Mad Libs with Westboro Baptist Chruch!!!! Let's everybody play!

[Bluenorthwest]

Here's how the game works: Below I have posted three juicy examples of Westboro Baptist 'religious speech' which some DUers claim is 'not provocative nor inciting'. I invite readers to read these quotes then reread them, replacing the words 'sodomites' and 'Jews' and 'fags' with the name of a minority group that you actually respect....see how it sounds to you.

"Filthy sodomites crave legitimacy as dogs eating their own vomit & sows wallowing in their own feces crave unconditional love."
— Westboro Baptist Church news release, Jan. 15, 1998

"We told you, right after it happened five years ago, that the deadly events of 9/11 were direct outpourings of divine retribution, the immediate visitation of God’s wrath and vengeance and punishment for America’s horrendous sodomite sins, that worse and more of it was on the way. We further told you that any politician, any political official, any preacher telling you differently as to the cause and interpretation of 9/11 is a dastardly lying false prophet, cowardly and mean, and headed for hell. And taking you with him! God is no longer with America, but is now America’s enemy. God himself is now America’s terrorist."
— Fred Phelps, “9/11: God’s Wrath Revealed,” Sept. 8, 2006.

"JEWS KILLED JESUS! Yes, the Jews killed the Lord Jesus…Now they’re carrying water for the fags; that’s what they do best: sin in God’s face every day, with unprecedented and disproportionate amounts of sodomy, fornication, adultery, abortion and idolatry! God hates these dark-hearted rebellious disobedient Jews."
— Westboro Baptist Church news release, April 23, 2009


We lived through this and much worse, brought again and again to our funerals and sanctuaries. This is what has already been done, already demanded of LGBT people and Jewish people for years. To pretend otherwise is a lie.

Next Mad Libs will be a mash up! Rick Warren and Pope Francis, toe to toe with rants about pedophile gays disfiguring God. Sound good?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

1. Westboro's speech is definitely provocative and filthy.

But they have the right to say what they want to say, just as I have the right to call them subhuman dogshit.

The First Amendment: if you're in for a penny, you're in for a pound.

[Bluenorthwest]

3. Sort of the point. They did this thousands of times, and we responded with words and humor

Not guns and violence. The point is that we are already in it for a pound, this is not new to Geller it is common behavior we've all endured for generations.

[6000eliot]

9. Christians are so much better than those dirty Muslims,

who, we know would ALL slaughter anyone who mocks them, all 1.6 billion of them. We know this because two out of 1.6 billion did it.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. The comparison of bigoted faiths is of concern only to those who favor one over the other.

In my scenario, it is LGBT culture that is better than religious culture because when attacked by religious hate preachers we respond not with violence but with our well known sense of humor and flair for cultural commentary. We mock them, look good doing it, then win. Other insulted minority groups should consider doing the same, religious or otherwise.

[6000eliot]

15. I'm a gay atheist,

and I think that respecting others who differ in beliefs from mine is a matter of common decency. But that's just me.

[Behind the Aegis]

19. That has been long been demonstrated here, and in this thread.

We are supposed to "take one for the team" and "wait for our pink ponies." Apparently, provoking us 'ain't nothing but a thang.' It's not even considered as disrespectful as some other acts.

[beam me up scottie]

22. You must respect people who believe AIDS is a gift from god.

How many times do I have to tell you this?

[Behind the Aegis]

25. I know! I know! I just ain't a quick learner.

Of course, I get mighty confused because then bigots, we're allowed to criticize Christians, most of the time, but others...oh noes, we better not say a damn thing about their hate of gays because...well, you know.

[beam me up scottie]

27. Because persecuted believers can't be guilty of persecuting lgbt folks.

Your group's just not in this year, maybe 2016 will be better?

Oops, nope, it's an election year, you'll be nothing but traction for the bus wheels again.

Kind of like kitty litter in the snow.

[closeupready]

16. Witty, and thank you for it.

[Yorktown]

20. It's not as if thousands of muslim precahed 'death to blaspemers', right?

Pew Research findings: half muslims worldwide agree blasphemy is punishabe by death.

But hey, it's just two lone shooters, right?

[6000eliot]

21. Christians would NEVER say such things, of course. Especially about gay and lesbian people.

[Yorktown]

23. Not HALF of worldwide Christians approve of killing gays and blasphemers

This having been said, Christianity makes lots of dumb statements.

Especially the creationist strain which is most virulent in the US.

[6000eliot]

24. How many is enough, because I think there are quite a few Christians who feel this way?

How many does it take before we can call them "savages" and bomb them into oblivion? BIGOTRY IS BOGOTRY, and it always has the same end. Have I made my point yet?

[Yorktown]

34. Who is calling for bombs? Cartoons are enough.

Visibly.

[6000eliot]

37. Tells me everything I need to know.

Goodbye!

[Protalker]

2. Practice Practice Practice

As Pam Geller reminds us, if the savages don't come the first time, have Free Speech events until they do.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Phelps and Westboro did literally thousand of gay and Jew baiting events without any violent

response. They did so for years and in all 50 States. So I don't think you have any point at all.

[PeaceNikki]

5. There's a disturbing message being sent to LGBT and women. If you want to shut them up, you have to

resort to violent attacks against these assholes.

Also, hate speech wrapped in dogma is apparently a-ok.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. That is so correct. It's amazing to me that the same people who defend hate speech against LGBT

at the hands of religious clergy have the blind arrogance to claim to oppose denigrating speech toward minorities.
They sure don't like being asked about Westboro. A real conversation stopper.

[PeaceNikki]

7. Because "deeply held religious beliefs" trump all else.

No matter how barbaric, ridiculous and hateful they are.

I stand with you, BNW, as an ally, a non-violent mocker and one who will always call bullshit when I see it.

[Bluenorthwest]

11. Well Nikki, the thing about calling out bullshit is it is exhausting because there is so very much

of it. This is why well spoken and brave speakers such as yourself are so cherished. You do call 'em as you see 'em and that's the best thing there is.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. It is being sent to Jews too, but we know opinions would do an about change if that happened.

Same would happen to gays and women if we decided to "act up." Apparently, we need to stop being so sensitive, but others, not so much.

[Violet_Crumble]

26. The Jewish Defence League already got the message long ago...

The Jewish Defense League (JDL) is a Jewish far-right religious-political organization whose stated goal is to "protect Jews from antisemitism by whatever means necessary".[1] While the group asserts that it "unequivocally condemns terrorism" and states that it has a "strict no-tolerance policy against terrorism and other felonious acts",[2] it was classified as "a right-wing terrorist group" by the FBI in 2001 and is considered a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.[3][4] According to the FBI, the JDL has been involved in plotting and executing acts of terrorism within the United States.[3]

Founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York City in 1968, the JDL's self-described purpose was to protect Jews from local manifestations of antisemitism.[1][5] Its criticism of the Soviet Union increased support for the group, transforming it from a "vigilante club" into an organization with a stated membership numbering over 15,000 at one point.[6] The group took to bombing Arab and Soviet properties in the United States,[7] and targeting various alleged "enemies of the Jewish people", ranging from Arab-American political activists to neo-Nazis, for assassination.[8] A number of JDL members have been linked to violent, and sometimes deadly, attacks in the United States and in other countries, including the murder of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee regional director Alex Odeh in 1985, the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in 1994, and a plot to assassinate Congressman Darrell Issa in 2001.[9] The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism's database of identified terrorist organizations, which is compiled by official contractors and consultants to the United States government and is supported by the Department of Homeland Security, identifies the JDL as a "former terrorist organization".[10] The JDL's website states that it rejects terrorism.[11]

According to the Anti-Defamation League, the JDL consists only of "thugs and hooligans".[12] The group's founder, Meir Kahane, "preached a radical form of Jewish nationalism which reflected racism, violence and political extremism,"[1] attitudes that were replicated by Irv Rubin, the successor to Kahane.[13] In 2002, the Southern Poverty Law Center added the Jewish Defense League to its list of watched hate groups for the JDL's "long history of bombing, assaulting and threatening its perceived enemies" such as "the Soviet Union, neo-Nazi activists, Palestinian leaders, prominent black Americans and even Jewish moderates" as well as other Jewish radicals, and stated that the JDL "claims to have 13,000 members, but apparently has a few dozen at best."[4]

In 1994, the JDL's sister movements Kach and Kahane Chai were both outlawed in Israel as terrorist organizations posing a threat to state security; they are also banned in the United States and the European Union.[14] "JDL Canada" remains legal,[15] despite sharing the ideology, goals and identical logo of the banned organization.[16] However, the French branch of the JDL, the Ligue de Défense Juive (LDJ), is not illegal in France.[17] Several JDL members and leaders died violent deaths, including Kahane himself.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League

[Behind the Aegis]

28. And?

If the JDL had done what was done at the Gellar event, not one person would claimed they were "provoked."

[Violet_Crumble]

29. You claimed the message was being sent. I pointed out it was already sent long ago...

Uh, the JDL was responsible for bombings and other attacks. How are they different from those ones who tried to shoot up Gellers thing?

[Behind the Aegis]

30. I don't understand what type of point you think you are making.

Farrakhan and his ilk, they afraid of the JDL? Is anyone even remotely concerned about offending the beliefs of Jews? It vertainly isn't obvious here.

[Violet_Crumble]

31. The point I'm making is that violent reactions aren't anything new...

Nor strictly confined to Muslim extremists...

[Behind the Aegis]

32. I don't think anyone, myself included, made any such observation.

[Violet_Crumble]

36. Okay, sorry for reading you wrong there...

While the Pamela Geller thing didn't really make much of an appearance in the news over here, from what I've read at DU I've worked out that the two who wanted to go on a rampage in the US are pretty closely related to the ones over here that the cops have been shutting down before they get started. Two very recent ones are the 17yr old in Melbourne who was making bombs at home and the group who were getting all ready to attack and behead cops at an ANZAC day service (for those who don't know, it's not a religious service, it was the 100 year anniversary of the landing in Gallipoli and it's a pretty sacred day here). They're all lone wolves and more than likely reacting to the siren call of ISIS to try to fuck shit up by killing innocent people.

On a side-note, Westboro Baptist Church hates me as well, though they hate LGBTs so much they feature heavily in the hate of us. I snickered till I got to the bit about people burning alive and when I realised they were talking about this, I kind of felt a bit sick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_bushfires

God hates Australia, land of the sodomite damned! The fag-infested land of Australia is burning. The fire of God's wrath is sending hundreds of those filthy Australian beasts straight to hell! We at Westboro Baptist Church are rejoicing, and we are praying that the dear Lord would burn many more Australians alive!

Don't you stupid Aussies get it? Australia is doomed! Nothing, and nobody, can help you. You have sinned willfully after you have received knowledge of the truth.

[beam me up scottie]

33. Behind the Aegis didn't say anything about violent reactions.

From muslims or anyone else.

[Violet_Crumble]

35. The post he responded to was talking about violent reactions n/t

[Protalker]

8. Says you

The ACLU which I was a donor to took up their cause in the SCOTUS which intellectually made sense as they were oppressed minority was fine, but no longer on my dime.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. I have no idea what this comment means. Everything I said is a matter of fact. They did this

countless times, they were never met with violence but with more speech. LGBT people did not seek to censor Westboro, we simply made them laughing stocks.
That's the point. Geller is not a new monster. Others facing the same monster made fun of it and frankly had a good time doing so. Those who use violence are responsible for that violence and they are also idiots, because you can't use violence to win in such battles, you have to use your wits.

[awoke_in_2003]

13. I cannot believe how many people

use "jews killed Jesus" BS. Um, according to the prophecy, if you are to be forgiven he was supposed to die. So, if the jews killed Jesus, they were doing you a favor.

[Behind the Aegis]

18. It is still quite popular and is making inroads in other groups.

I have seen it used by people claiming to be atheists. Supposedly, it demonstrates the Jews need to control, or some such bullshit.

[beam me up scottie]

14. Here are a few that made me go wut?

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"They died in shame and disgrace, citizens of a cursed nation of...unholy perverts who have departed from the living God to worship on 'Brokeback Mountain'."

"When God wants your attention, He knows how to get it. @WBCSays warned you that if you refuse to repent of your many whoredoms Dutch, Malaysians, Aussies, Indonesians, Germans, et al. YOU WILL PERISH!"

“We will be there to tell you to Thank God for the death of this filthy, adulterous, idolatrous, gender-confused, nationality-confused, unthankful brute beast.”



I think the absolute worse thing they do is have little kids carry their signs.

Kids aren't born bigots, that kind of hatred has to be taught.

[JI7]

38. and this is worse than drawings or even comments about a religious figure

as this is targeted at specific people.

[beam me up scottie]

39. Exactly.

People choose to believe their deity is being dissed while sexual orientation is not a choice.

Lgbt people are considered abominations from the moment they're born.