Here's a question regarding the TPP and who is allowed access to it.

[bluesbassman]

Forgive me if this has been asked and discussed before, but if it has I missed it.

So it's pretty common knowledge that our Congressional representatives are allowed to view the draft, but are not allowed to take make notes on it's contents or to reveal any content that they have read.

Are the corporate executives and staff envolved in the negotiations under the same restrictions? It would seem to me that the release of any part of the draft by these non-elected individuals would be frowned upon at the very least, but as THEY are part of the negotiating process it would make sense that they have at least the data that corresponds to their area of interest at their disposal for review.

This of course leads to another question. We elected 535 people to Congress to act in our behalf as part of the representive system of governance we employ. The TPP is an agreement of international scope that will surely affect every American citizen at some level, yet the vast majority of people working on this agreement are not beholden to constituents, but rather to corporations.

Maybe after it passes and it's details are released we'll all see that it will provide prosperity and ecological good stewardship to all of the countries involved, but based on the track records of Big Corporations and Big Banks, and the secrecy involved in the drafting of this agreement, I'm not holding out much hope.

[Hoyt]

1. The vast majority of folks working on it are government officials, and you will see the entire

agreement at least 90 days before Congress votes, assuming it I'd ever finished. Don't trust what you hear from Warren, Sanders, and groups interested in membership and readership.

No Congressperson will he sanctioned for telling what they saw, assuming any of them are really interested in the truth.

[bluesbassman]

2. You have stats on that Hoyt?

What makes you say the vast majority are government officials? Does that estimate include all of the participating countries or just the US involvement?

[Hoyt]

3. Because the negotiaters work for the USTR, a government agency. You too would know

that if you didn't listen to those spreading bull for their own political purposes.

And don't waste our time with the list of 605 corporations that supposedly went to an advisory meeting. That list was cherry picked from a larger list that included unions, universities, Brookings, the Humane Society, mayors, governors, etc. Just more bunk for the gullible.

[bluesbassman]

4. So you're saying that the majority of US involvement in the negotiations are USTR employees.

And that corporate interests are not sitting next to them or at least a phone call away?

I think I'll stick with the people who have the country's best interest at heart and not Corporations and Big Banks. You can call me gullible all you want if it makes you feel better about carrying water for those that seek profit at the expense of your fellow citizens.

[Hoyt]

5. Yes, I'm saying just that. I don't have to lie to attract votes, membership, readership, etc., from

the gullible.

[bluesbassman]

7. Well you're nothing if not consistant.

GE makes a great clothes dryer by the way, may come in handy for your water soaked clothes.

[Elwood P Dowd]

8. Bad idea. He has already torn up one GE dryer with all his wet Nike shoes.

He needs a heavy duty Mexican made Maytag dryer.

[Hoyt]

9. Obviously, you don't like foreigners and/or their products. That's very sad.

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. Obviously, you care more about foreigners than American workers. That's even more sad.

Your embrace of corporate fascism by using "the poor foreigners" excuse is getting old here.

[Hoyt]

12. And your American greed is old too. American workers will be fine.

[MFrohike]

10. Can you prove that?

Can you provide some kind of evidence, aside from bald speculation, that the vast majority of the people working on this treaty are government officials?

[Hoyt]

13. The process is quite open. Besides, people who believe they are victims of Obama's life long dream

of selling them into slavery, Sharia law, etc., aren't going to believe the truth.

[MFrohike]

15. I see

In the future, it's spelled N-O.

By the way, given the "openness" of the project, I'm surprised you're completely unaware of the number of private actors who are actively involved in the drafting and negotiating.

[msongs]

6. I am reading my copy as we speak. oh wait, I am not allowed to read Obama's corporate sellout. nt

[Hoyt]

14. When finished you can read it, but you know you won't.