As someone who likes both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, Hillary is very popular in the party

[CreekDog]

She is popular amongst the rank and file of our party.

If you want Bernie to be successful, I recommend:

1) being as classy and respectful as he is
2) not openly mocking and disrespecting Hillary's overwhelming level of support from most groups in the party

The support for Hillary is so strong that it literally can ignore what you think and say.

Don't give them a reason to.

[Dawgs]

1. I will do that with friends and family. Not on DU where Bernie is more popular.

Sorry.

[NYC_SKP]

4. Hell, I don't know a single soul who likes her or wants to see her win the primary.

I'm talking about the hardware store, the AA barber shop, friends and family.

Nobody likes her and increasingly, with Bernie on the horizon, coming out against her and what she represents.

[Dawgs]

7. I agree. My wife and one friend like Hillary.

Everyone else I know likes, or is very interested, in Bernie.

[pnwmom]

61. You agree about not knowing a single supporter and then say your wife is a supporter.

I hope this doesn't say something about you and your wife that her opinion seems to mean so little.

[Dawgs]

90. I said they liked her. I didn't say they supported her.

Do you not know the difference between like and support?

[pnwmom]

96. First you agreed with someone who said s/he "didn't know a single soul who liked her"

then you said your wife liked her.

There's a disconnect there.

[BreakfastClub]

99. I couldn't help laughing at this exchange. Some people

seem so intent on bashing Hillary Clinton that they will contradict themselves openly and loudly! LOL

[Dawgs]

106. Again. I was agreeing with the part about supporting, not liking.

My wife likes Hillary. She does not support her. She supports Bernie.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

11. Iowa Democrats: Flawed Hillary Clinton Our Only Hope

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-20/iowa-democrats-flawed-clinton-our-only-hope

Iowa Democrats are rallying around Hillary Clinton with pragmatic enthusiasm, acknowledging distaste and concern over some of her tactics and ethics while embracing her strengths, experience, and policies heading into the 2016 presidential election.

A focus group of 10 Democrats—five women and five men—assembled this week in Des Moines by Bloomberg Politics and Washington-based Purple Strategies was mostly willing to look past Clinton’s paid speeches, her Wall Street ties, the controversy over her use of private e-mail while secretary of state, and her refusal so far to weigh in as a candidate on the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement that has turned many Democrats against President Barack Obama.

Despite her perceived flaws, the group's participants indicated that they believed Clinton represents the Democrats' only hope of holding on to the White House.

Walker Leads Tightly Clustered GOP Field, Clinton Up Big Nationally

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_51315.pdf

On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton leads with 63% to 13% for Bernie Sanders, 6% for Jim Webb, 5% for Lincoln Chafee, and 2% for Martin O'Malley. Clinton's over 60% with liberals, moderates, women, whites, African Americans, and seniors and is at least over 50% with men, Hispanics, and young voters.

“Republicans are bouncing up and down much as they did in 2012,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “Meanwhile Hillary Clinton maintains her dominant hold on the Democratic lead.”

Public Policy Polling® interviewed 685 Republican primary voters and 600 Democratic primary voters nationally from May 7th to 10th. The margins of error for the surveys are +/-3.7% and +/- 4.0% respectively. 80% of interviews for the poll were conducted over the phone with 20% interviewed over the internet to reach respondents who don’t have landline telephones.

[NYC_SKP]

15. Tragic.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

21. I think "Tragic" is overstating it a bit

I like Bernie. However, 2016 is not likely to be 2008. Bernie Sanders is an old white man, not a particularly inspiring or charismatic speaker, and a self-proclaimed socialist. That's not a formula that plays well with the vast middle -- the group one tries to win over in a Presidential Election.

Whatever reason you may have for supporting Bernie, my perception is that most people support Bernie because they are Democrats who don't support Hillary, whereas my perception is that Hillary supporters fall into a number of groups that include (but are not limited to): those who like her positions (duh!); those who feel that she is tough and pragmatic; those who want a woman President and feel that she has a high probability of becoming just that; and those who have fond memories of the Bill Clinton Presidency, and who see Hillary as an extension of those times -- including those who think Bill will have a substantial behind-the-scenes role in the Executive Branch.

Whoever emerges from the Democratic convention will have a tough sell. The American electorate post FDR/Truman has liked to change parties in the White House roughly every 8 years (Ike; JFK/LBJ; Nixon/Ford; Carter; Reagan/Bush1; Clinton; Bush 2; Obama). Even if we win, there's a pretty good shot that we're looking at a one-termer.

[NYC_SKP]

24. Voting out of fear of losing, that's very sad, I think.

In the primary, especially, I hold out for the most ideal candidate.

But even in the general, I think sanders or Warren, were she to run, would have a better chance of winning.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

26. I think if Warren were to announce, most of the Sanders support would flip to her

...and she'd put a bigger dent in Hillary's numbers. That said, I don't see her being electable on a national level. She has a kind of schoolmarm manner that some find offputting; she has zero relevant foreign policy experience; she'll have a difficult sell convincing people that she's commander-in-chief material; and she'll continue to be questioned about the Indian heritage thing and why she chose to be a Republican during the 80s and 90s.

In the primary, I generally end up in a state that votes after everything has been decided. I'd like to see the system changed so that all of the primaries occur at the same time in all of the states in multiple tiers, so I'm not stuck with the choice of voters in New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina. That said, we differ stylistically: I generally vote for the candidate that I see as having the best chance of beating the Republican front runner.

[NYC_SKP]

32. I would probably flip, and my guess is that Barnie wouldn't fight her.

He might stay in the battle, or opt out and endorse her, but I think Warren's running would knock the piss out of Hillary's claim to first female president fame.

I mean we could have our female AND a progressive.

I would simply die of happiness.

[peacebird]

77. I don't see Hillary being electable on the national level. The R's despise all things Clinton

So they will turn out in droves to vote for someone else. The Right wing noise machine will gin up so many controversies about her (real or not) that many Americans will tire of the nonstop drama and want her to just go away.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

111. Big business/Wall Street wants someone who will keep the ship in the center of the channel

They don't want protracted wars, or big shifts in economic policy that will rock the markets. They won't want Sanders or Warren, but they won't want Ted Cruz or Rand Paul either. Mideast terror will be seen as a major threat, but so will China's emerging Monroe Doctrine challenges in South America. So I see them backing Hillary for her experience as SecStae and Senator, and , frankly, for the unique asset of her husband (nobody wants Jeb bringing his bro in for any reason).

The Rs will turn out and vote R. It is the vast independent center everyone tries to win, and I see Hillary appealing to that group, as well as most rank-and-file Democrats. The real question, IMO, is whether activist Democrats if, faced with nominee Clinton, would hold their noses and vote for her; not show up; or vote third party? In several close swing states, that could be an issue.

[pnwmom]

63. It's realistic for anyone who lived through the idealism of a George McGovern 49 state loss. n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

83. McGovern lost because he was running against a dirty trickster of an incumbent

who went so far as to have his "plumbers" break into the national headquarters of the Democratic Party just 5 months before the election.

Nixon also pulled an "October surprise" by announcing just a couple of weeks before the 1972 election that American involvement in the Vietnam War would soon end, which gained him a ton of votes from newly-minted 18-to-20-year-old voters, and the parents of draft-age men.

And McGovern shot himself in the foot with the whole Eagleton fiasco.

There is not going to be a repeat of that.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

113. I suspect McGovern would have lost without the dirty tricks

The economy was humming in '72; Nixon kinda-sorta made good on his promise to end the war; and McGovern ran an ineffective campaign and never recovered from the Eagleton fiasco, as you say. There is not going to be a repeat of that, but this era of politics has its own challenges and brushfires.

The only way someone like Sanders gets elected is if you have a circumstance like '32, '76, or '08: incumbent Republicans have botched the job badly, and the electorate says they want change. That's not what we'll have in '08. This is more like '88, '00, or '48, where the electorate is being asked whether, after two terms of a party occupying the White House, if they want to continue with that party.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

114. Given the results of the 68 election the 72 results should have been no shocker

The 15% or so Wallace got in 68 came right out of Nixon's hide.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

120. Yes, and '68 was also the beginning of the end of the Democratic party in the Deep South

In 12 years (i.e. by 1980), pretty much everything from Texas to Georgia south of the M/D line, except Florida, would go solid republican.

It was counterbalanced by the Coastal West going Blue in the 90s.

[JEB]

33. Maybe it is just me, but I find Bernie

extremely inspiring.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

45. I'm not going to go as far as to say it's just you

..but, to make a church analogy, Bernie is the preacher and you'd likely be a choir member.

I remember hearing Bernie many, many times on Air America, and while he's frequently interesting and thought provoking, nobody would mistake him for having the speaking ability of a Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, or (giving the Devil his due) Ronald Reagan.

[JEB]

73. Reagan I found extremely irritating and Bill

was a little too cute for my taste.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

110. Again, I won't say it's just you; however

Reagan and Clinton continue to be very popular with a solid majority of the public in their post-Presidencies. Reagan was, if nothing else, a great cheerleader for the good ol' USA. Bill Clinton has a common touch and an ability to simplify issues that few (including Barack Obama) possess.

[TheKentuckian]

109. Hillary is an old white woman who isn't particularly charismatic, a belligerent warmonger, and a

friend and ally to people fucking us over and milking the people like a cow.

[pnwmom]

62. Every human being including Bernie Sanders has flaws.

He isn't well known in most of the country and in much of the country his NY style campaigning will not be well-received. And if he doesn't learn to control his temper with the media, he could unnecessarily cause himself problems.

He's a great guy, but he has his own set of flaws.

[brooklynite]

35. An apocryphal quote by Pauline Kael.....

"How could Nixon have won? Nobody I know voted for him"

[madokie]

66. I know a bunch that won't vote for her on a bet

who are good democratic voters too. Like I've been saying Bernie has just started. Hillary has been doing this for years now. She was throwing it out there that she wanted to be the first woman President way back when

[leftynyc]

75. Well, EVERY Democrat I know

here in NY not only likes Hillary but is looking forward to working for her campaign. They like Bernie in the Senate and think he's an important voice but know he'd get clobbered in a general election.

[bravenak]

2. And if they (Hillary supporters) would like to bring in Bernie voters after the Primary...

I'd suggest they knock off the persnikkety nonsense and give reasons to support her. She had alot of support last time. And lost. Her supporters completly turned me off last go round (as did she and Bill).
My advice would be 'ignore the left at your peril Hillary, without the left, you will lose'. The far left usually votes Dem no matter what, but that may change.

[CreekDog]

13. If you're threatening to sit out unless your candidate wins the primary

I really can't help you out there.

I'm sorry to say because we have agreed on so much here.

That's not a position, that's a threat.

[bravenak]

14. Threat?

It's stating obvious fact. If she wants Bernies voters, she'll have to earn the votes somehow.
She is not a great campaigner and her supporters are being very smug and nearly as nasty as last time. My state has only 1 electoral college vote. Even if I was making a threat, and I wasn't, it would be an empty one.

[CreekDog]

16. 64 percent are smug?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

or are you referring to people who are pointing out that she is winning?

it's not an insult, it's a fact. are they not supposed to say that?

[bravenak]

19. The people who call people bots and get all nasty when issues are brought up about HRC.

Who use the supreme court as a cudgel. Who pretend that only HRC cares about social justice. I for one, do not trust HRC on social justice for minorities. She supported welfare reform. And mass incarcerations. When brought up and questioned, her supporters get angry rather than contemplative. Any issue with her candidacy is either ignored, minimized or shouted down as unimportant or as using Bill's record (which she uses to her advantage) against her. I hate duplicity. It makes me shut down and no longer show interest. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[NYC_SKP]

22. You're not the only one, bravenak!

Not by a long shot.

[JEB]

34. Agree whole heartedly.

[TBF]

44. +1 nt

[marym625]

74. +1000

Thanks for this

[daleanime]

79. Nope....

definitely not the only one.

[MissDeeds]

86. Well said

[Buns_of_Fire]

95. It comes off as arrogant, and that's a real turn-off.

It's like seeing any thread that even remotely dealt with Hillary containing alternating posts of "64 percent! 64 percent! 64 percent!" and ten pages of blue links. It always came off like "See? This is what the cool kids think and if you don't agree, you're obviously inferior in some way and your feet probably smell, too!" Came damn close to turning me against Hillary altogether, and it wasn't even her fault.

The Scott Farkuses of all camps might want to keep in mind that there's a fraction of a second before the finger hits the "vote" button and the 'nyah, nyah, nyah's of the last many months might still be remembered at a most inopportune time.

[bravenak]

97. I agree.

I have left a few blank spots on my ballot because of the attitudes I encounter and the fact that I was just not into the candidate. And you're right, it isn't even her attitude that bothers me, but her supporters.

[hfojvt]

115. that tends to go both ways

as there is a fair amount of nastiness on the internet.

Kinda funny, for two years I was an Obama defender here on DU, and it seemed like the Obama critics were nasty and always calling names. Then I felt like Obama betrayed us with the extension of the Bush tax cuts without even a fight and became more of an Obama critic. Then I began to notice a fair amount of nastiness in the Obama supporters.

Trouble is that neither Hillary or Obama have any control over their supporters any more than Hillary supporter A has any control over Hillary supporter B. We could all try being excellent to each other, but past experience makes it pretty clear that some people won't.

[bravenak]

116. Yeah, I know.

It just sucks for me cause haven't chosen my candidate yet.

[hfojvt]

119. choosing a candidate is sort of a funny process

I remember the primary of 2010 here in Kansas. One guy started running about six months before all the others, and I kinda latched on to him and stuck with him. At one point though I thought it was kinda odd, because I didn't really look at positions and find the candidate most in agreement with my own. I just stuck with my guy. I sorta wondered, am I doing that right?

Of course, there were no discussion threads anywhere with supporters from other candidates attacking my guy and/or promoting their own.

I wish we didn't have to be so fixated on the Presidency and that we would goto our state forums and put some energy into retaking the House and Senate and some Governorships.

I don't do that myself though. My own state forum is like a dead zone and so is Missouri's.

[leftofcool]

84. Do you speak for ALL Bernie supporters or just the ones on DU?

The people I know outside of DU who support Senator Sanders all say they will vote for Hillary in a heartbeat if she is the nominee. Those I know who support Hillary outside of DU will also support Bernie. I live in one of the reddest counties in Kentucky and I know Republican women and men who are voting for Hillary if she is the nominee. They are not smug or nasty, not one of them.

[bravenak]

98. I haven't chosen a candidate.

But bernie is closest to me politically of the two running so far. I speak only for me, really. But I am not a strange person, I consider myself mainstream, if a bit further left of the established party. I'm in Alaska, quite a red state, and I know NO republican willing to vote for Hillary. Not a one. And we have moved a bit more to the middle since the election. Most of the Dems here plan on voting Dem, a few I spoke to plan on green if HRC is the candidate, and a few plan on Bernie. I don't ask about what they would do if their candidate lost the primary. I'm giving it time cause the primary is a ways off and front runners seem to find ways to lose campaigns during primary time. I'd hate to be in the first wave of frontrunners if I were running.

[Trajan]

28. thanks ...

Well spoken ..

[brooklynite]

85. Reasons to vote FOR Hillary have been offered constantly...

Pro-Choice
Pro-Gay Rights
Pro-ACA
Pro-progressive taxation (voted against Bush Tax Cuts)
Pro-immigration reform
Pro-criminal justice reform

Broadly popular and able to win a national election

[Scootaloo]

87. Is Sanders anti-any of those?

[brooklynite]

89. It's that last one that's critical

I have no objection to any of Bernie's positions; but they're worthless if he loses and I don't see a way that he wins.

[Scootaloo]

91. That last one is also wholly subjective and arbitrary

[PowerToThePeople]

118. good post

[NYC_SKP]

3. OFFS

Take your recommendations elsewhere.

Hillary does not represent us, she represents banks and energy companies and multinational corporations.

She's going to lose and on the off chance that she wins the nomination, she'll lose the general.

Her support on this board is abysmal, garnering less than 10% of votes of support out of ~800 respondents to the poll.

If here support in the party is high, it's because of name recognition and fear of losing to the GOP, and her big bankroll.

name recognition. fear. money.

You can have that, my great and dear friend, but the rest of us will not stand for it.

See you around.

Also, I'll be in town next week at the Ferry Building for two days, staying nearby (pet friendly place right on the Embarcadero), if you want to hook up!

[JaneyVee]

6. LOL. Disclaimer: that was an internet poll.

In real life she is beating every Dem and GOP candidate by large margins.

[Dawgs]

8. LOL! DU isn't real life.

[NYC_SKP]

10. Are those numbers rising or falling? nt

[JaneyVee]

20. From astronomical to impressive.

[CreekDog]

17. Please stop asking me to meet up or hook up

[NYC_SKP]

23. Sorry, let's stick to PMs, then.

thats better anyway.

[CreekDog]

25. Don't ask me there either

And don't imply that we have such conversations.

[B2G]

27. Damn. I was just in San Fran last month.

I missed a golden opportunity. I would have loved to meet you and Creek over a glass of wine!!

Creek is obsessed with me you know...

[NYC_SKP]

31. I go there a lot, last there on the 9th for a Giants game.

Free pass, sponsors' suite, work-related.

Good food and beverages in the suites.

I'm not even a big fan of baseball but I got a Hunter Pence bobblehead for a friend that asked if I could use connections to get her one.

I said nah, can't help her. It made her day when she opened it arrived at her classroom last Wednesday.

She's an awesome teacher.

Anyway, yeah, let me know next time you're coming to town.

Can't say that CD will want to join us but that's OK, one of these days!

I love meetups!

[B2G]

37. I get out there a couple time a year now

We lived in San Jose for 6 years after I graduated from college...I absolutely fell in love with the Bay Area.

Will be sure to let you know next time I'm there. We always stay in the downtown area and would love to meet you!

[CreekDog]

48. You lived in the Bay Area for 6 years and refer to SF as "San Fran"?

seems legit.

[B2G]

49. The wiley Creekdog crouches in the reeds

stalking the unsuspecting B2G as she cautiously approaches the riverbank...

[NYC_SKP]

67. We all know it's "Frisco", right?

In my experience, San Fran is more common than it used to be.

The most common term having been "the City", but the current generation is more mobile, going to the city could just as well mean NY or even the city of San Jose.

San Fran is just fine CreekDog, let's not get pissy.

(remembering now why I sold everything to move to NYC after my job in San Fran)

Anyhow, the invite is always open, I'm usually downtown at or near the Hyatt, but sometimes CalAcad, the Sunset, or the Presidio.

Hell, we've probably walked by one another!

[B2G]

68. Well in my defense, I didn't live in 'the City'

Lol. I was in Cupertino, a suburb of San Jose. God, it was expense back then. Lived in the cheapest apartment we could find...The Fountains on Stevens Creek Blvd. Not sure if it's even still there. That was like 30 years ago.

But I loved the area...Carmel, Monterey, Napa...what a great place for 2 young kids to live. We moved the year after the Loma Prieta quake. We had a new baby, wanted to buy a house and we were both from the Midwest with 2 sets of disgruntled grandparents. Lol.

But we loved our time out there. Every time I go back it brings such good memories.

[NYC_SKP]

69. I'll send a PM in a bit, but I know your area, I've lived in Sunnyvale, El Camino near Mathilda.

The prices are crazy!!! Rents in the thousands and any ordinary home is a million and up.

[B2G]

70. It was nuts.

We were in Cupertino, right in the heart of Silicon Valley. We rented the cheapest place we could find...$900 for a 2 bedroom and that was about 30 years ago.

That's why we ultimately moved. We were both from the Midwest and no way were we paying 350K for a 2 bedroom house on a postage stamp.

That and the earthquake. We were like 30 miles from the epicenter and we moved the next year.

[CreekDog]

71. I don't really care what you call it

But people who have been here that long don't usually refer to San Francisco as "San Fran". Not sure why that is, but it just is. And that's a Bay Area thing, not just for people from San Francisco itself (only a small part of the Bay Area, actually).

[NYC_SKP]

72. Thanks, Creek Dog.

We both lived there, don't need the information.

Thanks anyway. I worked on Jackson at Sansome, the building is still there, survivor of the '06 quake.

As you know, I still come to town on business, rarely for pleasure, it's not as fun as it used to be, for me.

[CreekDog]

38. Not really a wine drinker

if forced into such a situation, I would ask for General Anesthesia.

[NYC_SKP]

41. LOL!!!

Best post I've read all week, or longer.



Can we get a DUzy?

[B2G]

42. I'll spring for a morphine drip

Ah... the poses and picture opportunities would be limitless.

[demmiblue]

52. I don't know/care what the issues are between you, but that is really fucking creepy. n/t

[B2G]

55. Lol. CD was the one who brought general anesthesia into the mix

I was fine with a good glass of cab.

[demmiblue]

57. Hypothetically knocking yourself out vs. joking about drugging and violating...

another person's passed out body...

[B2G]

58. So alert

I have nothing more to say to say on this thread anyway.

I could provide CD with ample proof of my time in San Jose, but given the history, I'd probably end up with my identity stolen and 50K in credit card debt.

[demmiblue]

59. No. And I don't care where you did or did not live... your response was creepily creeptastic.

[LanternWaste]

36. I've never had a creepy little fella follow me around

I've never had a creepy little peevish fella follow me around. I'm guessing it rises to the level of bug-splatter on your windshield, but I'd be damned irritated by its wearisome monotony.

[CreekDog]

40. My favorites are the ones that follow me around to accuse me of stalking them

Never quite figured out the logic of that one.

[B2G]

43. You're just misunderstood is all.

I'm sure you're a phenomenal person in real life.

I'm just sure of it.

[CreekDog]

46. You're not even a Bernie Sanders supporter

not with positions like this which are more in line with Rand or Ron than Bernie or Hillary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4223657

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023791179

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022671734

I'm not a phenomenal person, but at least I don't believe the above.

[kenfrequed]

53. I may not agree with your thread...

But hell yes! those posts are very suspicious!

[demmiblue]

54. +1

[B2G]

56. So alert Skinner and be done with it.

I don't know what you all are waiting for.

[CreekDog]

60. I understand. We may not agree, but at least I'm not playing you.

[NYC_SKP]

64. You're ADORABLE, CreekDog! Damn, no wonder I just love you, I love when you post something.

Now come on, come over here...

It's great to have you back in the host group and I really missed you while you were serving on MIRT.

BTW, thank you for your service!

[workinclasszero]

107. Her support on this board is abysmal..

Oh my

This board in no way represents the vast majority of democratic voters who are determined to see this party hold on to the white house in 2016 and also elect the first and only female president in history!

I like posting on DU but if u think the tiny numbers of Bernie fans here carries over to the rest of this country, well , you are just being willfully blind to the facts.

Just like the delusional Rmoney republicans who insisted that every poll that showed him losing big was skewed and must be un-skewed!

See you all in the primary

[whatchamacallit]

5. Successful where?

On DU or in general? What a strange conflation...

[MineralMan]

12. She is, which is why Senator Sanders has a long, hard pull

ahead of him. I agree with you that attacking Hillary Clinton is not how Bernie will defeat her, if that's possible. He knows that, too, and has said as much. His supporters don't seem to be listening to him, which is unsurprising to me, frankly.

I'm paying close attention to motivations. In many cases, those motivations seem pretty clear.

[kenfrequed]

30. Eh..

There is more than a bit of a signal to noise ratio on this one.

I notice a lot of single-sentence Hillary supporters that hop on a thread long enough to put out a fairly scripted response and then, rather than discussing it, they repeat the same sentence or some variation of it repeatedly.

A lot of them are doing more harm than good and other than 'hippie punching' they seem to be making Bernie supporters angrier and angrier.

[Rex]

18. She is, people love her and want her to be the next POTUS.

A LOT of people. Of the few Dems here where I live, they all cannot wait to vote for HRC.

[rock]

29. I support both and have not yet picked either

The main point I want to make is that I take umbrage with calling either of them names, especially when there is no underlying basis. It's OK to critique them (criticize them with supporting evidence). Feel free to sling all the shit you want at the repiggie candidates - that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[one_voice]

39. +1

or each other. We don't need to call each other names or be nasty.

[rock]

47. As my wife has pointed out

Even if calling x a bad name meant he was a bad person it doesn't mean that y isn't worse. And when I suggest that her candidates get names and give up letters, she doesn't laugh.

[Kingofalldems]

50. I like both but the over-the-top Hillary hating

makes me smell republicans in our midst.

They are the masters of dirty tricks.

[hrmjustin]

51. +1

[madfloridian]

65. Works both ways.

The "party" will not ever give Bernie Sanders his due, none of us expect that.

I think there are so many young people on board with him that time will tell.

I think the call not to mock or disrespect most definitely works both ways.

Bernie's support will likely fly under the political radar, the pollsters will be puzzled how to poll...it should be interesting.

[leveymg]

76. She has extraordinarily strong negatives among progressives who pay attention to issues.

No campaign or Party can afford to simply ignore its own critics among the activist base.

Discord should remain civil and tolerance of difference is a necessary virtue.

[daleanime]

78. Shoot, always try for respectful anyways.....

but it definitely a case where it's better to walk the walk then talk the talk.

And I'm still waiting to meet this person, democrat or independent, who is excited about Hillary's campaign. I don't doubt that they exist, but the only place I meet any is here. Now people interested in Bernie, that I get all the time.

[JoePhilly]

80. Some here think attacking Hillary supporters will cause them to switch to Bernie ...

... in the primary.

People who like Hillary will only switch to Bernie if they come to believe that he would also crush any GOP opponent in the general.

Tearing down Hillary and her supporters does nothing to make that happen.

But this is DU, where political strategy is often lacking.

[Capt. Obvious]

81. "But this is DU, where political strategy is often lacking."

A little self awareness is a good thing.

[Thinkingabout]

82. Good point.

[Scootaloo]

88. Please don't tell us to "know our place," CreekDog.

I watched Clinton supporters insist anyone who was holding out for another candidate was a "ratfucking right-wing troll who wants Rand paul to win." I watched Clinton supporters howl and call people who wanted Warren to run "rapists." I watch you guys now claiming that sanders is unelectable because he's Jewish, or because he's six years older than Clinton, or as you do, because his supporters support him over Clinton.

You and yours have no room to tell others how to behave, what to say, or what's best for them. So please don't try.

[CreekDog]

94. i didn't tell you to "know your place"

i simply said you're outnumbered and suggested that alienating Clinton supporters was not going to make Bernie successful.

if you think alienating Clinton supporters is going to help Bernie win, then where exactly do you expect him to get enough votes to win the Democratic primary from?

if Bernie is going to be nominated, it's going to be with people who are supporting her now, it's going to be with the support of most of them.

how do you propose to get those votes? by telling them how meaningless they are and how bad their judgement is?



let me know how that works out for you.

[workinclasszero]

92. The only place Bernie is popular is right here

on DU.

Even on other democratic websites I notice not a whole lot about him.

In the real world, nobody knows who he is at all.

I was neutral on him at first but his rabid fans on this site alone have turned me off of Bernie forever.

I don't like republican talking points, hate radio screeds/conspiracy theories, BS teabagger books being thrown in my face constantly on DU, not to mention the outright bald faced lies the Bernie fans thrive in.

[LWolf]

93. When I was in middle school,

some people were more popular than others, too. It could be painful if you weren't a follower of the popular, and so many did just that.

As an adult, I require more than popularity to earn my vote.

Issues drive my vote. Polls, and "popularity," do not.

Hillary Clinton is strong on women's issues; I appreciate that. She's weak on the rest.

Bernie's strong on women's issues and the rest of the issues that drive my vote. That's why he'll be getting it.

[PowerToThePeople]

100. bs. n/t

[TBF]

101. I would suggest the same in return -

unless you want the left to sit out the election. It goes both ways.

[CreekDog]

102. I am part of the left I have no such plan

what are you talking about?

[TBF]

103. Common courtesy

I have already been attacked by Hillary supporters who have suggested I have no right to say anything about candidates because I happen to reside in a red state. It is mean-spirited and frankly quite stupid to push Hillary as a done deal. Sit back and let folks draw their own conclusions. Trying to shove anyone down their throats is not going to go over well.

[CreekDog]

104. No, it's not officially a done deal but

you have to change the minds of many people who genuinely like and support Hillary.

her supporters have the numbers that Sanders' supporters do not.

so to pretend each candidate's supporters face an equal challenge is ridiculous.

[TBF]

105. Oh it's not an equal challenge -

we all know Bernie is a long-shot. I don't think we should be demeaned because of that. If Bernie has no chance then why are Hillary supporters so eager to beat us into submission?

Personally I'm not looking to change the mind of someone who is already an actual supporter of Hillary. I want the undecideds who consider themselves moderate or haven't voted because they are too damned busy either looking for a job or running back & forth between 2 or 3 part-time jobs. I want those folks to give it a shot and vote for Bernie.

[TheKentuckian]

108. Ignoring? What else is new? Good luck on the "attracting moderate Republicans" windmill tilt.

Keep listening to the Wrong Way Feldman Gang of greedheads, warmongers, hacks, and crooks all the way to the deepest depths of Hell.

Keep going to the well of vipers and toadstools. Water has to come up in the bucket sometime, right?

[liberal_at_heart]

112. I have never told someone they must vote for Bernie. I have been told many times I must

vote for Hillary. Those people get put on ignore. I have put many, many people on ignore and my stay here at DU has become a much more pleasant one.

Go Bernie!

[PowerToThePeople]

117. Bernie is the politician, not I.

I will never respect war mongering and right wing Reaganesque economic policies.