's purses will be a lot higher than originally expected.

"Pac Man" will now take home anywhere between $114 million to $133 million, while it is believed that "Money" will be cashing a $250 million check for his efforts when it's all said and done.

Just let that sink in for a minute.


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Floyd Mayweather earned $250,000,000.00 for his fight (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 OP
Whole lotta suckers out there. n/t n2doc May 2015 #1
I know there's inflation but Ali earned about five million for his epic fight with George Foreman. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #3
True. PPV hadn't been invented yet, I think. n2doc May 2015 #4
There was sattelite but no PPV DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #8
There are probably as many parasites in boxing JonLP24 May 2015 #23
A few points... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #25
Don King is who I'd consider a parasite JonLP24 May 2015 #27
King is also the man who convinced Ali who already was exhibiting symptoms of Parkisnon's Disease... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #30
Yes, exactly what I was trying to say JonLP24 May 2015 #32
"Don King talks black, lives white and thinks green." DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #35
Mike Tyson & others say very similar things JonLP24 May 2015 #48
Saw the movie, read the book... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #59
Uh? shenmue May 2015 #2
Except how much do THEY get? Archae May 2015 #5
Mayweather is his own promoter... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #11
is he even alive ? JI7 May 2015 #17
82 and down to promoting B-list fighters JonLP24 May 2015 #29
They're both adults, but one has to ask ... Exilednight May 2015 #6
It seems to be hit or miss when it comes to neurological damage./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #9
True: if you get hard enough you have it. If they miss: you don't. Exilednight May 2015 #10
Yeah, the head wasn't made to be hit./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #12
seemed like everyone other than myself was into it JI7 May 2015 #7
And... our priorities are way wrong nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #13
I have big problems with NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB stadium financing JonLP24 May 2015 #22
I know, we have been writing about it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #46
I've been meaning to get my hands on either of The Field of Schemes JonLP24 May 2015 #50
Here the dance is with the Chargers nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #51
I've been reading about the Chargers for years JonLP24 May 2015 #56
You welcome nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #57
I was pretty sure it was something like that JonLP24 May 2015 #58
Yeah the first step will be when municipalities that can support nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #60
Coyote support was fine when they were at America West Arena JonLP24 May 2015 #64
The more he makes, the more tax we get seveneyes May 2015 #14
He lives in Nevada also, so he won't have to pay state taxes. Calista241 May 2015 #15
a fool and his money.... spanone May 2015 #16
are soon partying... customerserviceguy May 2015 #18
wow Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #19
And to think, all those $100 subscribers had to do was watch this video NobodyHere May 2015 #20
OUTSTANDING!!!! PCIntern May 2015 #47
Supply & demand JonLP24 May 2015 #21
I don't like the guy, I'm not wild about the sport, but . . . Vinca May 2015 #24
Oh noez! 99Forever May 2015 #26
This is why I've avoided the whole mess. RedCappedBandit May 2015 #28
What should the tax rate be on athletes and entertainers? kentuck May 2015 #31
So about 40% of that goes to the US Treasury, Nye Bevan May 2015 #33
Wow! I feel EXACTLY the same way as you. bravenak May 2015 #40
What? melman May 2015 #63
I really don't have as big of a problem with this like I do with other sports. At least boxers are craigmatic May 2015 #34
So they both won and everyone that paid for it lost Johonny May 2015 #36
"Earned" ?? eppur_se_muova May 2015 #37
Not arguing but Mayweather staged and financed the whole thing underpants May 2015 #45
The Showtime and HBO PPV exclusive contracts JonLP24 May 2015 #61
Now his Money team has even more money. bravenak May 2015 #38
Good work if you can get it Telcontar May 2015 #39
It's like anyone in the entertainment business The2ndWheel May 2015 #41
Theater has sparked insurrection and very often lead to progressive change. Boxing, not so Bluenorthwest May 2015 #49
That'll cover a lot of legal expenses in future domestic violence incidents. (nt) Paladin May 2015 #42
And help Manny fund his war against poor women's reproductive choice back home. PeaceNikki May 2015 #44
to put it in perspective... Takket May 2015 #43
that is completely fucked up bowens43 May 2015 #52
Lucky him. Lucky Manny. No one was FORCED to watch their pugilistic performance art... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #53
The dude's an egomaniac and batterer of women. bluegopher May 2015 #54
Just think, Bill Clinton would have to give 500 speeches at $500 to get this amount of money. Thinkingabout May 2015 #55
Ridiculous, but open, above-board and voluntary. hifiguy May 2015 #62

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. I know there's inflation but Ali earned about five million for his epic fight with George Foreman.
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:16 PM
May 2015

If he was in his prime today he would easily be a billionaire.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. True. PPV hadn't been invented yet, I think.
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:19 PM
May 2015

Plus all of the advertisement tie ins. Ali would have raked in the bucks.

I wonder if Mayweather will end up broke like Tyson in 10 years or so, though. Boxers seem to be able to go through any amount of money.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. There was sattelite but no PPV
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:21 PM
May 2015

I sometimes feel my childhood heroes like Muhammad Ali, Willie Mays, and Tom Seaver got cheated.

The most Willie made in one year was $200,000.00... A Rod got $29,000,000 for one year.



JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
23. There are probably as many parasites in boxing
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:02 AM
May 2015

as there were in Muhammad Ali's day. Well, I don't know for sure exactly but recall reading H2O Man talk about so many boxer's ring earnings in the pockets of their promoters & managers.

This is enough to make me cry

Leon is best known today for his upset victory over an aging Muhammad Ali, becoming the first man to win the heavyweight title in just his eighth fight. To me, Leon is one of the best examples of both a heavyweight champion representing the culture of his era, and a boxer who was victimized by both his own behavior and the wolves who exploit fighters.

Shortly after he won the title, Leon was arrested for driving the wrong way on a one-way street. Police found a small package of cocaine inside the liner of the hat he was wearing. Such things happen when a champion leaves a night club in the morning hours. However, when the disco music and the strobe lights faded, and the sun came up, Spinks found that his potential for a boxing career had slipped away. In a short time, all of his ring earnings were in other people’s pockets, and Leon was homeless. His "friends" all disappeared from his life.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=215x99733

This was Michael Spinks in 2011 suing their promoter's estate after he died

Boxing Champion Michael Spinks Sues Former Promoter’s Estate

Oct. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Ex-heavyweight boxing champion Michael Spinks sued the estate of his former promoter, Ronald E. “Butch” Lewis, alleging Lewis failed to properly manage millions of dollars Spinks earned in his career and violated agreements to continue paying the boxer’s living expenses.

Lewis, who died this year, commingled his personal funds with Spinks’s money and used the boxer’s winnings to pay personal and business expenses for himself and his children, Spinks said in a Delaware Chancery Court lawsuit. The suit also names Robert L. Johnson, founder of Black Entertainment Television, as a defendant. Johnson serves as one of the executors of Lewis’s $8.5 million estate, according to court filings.

“Lewis’s estate has refused to honor Lewis’s promise and has failed to pay any of Spinks’s living expenses,” the boxer’s lawyers said in the suit, filed yesterday in Wilmington, Delaware.

<snip>

Lewis, 65, died at his home in Bethany Beach, Delaware, in July. A former used car salesman in Philadelphia, Lewis rose to become one of the boxing world’s top deal-makers in the late 1970s and 1980s, according to the New York Times. He represented both Michael and Leon Spinks, two brothers who each won gold medals in the 1976 Olympic Games.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-10-14/boxing-champion-spinks-sues-former-promoter-s-estate-over-money

The business of boxing really hasn't changed, in fact it was Muhammad Ali in the first boxing PPV event in "The thrilla at Manilla" but the providers pay to carry the fight (HBO PPV for Pacquaio -- Showtime for Mayweather) but unlike regular broadcasting (who rake in more from advertisers than they bid on contracts varying on local TV deals -- NFL is entirely national broadcast) the promoters/boxers make more but they all insist on PPV giving them the leverage leaving them with a narrow audience they promote heavily their big ticket fighters such as HBO with Pacquaio. Not a league cooperatively interested in the overall health. Plus corruption & some ugly incidents steered the sport away from network TV leaving behind the parasites.

On the other hand some boxers are very skilled entrepreneurs. Mayweather is owned by Mayweather Promotions which is his own firm that is the most successful promotion firm next to Golden Boy Productions. Mayweather is probably more talented as a businessman than he is a boxer and he is a very talented boxer.

Muhammad Ali was very successful earner, I don't know where he is today with the Alzheimers but for the longest time he was earning more than active boxers from endorsements alone. Muhammad Ali lives northwest from me in Paradise Valley, Arizona very wealthy neighborhood.

Baseball players in Willie Mays era got ripped off for sure.

Curt Flood

hallenge of the reserve clause
Cardinals general manager Bing Devine's letter to Flood, informing him that he had been traded to the Phillies.
Flood's letter to Bowie Kuhn in December 1969. Flood states, "I do not feel that I am a piece of property to be bought and sold irrespective of my wishes." He then states that the Phillies have offered him a contract, but "I believe I have the right to consider offers from other clubs before making any decisions."

Despite his outstanding playing career, Flood's principal legacy developed off the field. He believed that Major League Baseball's decades-old reserve clause was unfair in that it kept players beholden for life to the team with which they originally signed, even when they had satisfied the terms and conditions of those contracts.

On October 7, 1969, the Cardinals traded Flood, Tim McCarver, Byron Browne, and Joe Hoerner to the Philadelphia Phillies for Dick Allen, Cookie Rojas, and Jerry Johnson. Flood refused to report to the moribund Phillies, citing the team's poor record and dilapidated Connie Mack Stadium, and for (what he thought were) belligerent—and racist—fans. Flood said, "That I didn't think that I was going to report to Philadelphia, mainly because I didn't want to pick up twelve years of my life and move to another city."[8] Some reports say he was also irritated that he had learned of the trade from a reporter;[9] but Flood wrote in his autobiography that he was told by midlevel Cardinals management and was angry that the call did not come from the general manager.[10] He met with Phillies' general manager John Quinn, who left the meeting believing that he had persuaded Flood to report to the team.[10] Flood stood to forfeit a lucrative $100,000 ($607,284 as of 2015)[11] contract if he did not report; but after a meeting with players' union head Marvin Miller,[12] who informed him that the union was prepared to fund a lawsuit, he decided to pursue his legal options.[3]

In a letter to Baseball Commissioner Bowie Kuhn, Flood demanded that the commissioner declare him a free agent:

December 24, 1969
After twelve years in the major leagues, I do not feel I am a piece of property to be bought and sold irrespective of my wishes. I believe that any system which produces that result violates my basic rights as a citizen and is inconsistent with the laws of the United States and of the several States.

It is my desire to play baseball in 1970, and I am capable of playing. I have received a contract offer from the Philadelphia club, but I believe I have the right to consider offers from other clubs before making any decision. I, therefore, request that you make known to all Major League clubs my feelings in this matter, and advise them of my availability for the 1970 season.[3][10]

Flood was influenced by the events of the 1960s that took place in the United States. According to Marvin Miller, Flood told the executive board of the players' union, "I think the change in black consciousness in recent years has made me more sensitive to injustice in every area of my life." However, he added that what he was doing in challenging the reserve clause was primarily as a major league ballplayer.[13]
Flood v. Kuhn
Main article: Flood v. Kuhn

Commissioner Kuhn denied Flood's request for free agency, citing the propriety of the reserve clause and its inclusion in Flood's 1969 contract. On January 16, 1970, Flood filed a $1 million lawsuit against Kuhn and Major League Baseball, alleging violation of federal antitrust laws.[14] Even though Flood was making $90,000 at the time,[1] he likened the reserve clause to slavery; it was a controversial analogy, even among those who opposed the reserve clause.[citation needed] Among those testifying on his behalf were former players Jackie Robinson and Hank Greenberg, and former owner Bill Veeck; no active players testified, nor did any attend the trial. Although players' union representatives had voted unanimously to support Flood, rank-and-file players were strongly divided, with many fervently supporting the management position.[3]

Flood v. Kuhn (407 U.S. 258) was argued before the Supreme Court on March 20, 1972. Flood's attorney, former Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg, asserted that the reserve clause depressed wages and limited players to one team for life. Major League Baseball's counsel countered that Commissioner Kuhn had acted "for the good of the game."[citation needed]

On June 19, 1972, the Supreme Court, invoking the principle of stare decisis ("to stand by things decided&quot , ruled 5-3 in favor of Major League Baseball, citing as precedent a 1922 ruling in Federal Baseball Club v. National League (259 U.S. 200). Justice Lewis Powell recused himself owing to his ownership of stock in Anheuser-Busch, which owned the Cardinals.[3]

In 1970 the owners and the MLBPA agreed to the "10/5 Rule" (sometimes called the "Curt Flood Rule&quot , which allows players with ten years of Major League service, the last five with the same team, to veto any trade.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Flood

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
25. A few points...
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:40 AM
May 2015

A few points...

I saw Leon Spinks in Vegas Christmas, 2013. He is in the very early stages of pugilistic dementia. Muhammad Ali has Parkinson's Syndrome, most likely ring related. My dad and uncles were boxers, the former an amateur and the latter a pro... My uncle was blinded in the ring in one eye from a detached retina which couldn't be surgically repaired because the procedure was in its infancy...Ironically, my dad was blinded from shrapnel in WW ll...

Boxing is a brutal sport and fraught with danger. I always am of two minds when watching it but so are a lot of other sports I and many others enjoy


Muhammad Ali, despite earning a lot !!! for his era was almost dead broke before he sold the rights to his image for $50,000.00.


Don King is a rat. It's no wonder he is a Republican.






JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
27. Don King is who I'd consider a parasite
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:12 AM
May 2015

Promoters pushing boxers past being healthy, plus not having enough because their ring earnings are in the pocket of the promoter which led Ali to fight Holmes then I think one more showing all the troubling symptoms. That's the problem generally for something less acceptable but tolerated is parasites take over. The sport needs better regulation Hopefully with Golden Boy Promotions or Mayweather Promotions they bring some honor to the profession that also looks out for the interests of their fighters both financially & physically.

I looked up Don King -- saw all his big name fighters ended up suing him. I remember the King - Holmes fight 30 for 30 documentary. Anyway, I saw he's down to promoting some B-list fighters this year.

I came across this interesting article

Lem’s latest: Larry Holmes told Don King ‘I can’t beat Mike Tyson’

Larry Holmes on his response to Don King when approached to fight Mike Tyson:

"What I remember was Don King knocking at my door around 9 at night. I was retired two years. Don said he wanted me to fight somebody he said he knew I could beat. I asked him who, and he said, 'Mike Tyson.' I said I can't beat Mike Tyson.

"Don said, 'What if I give you 3 ½ million dollars?,' and I said, 'Where's Mike at?' I'm just glad he didn't kill me. He knocked me down a few times, but I didn't feel it because the first time he hit me I was numb.

"After the fight Mike said he loved me and I said, 'Why'd you knock out my ass?' Mike's a great guy. I'm glad Mike beat me that day, or else I'd have nothing to talk about."



Mike Tyson on the fight:

"It was a great opportunity to be in the ring with one of the great fighters of all time. It was a milestone in my career. He didn't have time to prepare. I never fought the great Larry Holmes. I had no delusions. By all means, I didn't fight the Holmes who fought Muhammad Ali.

"I was very objective in the ring, nothing personal, but I'd have hit my mother. If I had mercy on him, he may have knocked my ass out. He didn't have enough time to prepare when he fought me. Don didn't give him the opportunity."



Holmes and Tyson on the highlights of their respective careers:

Holmes: "Kenny Norton, because so many people said I couldn't do it. My legs were too small, and I was just a copy of Muhammad Ali. But I did the work and had the dedication."

Tyson: "Buster Douglas. I needed that fight to make me a better person and fighter and have a broader perspective of myself and boxing."



On Concussions in boxing:

Holmes: "I never thought it would happen to me. My style was to move here and there. I didn't get hit hard too often. Mike knocked me down, I got up.

"I thought the next was a slip, and he knocked me down again. I thought I'd get up and hit him with an uppercut, but my arm got caught in the rope. I got hit hard by Earnie Shavers, too."

Tyson: "I'm sure I had some concussions. When I signed my pro contract at 17, there was an unwritten clause that it was possible that you'd die. We knew and saw it but didn't think it could happen to us."

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/341837-thabiso-mchunu-to-face-julio-cesar-dos-santos-on-june-6

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
30. King is also the man who convinced Ali who already was exhibiting symptoms of Parkisnon's Disease...
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:27 AM
May 2015

King is also the man who convinced Ali who already was exhibiting symptoms of Parkinson's Disease to come out of retirement to fight Holmes...Holmes didn't want the fight because he knew he would be vilified for beating an icon and wouldn't get any credit for beating an old man. But he said "when you waive eight million dollars in front of someone."


JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
32. Yes, exactly what I was trying to say
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:40 AM
May 2015

my post was about Don King & parasites not looking out for their best interests' of their fighters financially & physically except for their own pocketbook. "When we were Kings" was the documentary I was referring too, footage entirely from training leading up to the fight & the friendship between the 2.

Only in America

In 1954 he killed a man who tried to rob one of his gambling houses. The shooting was ruled a justifiable homicide, sparing King a prison sentence. He wasn't so fortunate 13 years later, when he was found guilty of second-degree murder for killing a gambling associate who owed him $600. The charge was later reduced to manslaughter and King served 3 years and 11 months in Marion Correctional Institution in Ohio. He was released in September 1971.

King's career as a promoter was soon born. It started in 1972, when King convinced Ali to fight an exhibition match in Cleveland to raise funds for a local hospital in financial trouble. The match grossed more than $80,000, piquing King's interest in the business of boxing.

<snip>

But loyalty has never been one of King's virtues. At least once he arrived at a fight with one boxer and left with the other. Even Ali wasn't exempt from King's tactics: Ali was reportedly shortchanged $1.2 million by King for his comeback fight against Holmes in 1980. Ali sued, but King paid him $50,000 to drop the lawsuit.

<snip>

But King's biggest victories continued to come in court. In 1995, he beat a nine-count indictment on insurance fraud; Lloyd's of London claimed King had illegally collected $350,000 for a canceled Chavez fight. The trial ended in a hung jury. That same year, Newfield's no-holds barred biography was published. It painted an unflattering picture of the promoter.

<snip>

In June 1999, the FBI searched King's office in Florida as part of an investigation to determine if the IBF fixed fights for kickbacks and sold ratings. "I don't want to have a combat with the FBI unless I'm going to be able to promote them in Madison Square Garden," said King, who emerged unscathed.

Only fitting for a man grandiose in every way, King estimates he's spent upwards of $30 million defending himself in court over the years.

"Don King is a hip exploiter, an intelligent flesh peddler," wrote Newfield. "He knows which fighters to steal, how to exploit anyone's vice, vanity or insecurity and make a profit for himself."

http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/King_Don.html

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
35. "Don King talks black, lives white and thinks green."
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:54 AM
May 2015

-Belinda Ali


He's a clown ...He was the head of Tim Witherspoon's training camp and he served him pork...Witherspoon used to be in Ali's training camp so King told him " I bet they didn't serve pork in Ali's training camp...

I forgot which fight it was but this was in 84 when Ali was already sick...King allowed Ali to spar with Witherspoon... Witherspoon said years later he hit him with a lot of head shots that he never would have hit him with if he knew how sick he was...


As you can see Ali is my hero. My heroes are the martyred Kennedy brothers, Dr. King and Muhammad Ali...They were my heroes in the eighth grade and they still are now, forty or so years later.


JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
48. Mike Tyson & others say very similar things
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:01 PM
May 2015

on Don King I don't think we disagree but also feel very similar on Ali. You may be interested in the film "Muhammad Ali's Greatest Fight". Mainly about Supreme Court Justice John Marshall Harlan and his law clerk who convinces him to change his mind after encouraging him to read material from the Nation of Islam to find his conscientious objector status to be genuine said to be based on Bob Woodward's book "The Brethen" (I'd probably recommend the book over the movie if I had read the book

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
59. Saw the movie, read the book...
Sat May 9, 2015, 01:33 PM
May 2015

I must have seen every movie/documentary about the GOAT and read over a dozen books about him.

Archae

(46,328 posts)
5. Except how much do THEY get?
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:20 PM
May 2015

Or is it the usual, their promoters like Don (Corrupt As Hell) King siphon off 2/3rds to 3/4rs, and the boxers pay the taxes on that money too.

No wonder Howard Cossell called it a racket.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
29. 82 and down to promoting B-list fighters
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:16 AM
May 2015

Don King liable for canceled fight after boxer’s failed drug test

A federal judge has found boxing promoter Don King liable for breach of contract over a highly anticipated championship bout in Moscow that was canceled hours before the opening bell when one of his fighters, former WBA cruiserweight champ Guillermo Jones, had to pull out after failing a drug test.

Manhattan federal Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled Thursday that Jones’ disqualification for the Aug. 25 World Boxing Association cruiserweight championship against current champ Denis Lebedev “plainly put King in breach” — even if the promoter didn’t have anything to do with Jones testing positive for a banned weight-losing substance, furosemide.

Lebedev and Russian boxing promoters Andrey Ryabinskiy and Vladimir Hrunov, who run World of Boxing LLC, had slapped King in May with a $2.4 million lawsuit over Jones’ failed test.

The suit sought compensation for the “sizable sum” the promoters say they laid out for the rematch, including an $800,000 fee for delivering Jones that was allegedly deposited in King’s bank account.

<snip>

King had argued that Jones’ decision to take the drug was outside his control, but Scheindlin said in her written opinion that King could have protected himself from liability by ensuring there were “more protective” terms in the contract with the fighter.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/02/don-king-liable-for-canceled-fight-after-boxers-failed-drug-test/

Also saw he had surgeries a couple times this past year, one after falling on his face last fall & kidney stones removed in April.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
6. They're both adults, but one has to ask ...
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:20 PM
May 2015

At what price physically on their old age are they cashing those checks? I would like to believe that they are both aware of the risks and made informed choices, but I look at football and see kids in the prime of their life quitting to protect themselves.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. And... our priorities are way wrong
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:29 PM
May 2015

I could expand on the NFL and stadiums (and my city) and infrastructure.

But to use a usual phrase, this is why we cannot have nice things.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
22. I have big problems with NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB stadium financing
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:07 AM
May 2015

The problem starts with the NFL having leverage over cities because of a fixed supply (closed entry league) of professional sports teams & a very high demand from cities to host a professional sports franchise. They threaten to relocate or in the case with Goddell employ the Super Bowl extortion (Miami, San Diego, Atlanta, & others will never host a Super Bowl until they build a new stadium) to leverage cities/countries/municipals for Sweet Heart deals. Seattle & the state of Washington after building a new Mariners & Seahawks building were dealing with the Sonics asking for a Sweetheart deal. They relocated to Oklahoma City.

Washington actually changed their state law to require fair financing but having difficulty finding the specifics, do recall a longtime effort to build a new one to attract a team -- found this though

Seattle arena deal approved

The County Council approved it unanimously, while the City Council voted 7-2. Both bodies had previously OK'd different versions of the deal.

"This is a very good financial plan here," said County Councilman Reagan Dunn, a Republican who earlier had concerns about the deal. "It's been well thought-through."

Mayor Mike McGinn called the votes important steps toward bringing professional men's basketball back to Seattle. He and King County Executive Dow Constantine were scheduled to sign the deal Tuesday.

Hedge fund manager Chris Hansen is leading a group that wants to build the $490 million arena near the existing Mariners and Seahawks stadiums with $200 million in public financing. The public investment would be paid back with rent money and admissions taxes from the arena, and if that money falls short, Hansen would be responsible for making up the rest. Other investors include Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer and two members of the Nordstrom department store clan.

<snip>

Under the deal, the arena proposal will undergo an environmental review that could take a year. The review will also look at whether other sites, including Seattle Center, where KeyArena is, should be considered.

But that's not good enough, members of two International Longshore and Warehouse Union locals said Monday. The agreement between Hansen and the city goes too far by presuming the arena will be built in the neighborhood south of downtown, where increased traffic could choke freight shipments at the Port of Seattle, they said.

By essentially picking the site before an environmental review is done, the deal reverses the steps required by the State Environmental Policy Act, the unions said. They threatened to sue to block the deal once it's signed by McGinn and Constantine.

"The cart's been thrown before the horse here," said Max Vekich, a member of ILWU Local 52 and co-chair of Save Our SoDo Jobs. Using a football metaphor, he added: "We want to throw a red flag here and ask for instant review."

The unions pointed to a previous case in which Seattle approved plans for developing mixed-income housing at Fort Lawton, a former military site near Discovery Park, without providing for proper environmental review under state law. Neighbors in the Magnolia neighborhood sued, and an appeals court blocked the project.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8509900/seattle-arena-deal-gets-final-approval

I don't know of the latest with that except to say this has been in the works for a very long time with the major hiccup being state law not giving enough in public financing. From 2012, if nothing changes, than Seattle could have an arena with no NBA/NHL hoping to attract one. Kansas City built a state-of-the-art arena several years ago hoping to either be awarded a NBA or NHL team but currently have neither. The Sprint Center does regularly host the Big 12 Championship and some big Big 12 rivalry college basketball games but it highlights the demand which the pro leagues (especially under economics major Roger Goddell) take advantage of to fatten their own pockets. The budgets bleeding red ink -- they don't care & nothing can be done unless Congress acts since taxpayers cannot be considered consumers due to precedent for anti-trust lawsuits. The European leagues don't have this problem because of promotion -- relegation plus size of the countries as you see teams playing in the same building & logically paying for renovations & repair rather than building a brand new place at the owners expense (with the exception of the stands collapse where government assisted with a subsidy).

Even if the city/county/state does everything right & does what it is right financially for their budget, the team will pack up & move to a city that will give them the sweet heart deal which furthers worsen the problem because what is more effective than a relocation threat is a relocation example.

I could go on (and have) but you may find this study interesting

January 12, 2012
League Structure & Stadium Rent Seeking
the Role of Antitrust Revisited

http://luc.edu/media/lucedu/law/centers/antitrust/pdfs/publications/workingpapers/haddock_jacobi,_sag__stadium_rent.pdf

This is may favorite site for latest news (there is always something new in the stadium extortion business) from the economics perspective (it really highlights the baffling logic of it all)
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2012/11/05/4069/goodell-falcons-need-a-new-stadium-because-moneyyyyyyy/

On edit -- I forgot my point, I view the Mayweather fight payout as something very different as it is revenue generated from PPV fights. With no idea where the bout took place (Cowboys Stadium has had some big fights including a Mayweather & undercard title fight which Rigondeaux won) but chances are it was Vegas & with no idea how it was financed (not for anyone fighter & besides they have casinos which take advantage of the supply & demand of tourists with I imagine favorable tax-breaks). People, personally purchasing the fight plus the Showtime-HBO contracts they have their individual exclusive boxer (for promotional reasons and they wouldn't do it if they didn't profit from the expense). Something completely different, not at-all like taxpayers giving millionaire-billionaire owners sweet heart deals to give mostly millionaires full-time employment (which the sweetheart deals across the countries drives up the salaries).

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
46. I know, we have been writing about it
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:49 AM
May 2015

And the economics of it. I could g into detail here, silly and all, but an excellent book n this is. "Field of Schemes". If you must get the second edition. It's finally gone Kindle I think. One of few books I got in paper form

Blog by same title is from the author. We have written extensively on this, specifically the economic drain to the community. In the case of my city, they leave, will be like Macy's closing one store.

The fans, outside the super fans, due to the shenanigans, many are volunteering to hep them pack.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
50. I've been meaning to get my hands on either of The Field of Schemes
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:23 PM
May 2015

have been on the lookout at my local library, there is another book there that talks roughly of the same thing but very basic nothing I already didn't know -- my original source comes from one of the editions from Michael Leeds Economics of Sports which goes over many things such as the NCAA which makes no sense but it does from their perspective which leads to more research into the monopsonistic rule "an agreement among competitors not to pay more than a fixed price for a key input, such as labor." The stadium financing aspect really fascinated me -- really knocked a lot of myths.

St. Louis Cardinals were one of those teams that relocated for a new stadium (the era of multipurpose stadiums was an awful waste) but the Savings & Loans crisis put a dent into those plans. Hung around Sun Devil Stadium with stadium noise complaints pushed by the local media killing the 50-50 ballot issues in Tempe & Mesa before finding Glendale on the very edge of town (After 100th avenue & the 101 are fields). The proposed site here in Mesa was instead Mesa Riverview and I can't figure what came out worse because it is basically a glorified shopping center with the Wal-Mart, Peter Piper Pizza, Bed Bath & Beyond, & so many others simply relocating from their West Mesa location to the Riverview location leaving behind urban blight but it is very close to residential neighborhoods but they did build a brand new Cubs stadium right after Ricketts purchased the team he threatened to relocate to Florida with fancy stadium plans that voters approved of with the Oakland A's moving into HoHokam Park after they moved out. Good enough for them.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
56. I've been reading about the Chargers for years
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:51 PM
May 2015

The Michael Leeds book from several years ago even mentions them. Something about owner wanting the city to cover sales from empty seats (can't remember the specifics of that) which has become a pretty standard with the sweet heart deals such as the 49ers if it is less than 90% the county covers it. On that stadium it could work out if they constantly sell out and sell those PSLs but there are always costs that come up later. I'm sure FieldofSchemes has something. The Florida Marlins & Washington Nationals will cost their hometowns well over 30 years to pay it off

Marlins President Calls Miamians Stupid, Jose Reyes Greedy

"I don't have to hold back now that the stadium is built," Samson told the Beacon Council, adding "we're not the smartest people in Miami. If you're in this room, you're instantly in the top 1%."

Samson recalled his meetings with officials in San Antonio and Las Vegas in exploratory efforts to move the team, and pretty much admitted that selling tickets is more important than having good fans.

If the Marlins were to move to Las Vegas, Mr. Samson said, he suggested the casinos there buy out game tickets in advance so nobody would be drawn away from the casinos.

"We don't care if nobody comes," Mr. Samson recalled with a smile. "We'll play in front of nobody, and we'll have all the money."
http://deadspin.com/5891292/marlins-president-calls-miamians-stupid-jose-reyes-greedy

I love Field of Schemes because the highlight the absurdity of it all

WI gov Walker: State’s dead broke, giving $150m to Bucks may have to wait a few weeks
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/

I've noticed quite a few articles where they have been very critical on the local Milwaukee press on this issue, journalism for one reason or another fails on this issue.

You may appreciate this one

U-T San Diego sold to LA Times, may actually be allowed to do real reporting on Chargers stadium again

Doug Manchester, the hotel baron who bought the San Diego Union-Tribune in 2011 and turned it into UT San Diego, along the way declaring that newspapers “need to be a cheerleader for what’s right and good for the country, such as promoting the new stadium,” has apparently decided to lead cheers in a different way, as he’s selling the paper to the owners of the L.A. Times for a bargain $85 million. (Manchester paid $110 million for the paper when he bought it.)

Clearly, this could have a huge impact on the Chargers stadium debates, if the U-T (which the Times may allow to have its old, non-stupid name back) now does some actual reporting on stadium plans, as the Times has been doing and doing well, instead of whatever the hell has been going on over at Manchester’s paper. Meanwhile, does this mean Tim Sullivan can have his old job back?

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2015/05/08/9039/u-t-san-diego-sold-to-la-times-may-actually-be-allowed-to-do-real-reporting-on-chargers-stadium-again/

One of my all-time favorites was when Sacramento compared the Maloofs to North Korea except they are less competent.

On Sunday, the leader of Johnson's Think Big Sacramento arena task force, Chris Lehane, told USA Today that "dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans -- except they are less competent." Lehane also told ESPN that the Maloofs were just "looking for ways to blow up the deal," and added that it's the Maloofs who need to go, not the mayor or the Kings: "In Maloof-world, facts are fiction; truths are half-truths; and promises are broken promises. The City of Sacramento deserves better."

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2012/04/4902_sacramento_king_4.html

Thanks for the link. Reading right now

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
57. You welcome
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:55 PM
May 2015

And as to the UT. Any journalism out of them will be a welcomed change. Not just regarding the Chargers.

As to the seats. It was one of the reasons the city almost went broke in the early 2000s. But hey, we are about to try to make the same error.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
58. I was pretty sure it was something like that
Sat May 9, 2015, 01:22 PM
May 2015

remember reading it but wasn't sure exactly what the text said. Wasn't sure if I was confusing it the other way or with the latest deals that puts all the latest city/counties/states on threat if they don't sell-out.

The cities all need to collectively tell professional sports leagues no before you see owners paying out of the pocket (even in the case of Boston area sports teams who did it with no public financing with tax breaks & land deals) but the means the Kansas Cities & Seattles with their arenas saying no also. I live in a very conservative city that gives away so much in corporate subsidies, I don't think they even have those 'future thriving neighborhood signs' they had a few years back which still has empty storefronts.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
60. Yeah the first step will be when municipalities that can support
Sat May 9, 2015, 01:42 PM
May 2015

a franchise say no, Of course then there are the silly ones who will try, and sell city hall. (This happened for an NHL team in AZ, becuase we all know Hockey should be a natural market in a desert state)

So they are so much in the red they are literally selling city hall just to keep a semblance of public services going. Out of hand I cannot remember the city, but when I read it I went... IDIOTS

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
64. Coyote support was fine when they were at America West Arena
Sun May 10, 2015, 02:54 AM
May 2015

The arena wasn't designed for hockey, I've been a big fan myself and support is strong here on the East Valley. The problem is it is next to Cardinals stadium at 99th avenue which is a clear shot across the Phoenix municipality area on the edge of town. Sundays or 1 gameday a week is fine for attendance but for weekly nights for a NHL team it is more difficult on the edge of town, it is way out there but the problem is they already built the arena several years ago & they are giving them a sweetheart deal just finding a new owner with the NHL managing the franchise for a couple of seasons with the deal coming through on the Conference Final run. I love the team but the deals are a very bad idea that they are already paying for the arena I suppose it is either that or an empty building & Westgate.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
15. He lives in Nevada also, so he won't have to pay state taxes.
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:32 PM
May 2015

The Feds will take home 39.6% of that 250,000,000, which will be around 100,000,000.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
21. Supply & demand
Sat May 9, 2015, 04:32 AM
May 2015

The fight was $120 per buy, Floyd "Money" Mayweather is a big time draw. With the exception of how the arena (mostly in Vegas) might be financed none of it taxpayers money.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
24. I don't like the guy, I'm not wild about the sport, but . . .
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:15 AM
May 2015

if suckers are willing to spend that kind of money to watch, he's the show and he ought to get a big chunk of it. It's all pretty disgusting though.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
26. Oh noez!
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:44 AM
May 2015

A sports person making tons of money for doing relatively nothing?

ERMAGARD.

A completely new form of injustice has come upon us.












Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
33. So about 40% of that goes to the US Treasury,
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:47 AM
May 2015

and I assume it mostly comes ultimately from the rich (how many poor people are going to pay $100 for a single pay-per-view show?)

So this is more or less a significant tax haul from rich people, with the side-effect of enriching a couple of boxers. I don't see any cause for outrage.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
34. I really don't have as big of a problem with this like I do with other sports. At least boxers are
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:49 AM
May 2015

really putting their bodies and health on the line by doing a job where they're supposed to try to hurt people and get hurt. They earn their money more than baseball and basketball players. Sure at the end of the day this doesn't really benefit society.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
37. "Earned" ??
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:00 AM
May 2015

I'm sorry, but that's stretching the meaning of that word beyond repair.

If CEO's don't earn that kind of money, how can you say athletes do ?

I guess separating fools from their money is a civic responsibility, but I don't regard it as "earning" money so much as making the point that it can and should be done.

underpants

(182,823 posts)
45. Not arguing but Mayweather staged and financed the whole thing
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:47 AM
May 2015

It was his fight. That number is the total take for his promotion company.

When he was floating the possibility of a rematch he said that the Pacquaio team would have to pay for the second fight.


Mayweather is the highest paid athlete in the world and has been for several years. Mainly because he got into the ownership of his own fights.

Still he is scum.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
61. The Showtime and HBO PPV exclusive contracts
Sat May 9, 2015, 01:48 PM
May 2015

were often points of contentions -- something that had to be worked out for both of them like when Pacquaio fights anybody else HBO PPV carries the replays similar with Showtime and Manny but typically with a fight their is a negotiation of the split the last & only time I'm aware of Mayweather had a smaller share of the split was when he fought De La Hoya which were on De La Hoya's terms from weight to gloves. Normally a promoter/manager negotiates this while Mayweather does it himself & he's an expert at, negotiating the best terms for himself. A lot of the statements to the media or where he indicates where he's at now his establishing the bargaining power. Showmanship & such, generating viewer interest. I think midpoint during all this, Mayweather offered a flat fee while team Pacquaio understood it was a given Mayweather would have the bigger share they weren't going to do a flat payment. I think later they both met at a Miami Heat and made the fight happen later that night at Pacquaio's hotel room. The first time was when Mayweather demanded Olympic Style Drug Testing which led to some very confusing statements from Pacquaio such as he demanded because "he doesn't want this fight to happen" & backing away from it just looks suspicious.

However, he does allude to personal issues with Bob Arum who was or is Pacquaio's promoter. With the Heat game thing it looks as if they took care of it personally without the excuses. The business of boxing interests me, negotiating events is half the battle which leaves showing up to the ring to get paid.



 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
39. Good work if you can get it
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:02 AM
May 2015

Time to take the money and run. Properly invested, his great great grand kids will be well off.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
41. It's like anyone in the entertainment business
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:31 AM
May 2015

It's not what they do that has them making so much money, it's people paying to watch them do it that brings in the cash. Acting has little social value, but people pay to go watch people do it. It's all about the eyeballs.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
49. Theater has sparked insurrection and very often lead to progressive change. Boxing, not so
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:19 PM
May 2015

much. For example, the play 'The Normal Heart' served as both source of news and as propaganda calling for action in the face of the AIDS crisis which was being largely ignored by the press and by the US government. That play, those actors, saved lives very directly and helped inform and create a movement. It was the six o'clock news, the obituaries and a clarion call to the front lines. It did what the rest of society was refusing to do.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
44. And help Manny fund his war against poor women's reproductive choice back home.
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:39 AM
May 2015

They're both horrible people.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
62. Ridiculous, but open, above-board and voluntary.
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:02 PM
May 2015

Nobody had to chip in to that total unless they wanted to watch the fight.

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