Carson Warns 'More Groups' Will Want Marriage Equality If Gays Get It

[luvspeas]

Carson started out saying if you "change the definition of marriage for one group, what do you say to the next group?"

"What is the next group?" Harwood interjected.

"Do you say, 'well we changed it for this group but that's it, we're not changing it for anybody else?" Carson asked. "Does that seem fair?"

"Well, but what other groups are there?" Harwood asked.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-gay-marriage-groups-legal

[Puzzledtraveller]

1. Okay, he's right

All this time I have been waiting for the precedent that will allow me to marry my Yorkie Lulu.

[frylock]

2. Well, but what other groups are there?

errrrr... ummmm.. all of em?

[customerserviceguy]

7. Polygamists come to mind

Yes, we associate it with asshole offshoots of the old Mormon church who couldn't accept what seemed like capitulation to the US government in the 1890's, and who treat their women like breeding machines, but what IF three or more fully capable consenting adults wished to have the societal and governmental benefits of marriage?

At least they could make the case that it was 'traditional', in that plural marriage has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

The next group is family members who are economically dependent on each other. Say that a mother and daughter have lived together for decades, have strong emotional ties, and have interlinked their finances. When the mother dies, there will be inheritance law consequences (possibly including taxes) that a married couple would not have to deal with. Why shouldn't that family unit be given the preferential legal standing that a husband and wife have in all fifty states?

It's not hard to imagine the possibilities, when you reflect on the financial and societal benefits that marriage has automatically conferred upon the members of a marriage that are afforded to no one else. Those were the things that people fighting for equal marriage were looking to achieve for committed gay and lesbian couples.

[morningfog]

8. Are those slippery slope arguments reasons to deny

same-sex marriage equality?

[customerserviceguy]

9. Not at all

I'm presenting them as examples of reasons NOT to use when defending equal marriage.

To steal a quote from a fundie, if we're supposed to treat Adam and Steve the same as Adam and Eve, then whose business is it of ours if Adam, Eve and Steve want to live together?

It's only a slippery slope if you don't ever want to go where that incline takes you to. And if you don't, then explain why, just like the homophobes have tried unsuccessfully to do when it comes to same-gender marriage equality. I'm in favor of not treating any sort of married people specially, or at least allowing two or more consenting adults to get that treatment if they so desire.

[morningfog]

10. So your position is to deny any all married couples societal benefits unless and until

any combination of consenting adults is recognized?

Have you always held that position or was it only when members of the same sex started marrying?

[customerserviceguy]

32. No, my position

is to grant marriage rights and priveleges to groups of two or more consenting adults who have an economic need for the benefits of marriage, when the parties thereto have a committed relationship to benefit from such recognition. I surely do not take the position that none should have this granted until all have it granted, I realize that such recognition will take place gradually. Opposite sex couples came first, same sex couples come second, and all the rest in due time.

Again, enunciate a reason based on something other than the number two, or biological relation as to whether the economic benefits society confers with "marriage" should not be given to people who share an economic well-being that would be aided by such benefits.

[951-Riverside]

3. If Mary-Kate and Ashley or Tia and Tamera want to get married to each other, let them.

How is it any of our business if two consenting adults in love want to marry?

Face it, people engage in all sorts of activities with each other behind closed doors, married or not.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. There's this tree in my yard I've had my eye on...

Maybe our time has come.




Or maybe Ben Carson is just nuts.

[Terra Alta]

5. Marriage equality has been the law of the land in MA for 11 years now

Almost as long in a few other states. It still hasn't been changed for "Other groups" in those states. Whatever those other groups are. More and more people across the nation are becoming accepting of marriage equality and the more people accept it, the more unhinged the homophobes become. Can't wait to see their reaction when SCOTUS makes marriage equality the law of the land nationwide.

[luvspeas]

6. My other group

Personally I want to be drunk when I marry my grandmother.

[shenmue]

11. Congratulations!

[951-Riverside]

12. Hey, why not

As long as both of you are consenting adults doing so is would not hurt a soul.

People do all sorts of stuff behind closed doors anyway. Its just not talked about.

[beam me up scottie]

13. He compared same sex marriage to pedophilia and bestiality.

Everyone knows where he's going with this, he's just being coy because it bit him in the ass so hard last time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/08/ben-carson-cpac-speech_n_4899410.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/ben-carson-column_n_3576153.html

[Behind the Aegis]

14. It is the default position of people like him.

It ignores the facts that children and animals cannot consent to legal contracts. People love to make fun of this type of bigotry, and while there is a humorous nature to it, sadly, it is very serious, especially when it is a respected person with high educational credentials.

[beam me up scottie]

16. He's using his status to promote hatred of lgbt people.

And it's acceptable because he's hiding behind his religion.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. Which seems to be protected, but not disputed, unlike some recent events.

It can only be combatted by intelligent speech and ideas. But, it is hard for most of us, people like you and me, to see his comments as nothing but hate speech, but still free speech.

[beam me up scottie]

20. Where is all the outrage over anti-lgbt hate speech on DU?

What makes Geller so much worse than Westboro Baptists, or the Vatican or any other right wing christian bigots?



I have yet to see someone call for outlawing hate speech from the pulpit.

Oh, that's right, religion is special...

[Behind the Aegis]

22. Maybe he and those like him are afraid this will happen:

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Mayor Adam West of "Family Guy" marries his right hand! It could happen!



Speaking out against anti-GLBT speech has become passé.

[beam me up scottie]

23. ROFLMAO!

What's next, marrying your washcloth?

Won't someone think of the children!

[leftofcool]

30. I married my dish towel once but it didn't work out.

The damn thing wanted to dry the dishes and I just put them away wet. We could never agree.

[beam me up scottie]

31. I feel you.

Always complaining about how unappreciated they are.

Gets old.

[beam me up scottie]

21. edit dupe

[Cha]

19. Yeah, he's such a rabid, frothing homophobe.. hate has rendered him stupid enough to push

that shite.

[beam me up scottie]

24. He's a surgeon who doesn't believe in evolution.

I think he reached stupid a loooooooooooooooooong time ago.

[Cha]

25. Gawd.. talk about a disconnect from reality. I do wonder though if he really thinks that way

or is pandering.. like as in the "O Amin is like Nazi Germany"?

Like his effing admin wouldn't really be a fascist regime..

[beam me up scottie]

26. I now live in the south where people like me are called "evolutionists".

Like that's a thing.

The first time someone asked me if I "believed" in evolution was at work during lunch.

I had been there a month.

I was like wtf...?

Who doesn't?

Turns out I was part of a very small minority.

[Cha]

28. Scary shite.. because it seems if one is a "creationist" then they have to preach hate, too. It

goes with the territory.

[beam me up scottie]

29. They begin the brainwashing at a very young age.

And it continues all through their lives.

[hifiguy]

15. Considering the number of

mule-fuckers and fundy kiddie-porn enthusiasts in the Repuke party he just might be right.

[Cha]

18. Yeah, and someone on DU called this guy loveable or how could she not love him or some such

muck.

I'll tell ya how.. this stupid shite right here.

"More groups".. he "guarantees". That's it, you've heard it from the genius homophobic teabagger. Yeah, I know they all are.

[Skittles]

27. he is absolutely DISGUSTING